BeastMode54 Posted April 24 Posted April 24 So there seems to be a lot of smoke regarding Worthy. I'm not totally opposed to it, but have flashbacks of Goodwin and/or Graham. My question is, if Worthy ran a 4.4 40 and not the fastest ever, would he still be regarded as a 1st round wr? 2
section122 Posted April 24 Posted April 24 A thought I can't shake: How many wrs currently in the nfl would you trade 2 1st round picks for? It isn't many. I get the idea of the player being cost controlled but I still have a hard time seeing it being worth it especially since it likely will cost additional picks. 2 1 2
papazoid Posted April 24 Posted April 24 (edited) 7 minutes ago, BeastMode54 said: So there seems to be a lot of smoke regarding Worthy. I'm not totally opposed to it, but have flashbacks of Goodwin and/or Graham. My question is, if Worthy ran a 4.4 40 and not the fastest ever, would he still be regarded as a 1st round wr? if tyreek hill ran 4.4 instead of 4.29 would he still be called cheetah ? but to answer your question..... without that 4.21 speed ...worthy would NOT be regarded as a 1st round wr. speed kills.....but lots of fast guys never make it in the nfl. Edited April 24 by papazoid
Andy1 Posted April 24 Posted April 24 Get me a WR who can perform at his best in playoff conditions in Buffalo. I’m not sure if Worthy is that guy. Pure speed doesn’t work on the snow. 2
aristocrat Posted April 24 Posted April 24 2 hours ago, njbuff said: We all know the team likes Troy Franklin a lot. I think the best case scenario is for the Bills to trade back into the 2nd round (if possible) and double dip. After all, they still need 2 WR's. And I'm going with Troy Franklin and Roman Wilson in round 2. Use the rest of the draft to build up some depth. At least this is what I would do. But I have no experience at drafting, so my plan sucks. 🤣🤣 we can't go into the year with two rookies outside. get up and go for btj and then get a vet like maybe dj chark. chark doesn't have to be a legit 2 but more of a guy to take pressure off kincaid and samuel
Kirby Jackson Posted April 24 Posted April 24 (edited) 17 minutes ago, section122 said: A thought I can't shake: How many wrs currently in the nfl would you trade 2 1st round picks for? It isn't many. I get the idea of the player being cost controlled but I still have a hard time seeing it being worth it especially since it likely will cost additional picks. I think that the cost controlled IS the reason that a 2nd number 1 comes into play. The top WRs now account for like 12% of the cap (by the time Aiyuk, Higgins & Jefferson sign). It’s the 2nd most important position on the team (or at least right there with pass rusher). Top QBs, which we have, account for like 20% of the cap. It simply isn’t very easy to have both. You spend the draft capital on WR to free up cap space to spend on other areas. As an example, you could use 2 firsts and 2 seconds to move up for a number 1 WR. I’m not saying that you do or don’t do this. This is a hypothetical to illustrate my point. By using that capital to get the number 1 WR you save the $30M annually that it would cost to sign someone like that. You can then spend $8M on S, $12M on a pass rusher, $4M on a CB, $4M on a RB & $2M on a DT. So while you do not have as many picks to get those positions you can buy them instead. You’ll need to have cost controlled assets somewhere and in this example it is at WR. The point being that there are multiple ways to build a roster and decisions can’t be made in a vacuum because they are all intertwined. So while the cost to go way up, limits the high end swings you can take over the next few drafts, it also frees the balance sheet to be more aggressive in FA. Now obviously, if you can find elite talent without having to go up that’s even better. There’s a reason though that some prospects are universally ranked above others. If you go up you’re paying for that prospect’s ceiling and floor. Edited April 24 by Kirby Jackson 2 5
NewEra Posted April 24 Posted April 24 13 minutes ago, BeastMode54 said: So there seems to be a lot of smoke regarding Worthy. I'm not totally opposed to it, but have flashbacks of Goodwin and/or Graham. My question is, if Worthy ran a 4.4 40 and not the fastest ever, would he still be regarded as a 1st round wr? If Tyreek ran a 4.4 would he still be a 30M man? I do get your point, but the speed is why he is who he is. 5 minutes ago, aristocrat said: we can't go into the year with two rookies outside. get up and go for btj and then get a vet like maybe dj chark. chark doesn't have to be a legit 2 but more of a guy to take pressure off kincaid and samuel BTj AND Chark? I think you’re dreaming. I don’t see any chance of Shakir starting the season as WR4. He’ll be a top 3 guy for sure. We need one outside WR. We have another in backup Hollins and 2 others (samuel and Shakir) that can play outside on occasion.
