The Reliable Mainstream Media vs. The Alternative Scum

[BillsFanNC]

1 hour ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

This is your win? The FBI at that time said it was not a terror attack, Trump at least knew the truck crossed the southern border in the past weeks, the FBI knew the guy had an ISIS flag, which one is worse?

 

"Nobody cares about that."

 

    - Finding, always, when wrong.

[The Frankish Reich]

8 hours ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

This is your win? The FBI at that time said it was not a terror attack, Trump at least knew the truck crossed the southern border in the past weeks, the FBI knew the guy had an ISIS flag, which one is worse?

What is bad is hot takes, which by definition are uninformed takes.

Besides, when we talk about the mainstream media reporting facts: if the FBI spokesman said there was no apparent link to international terrorism, well that's what the mainstream media reported. When they said it was a terrorist attack, that's what the mainstream media reported. When they said that he didn't appear to act alone, that's what they reported. When they said that he did appear to act alone after all, that's what they reported. When they said he was a native born U.S. citizen who had served in the Army, that's what they reported. You seem to desire speculation, so keep that Truth Social feed comin'

[ChiGoose]

On 1/1/2025 at 9:52 PM, Orlando Buffalo said:

 

 

This one is especially for @ChiGoose, because he will tell me this writer is correct in what she wrote when the  research she  did herself tells the opposite story. One group is the primary issue but he would rather defend the criminals than protect the children. 

Hey kids, don’t do drugs. 

[The Frankish Reich]

8 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

Hey kids, don’t do drugs. 

Yes, it certainly seems to be academic dishonesty.

But you know what it isn't? Reporting. Journalism.

It is an op-ed piece. An opinion piece. Newspapers do that. They print reporting, and they print opinions.

As far as I know the alt media is All Opinion, All the Time.

[ChiGoose]

3 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Yes, it certainly seems to be academic dishonesty.

But you know what it isn't? Reporting. Journalism.

It is an op-ed piece. An opinion piece. Newspapers do that. They print reporting, and they print opinions.

As far as I know the alt media is All Opinion, All the Time.

There was a study years ago that showed that Fox News viewers knew less about current events than people who did not consume the news. 
 

I’d love for someone to run a similar study today in our current media environment because it’s clear that the underlying foundation of MAGA is ignorance and emotional reactions. 

[The Frankish Reich]

37 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

There was a study years ago that showed that Fox News viewers knew less about current events than people who did not consume the news. 
 

I’d love for someone to run a similar study today in our current media environment because it’s clear that the underlying foundation of MAGA is ignorance and emotional reactions. 

That's how we get something like Trump ignorantly saying that the New Orleans truck massacre was perpetrated by an immigrant. And then when it becomes obvious he's wrong, he doubles down on it. This admits of the following possibilities:

- Trump is stupid

- Trump is not stupid, but he assumes that his followers are stupid

- Trump and his followers are both stupid

- Trump simply does not care what the truth is, and follows the maxim that if you repeat a lie often enough it will be as if the lie is true

[BillsFanNC]

⬆️ 

 

A flurry of activity from:

 

The "Biden has lost a bit off his fastball" King

 

and

 

Finding "Biden is mentally fit" Qanon

 

Cumulative credibility = 0.0

 

 

 

[Orlando Buffalo]

8 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

There was a study years ago that showed that Fox News viewers knew less about current events than people who did not consume the news. 
 

I’d love for someone to run a similar study today in our current media environment because it’s clear that the underlying foundation of MAGA is ignorance and emotional reactions. 

Look up the study, it is easy to find, and you will see the questions for yourself, and see how many you can answer yourself. Few of them mattered even then and the gap is not large between Republicans and Democrats. This study was built to get to an answer just like that last poll in Iowa was built to give Kamala a lead. 

8 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Yes, it certainly seems to be academic dishonesty.

But you know what it isn't? Reporting. Journalism.

It is an op-ed piece. An opinion piece. Newspapers do that. They print reporting, and they print opinions.

As far as I know the alt media is All Opinion, All the Time.

So op eds should print complete lies?  Just like the 50 agents in regards to Hunters laptop? This is not an opinion it is a lie.

[ChiGoose]

Me: Much of the MAGA movement is built on ignorance

 

Guy who can’t tell the difference between “equals” and “does not equal”: Ann Selzer intentionally tanked her career for a fake poll because… reasons. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

7 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

That's how we get something like Trump ignorantly saying that the New Orleans truck massacre was perpetrated by an immigrant. And then when it becomes obvious he's wrong, he doubles down on it. This admits of the following possibilities:

- Trump is stupid

- Trump is not stupid, but he assumes that his followers are stupid

- Trump and his followers are both stupid

- Trump simply does not care what the truth is, and follows the maxim that if you repeat a lie often enough it will be as if the lie is true

One of the reasons I didn’t want Trump to run again was his propensity to get out in front of this sort of thing.  My personal preference is to let the process play out through law enforcement channels, though we likely all agree that politics certainly can factor into these stories from time to time. 
 

However, in the calm light of day, I’m no more fond of strategic, organized misinformation than the knee jerk Twitter style.  The people drawn in by that sort of thing strike me as no less gullible and no less manipulated.  See, for example, Biden’s cognitive state and the massive amount of people who couldn’t see it.  Or, the notion of slippage, no reasonable prosecutor, etc. 

