NastyNateSoldiers Posted April 24 Posted April 24 6 hours ago, JBI$111 said: Hopefully the Bill's don't give up too much, they usually get fleeced and give away more than the trade value would suggest when they make moves up or generally make a trade. Other teams know they're desperate to trade up for a wide receiver, it's a huge glaring need and of course they'll take advantage of it. The Bill's are not in a good position to negotiate fair value if they want to trade up that bad and other teams know it. Maybe trade up a little bit and get Worthy and then trade for Metcalf or get another large receiver later on after they get Worthy. Can't let Miami get Worthy or Kansas City. Worthy is as light as a feather I like him but won't trade up for him. I much rather stay put and take the freight train that's Xaxier Leggette 220lbs at 4.37 is serious explosiveness. Leggette was also the fastest tracked player by mileage last yr as he was tracked at over 22 miles per hour. The combo of speed and strength the blocking abilities the after the catch abilities I don't care if he's 23yrs old the man can be a monster in this game. He reminds me of a faster Eric Moulds and like Moulds coming out wasn't the best route runner coming out of college but he can learn that easily because he has the movement skills. 1
njbuff Posted April 24 Posted April 24 We all know the team likes Troy Franklin a lot. I think the best case scenario is for the Bills to trade back into the 2nd round (if possible) and double dip. After all, they still need 2 WR's. And I'm going with Troy Franklin and Roman Wilson in round 2. Use the rest of the draft to build up some depth. At least this is what I would do. But I have no experience at drafting, so my plan sucks. 🤣🤣 1 2
DJB Posted April 24 Posted April 24 4 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Its worse...hes actually 2 inches taller at 6'1" and 165 pounds. He is literally a stick figure thats not gonna be able to get off the line in bad weather games. Worthy was listed at 5’11 at the combine 1
SectionC3 Posted April 24 Posted April 24 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: I agree with most of this though I'm not sure I buy that the Vikings are going to suck quite that bad. That pick is more likely 40-45 than 35-40 I reckon. 35 would mean they have the third worst record in the league I just don't see that. They still have a very good oline, two excellent receivers, a good tight end.... okay QB is a complete unknown but I'd be surprised if they were total suckitude with their talent. I agree with all of this. I just wonder if maybe one of those receivers goes to provide extra capital to get where they want to be. PFT suggested using Jefferson to get to #2 last night. I'll make it in a roundabout way - perhaps they use Jefferson to get draft capital to use to flip to get to 2 or 3. Or maybe Addison tickles the fancy of someone to move up. Or maybe it's Addison that gets moved to acquire the extra draft capital. Could 11, 23 and (for argument's sake) 28 get them where they want to be? I don't see how that doesn't get them to at least #3. 1
GreggTX Posted April 24 Posted April 24 Just Beane doing due diligence. He needs to begin exploring options now. Day 1 of the draft is too late to start. He might make a deal before the draft if a great deal comes along. 1 1
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted April 24 Posted April 24 In the immortal words from the IT Crowd: "There were rumors, that there was a rumor but it was just bullsh*t" I believe nothing leaked to the press for the next five days until it's official. But maaaaaaan I want this to be true. It's probably going to hurt but I'll take it.
CaptnCoke11 Posted April 24 Posted April 24 Worthy is more and more intriguing as the draft gets closer.