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted April 24 Posted April 24 Yeah I'm not trading up for Worthy. He's not worthy Pun aside, I can come to terms with nearly any WR taken at 28 but I am only trading up for the big three, BTJ, maybe Franklin or Adonai Mitchell 3
longtimebillsfan Posted April 24 Posted April 24 Why is this draft different than 2014? When we moved up then, the hindsight conventional wisdom was that we could have drafted just as talented receiver in the 2nd round? Now many think a move up is a good thing. No one knows which receivers will excel at the next level. 1 2
Dr. Who Posted April 24 Posted April 24 1 hour ago, Pete said: We only have one WR who has caught passes from Josh. We have a big friggin hole at WR 1, and two big holes in top 5 WR. Beane is going to fill them, and upgrade 14 and Gabe Folks who still want defense ahead of WR in this year with the draft set up to fill those holes, and obvious need, are either always going to think Josh Allen should elevate mid-level talent or they are Sean McD.
MikePJ76 Posted April 24 Posted April 24 26 minutes ago, aristocrat said: we can't go into the year with two rookies outside. get up and go for btj and then get a vet like maybe dj chark. chark doesn't have to be a legit 2 but more of a guy to take pressure off kincaid and samuel michael gallup is the perfect 1 year replacement for gabe davis. Similiar players. Gallup has better hands and davis has better speed. he could help bridge the gap to another young wr next year. Get one this year and one next year.
Dr. Who Posted April 24 Posted April 24 6 minutes ago, longtimebillsfan said: Why is this draft different than 2014? When we moved up then, the hindsight conventional wisdom was that we could have drafted just as talented receiver in the 2nd round? Now many think a move up is a good thing. No one knows which receivers will excel at the next level. That is very lazy thinking. I suppose you could say that without taking into consideration the particulars of any draft. No one knows, so why trade up? But that isn't strictly true. There are tiers, and there are players with greater chances of success than others. Of course, there's always risk. You can't eliminate that in life, so you can't eliminate it from the draft. Certainly, folks who reactively think Sammy Watkins is somehow the basis of a draft law of gravity that means you should never trade up for a WR are not prudential enough. Practical wisdom is taking into consideration the precise nature of particular situations, and choosing what is best. That doesn't mean moving up for a top 3 WR is correct. The cost might be too much, but it might also be worth the risk, depending . . . so one hopes Beane makes the right calculation. 1 1 1
OldTimer1960 Posted April 24 Posted April 24 35 minutes ago, BeastMode54 said: So there seems to be a lot of smoke regarding Worthy. I'm not totally opposed to it, but have flashbacks of Goodwin and/or Graham. My question is, if Worthy ran a 4.4 40 and not the fastest ever, would he still be regarded as a 1st round wr? I think Worthy’s floor is as a dangerous deep threat and someone who you can scheme touches for. I don’t know that he is ever going to be a high volume receiver. His ceiling is moderately high constrained mostly by his size and durability concerns. At one time I was against Worthy in the first, but I think he is as good as the other receivers likely to be there around 28. 1
aristocrat Posted April 24 Posted April 24 37 minutes ago, NewEra said: If Tyreek ran a 4.4 would he still be a 30M man? I do get your point, but the speed is why he is who he is. BTj AND Chark? I think you’re dreaming. I don’t see any chance of Shakir starting the season as WR4. He’ll be a top 3 guy for sure. We need one outside WR. We have another in backup Hollins and 2 others (samuel and Shakir) that can play outside on occasion. a guy can dream can’t he? Shakir will get plenty of snaps with injuries 1
wppete Posted April 24 Posted April 24 10 hours ago, bills6969 said: MHJ or bust I get Sammy Watkins vibes from MHJ. Id rather have Nabers.
Peace Frog Posted April 24 Posted April 24 The latest rumor I heard from deep in the organization is that the Bills are looking to draft some potential starters at key positions. Take it for what it's worth. 1
longtimebillsfan Posted April 24 Posted April 24 16 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: That is very lazy thinking. I suppose you could say that without taking into consideration the particulars of any draft. No one knows, so why trade up? But that isn't strictly true. There are tiers, and there are players with greater chances of success than others. Of course, there's always risk. You can't eliminate that in life, so you can't eliminate it from the draft. Certainly, folks who reactively think Sammy Watkins is somehow the basis of a draft law of gravity that means you should never trade up for a WR are not prudential enough. Practical wisdom is taking into consideration the precise nature of particular situations, and choosing what is best. That doesn't mean moving up for a top 3 WR is correct. The cost might be too much, but it might also be worth the risk, depending . . . so one hopes Beane makes the right calculation. I disagree it is lazy thinking, but you are entitled to yout opinion. For years, many posters here have lamented that the Bills should not have wasted draft capitol to move up when that draft was do deep at wr. That sounds very similar to this draft. "Those that don't remember history are doomed to repeat it" Fans get so pumped up about certain players because these self appointed "draft experts" hype them in their mock drafts. The Bills have too many needs to burn draft picks on an unnecessary move up. There was another thread started recently that made the point that regardless of which wr the Bills pick in the draft, they would still need a #1 wr. The op made a valid point in that thread. This is just my opinion for what it's worth. 1
Recommended Posts