 

 

[The Frankish Reich]

Commonality: Perhaps Trump shouldn't be focused on the lie that the recent terrorist attacks have something to do with immigration (they don't). Perhaps he - and the rest of us - should be asking about what's going on with the military that would inspire two middle-aged career military men to turn against their country. Is it a mental health issue? Something about the nature of the men we recruit and retain? As Trump said in 2016 with his proposed Muslim ban: we should find out "what the hell is going on."

[Orlando Buffalo]

57 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

Me: Much of the MAGA movement is built on ignorance

 

Guy who can’t tell the difference between “equals” and “does not equal”: Ann Selzer intentionally tanked her career for a fake poll because… reasons. 

Ann Seltzer was retiring, so she either had her first terrible poll or she intentionally made it work the way she wanted it to end up. It is amazing that your entire argument is now based on my not immediately recognizing  a symbol I have not seen in 25 years since my computer programming class in college. 

[Doc]

9 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

That's how we get something like Trump ignorantly saying that the New Orleans truck massacre was perpetrated by an immigrant. And then when it becomes obvious he's wrong, he doubles down on it. This admits of the following possibilities:

- Trump is stupid

- Trump is not stupid, but he assumes that his followers are stupid

- Trump and his followers are both stupid

- Trump simply does not care what the truth is, and follows the maxim that if you repeat a lie often enough it will be as if the lie is true

 

Jumping on and repeating initial reports that support talking points is nothing unique to Trump/one party.  

Edited Friday at 02:31 PM by Doc

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

1 hour ago, ChiGoose said:

Me: Much of the MAGA movement is built on ignorance

 

Guy who can’t tell the difference between “equals” and “does not equal”: Ann Selzer intentionally tanked her career for a fake poll because… reasons. 

Rich coming from the guy who can't seem to decipher the difference between legal and illegal immigrants.

[Biden is Mentally Fit]

10 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

As far as I know the alt media is All Opinion, All the Time.

Then you aren’t very discerning. Surprising for someone who is an expert on everything. 
 

Maybe you aren’t actually an expert and more a person that can never admit being wrong. Think “he’s mentally fit”. 

[Biden is Mentally Fit]

https://claremontreviewofbooks.com/all-the-presidents-mental-lapses/
 

Imagine someone whose only source of news about Joe Biden between 2020 and 2024 was The Daily Wire or The Washington Free Beacon, and someone else in the same period whose only source was CNN or The Washington Post. Which news consumer would have been better informed about the realities of Biden’s cognitive decline? Which one would have been less surprised that the Biden who showed up at the June 27 debate appeared, in the language of the Post’s November 8 editorial, “dazed, confused, tired and inaudible”? The answer should give many people pause.

[Motorin']

2 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

Me: Much of the MAGA movement is built on ignorance

 

Guy who can’t tell the difference between “equals” and “does not equal”: Ann Selzer intentionally tanked her career for a fake poll because… reasons. 

 

Because she was hoping that it would give the Harris campaign the momentum it sorely need to win? 

 

*Loading cognitive dissidence - "my side" never lies, cheats to steals. The other side only lies, cheats and steals.

 

 

 

[Doc]

11 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

Because she was hoping that it would give the Harris campaign the momentum it sorely need to win? 

 

*Loading cognitive dissidence - "my side" never lies, cheats to steals. The other side only lies, cheats and steals.

 

They (the polls) all were.  Meanwhile Harris' (and Biden's) internal polling was accurate and that she never stood a chance.

[BillsFanNC]

23 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

Because she was hoping that it would give the Harris campaign the momentum it sorely need to win? 

 

*Loading cognitive dissidence - "my side" never lies, cheats to steals. The other side only lies, cheats and steals.

 

 

 

 

Oh the King doesn't have a side. It'll tell you itself. Former Republican!

 

[ChiGoose]

3 hours ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

Ann Seltzer was retiring, so she either had her first terrible poll or she intentionally made it work the way she wanted it to end up. It is amazing that your entire argument is now based on my not immediately recognizing  a symbol I have not seen in 25 years since my computer programming class in college. 

 

Selzer famously never herds her polls. She puts the work out there and she's right more often than wrong (she has had misses before). But because people don't understand polling/statistics and because (as you continually like to demonstrate) the MAGA population seems especially ignorant on how things work, they come up with conspiracies that don't make sense if given even the smallest amount of scrutiny.

 

Let's say Selzer intentionally fudged her poll to boost Harris numbers. Why? What would that accomplish? A good media cycle? In an environment where all of the polls were showing the race basically even, the Selzer poll stood as a clear outlier. Remember that at the time, the Harris campaign was running on a theme of being the underdog. They did not want their voters to get complacent (which seems like a pretty accurate concern considering how things ended up). A popular poll showing numbers that would indicate a Harris landslide would go *against* the campaign's messaging at the time.

 

Imagine you have a classroom of 20 students, you give each of them a coin and tell them to flip it 100 times and mark down how many times it came up heads. 19 of the 20 students reported that it landed heads 50 times while one of them reported heads 57 times. Who do you think was being honest vs who do you think was fudging the numbers?