Pete Posted April 24 Posted April 24 We only have one WR who has caught passes from Josh. We have a big friggin hole at WR 1, and two big holes in top 5 WR. Beane is going to fill them, and upgrade 14 and Gabe 1
SoonerBillsFan Posted April 24 Posted April 24 Dealing from a position of weakness is going to cost a ton. 2
NewEra Posted April 24 Posted April 24 8 hours ago, HardyBoy said: To be fair I do think it was injuries largely with Watkins... which is a huge risk in the nfl obviously. He also turned out to have some pretty let's just say interesting ideas on things iirc... kinda wonder if he brought any of that into his injury rehab? It wasn’t just injuries. Dude had issues 3
BuffaloBillyG Posted April 24 Posted April 24 8 hours ago, Logic said: I know this is already in the "NFL draft rumors" thread, but given that it involves the team this forum is based on, and involves the position we all know they desperately need, and given that it's based on the reporting of at least one credible source....surely it deserves its own thread, no? I can't be the only one who doesn't regularly check the draft rumors thread. If it gets merged, so be it. In the end I expect this to be much commotion about nothing. I'm certain Beane has called pretty much everyone about what a package to move up would look like. Gathering information. He does this every year to my knowledge. So do most GMs. My best guess is in the long run this is a nothing burger. Lots of people spinning their wheels this week are building some pretty high expectations that will set themselves up for a disappointment come Thursday Night IMO. 2
GunnerBill Posted April 24 Posted April 24 1 hour ago, SectionC3 said: I agree with all of this. I just wonder if maybe one of those receivers goes to provide extra capital to get where they want to be. PFT suggested using Jefferson to get to #2 last night. I'll make it in a roundabout way - perhaps they use Jefferson to get draft capital to use to flip to get to 2 or 3. Or maybe Addison tickles the fancy of someone to move up. Or maybe it's Addison that gets moved to acquire the extra draft capital. Could 11, 23 and (for argument's sake) 28 get them where they want to be? I don't see how that doesn't get them to at least #3. The problem getting into the top 3 is those 3 teams all want Quarterbacks. Both Washington and New England have taken calls and politely declined from what I hear. Maybe if the wrong one is left at #3 New England's stance on that changes on draft night. They might only like 1 guy but while there is a chance he is there they don't want to move. But realistically I think #4 is where Minnesota will end up getting. That wouldn't need a receiver thrown in and I think they'd be loathed to do it. If they end up needing to help out a rookie having Jefferson and Addison to use is no bad start.
That's No Moon Posted April 24 Posted April 24 2 hours ago, NastyNateSoldiers said: Worthy is as light as a feather I like him but won't trade up for him. I much rather stay put and take the freight train that's Xaxier Leggette 220lbs at 4.37 is serious explosiveness. Leggette was also the fastest tracked player by mileage last yr as he was tracked at over 22 miles per hour. The combo of speed and strength the blocking abilities the after the catch abilities I don't care if he's 23yrs old the man can be a monster in this game. He reminds me of a faster Eric Moulds and like Moulds coming out wasn't the best route runner coming out of college but he can learn that easily because he has the movement skills. If he can learn that easily, why has he not learned it. Dude was a 5th year senior.
SectionC3 Posted April 24 Posted April 24 (edited) 7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: The problem getting into the top 3 is those 3 teams all want Quarterbacks. Both Washington and New England have taken calls and politely declined from what I hear. Maybe if the wrong one is left at #3 New England's stance on that changes on draft night. They might only like 1 guy but while there is a chance he is there they don't want to move. But realistically I think #4 is where Minnesota will end up getting. That wouldn't need a receiver thrown in and I think they'd be loathed to do it. If they end up needing to help out a rookie having Jefferson and Addison to use is no bad start. I completely agree with all of this. My guess is that NE likes two of the top three, or one of the latter two thirds of that analysis, and they might be open to the AJ Smith model of loading up the rest of the roster now and plugging in the QB in the next year or two. On the receivers point, I agree with the odds of success favoring a young QB with that pair in place. But, if the Vikings need to generate extra draft capital to make the move, and if they feel strongly enough about the guy they're moving for, flipping one of those guys to get it done isn't an outlandish idea. Jefferson's intermittent friction with Cousins is in the back of my mind on this one. If that guy didn't like Cousins, and he's approaching extension territory, then I wonder how he's going to do with Darnold as a journeyman placeholder, or with Daniels/Maye/McCarthy/whomever trying to figure things out on the fly. EDIT - I'll add this. I'm wrestling with Jefferson's value this morning. Is it a pair of ones? Is it a 1 + 2? Maybe a 1 + a future 2? Or could it be as low as a 1 given what is likely to be an enormous financial commitment? I don't know. From the Bills' perspective, adding a guy with that type of salary is completely contrary to what they appear to be trying to do after getting Diggs out of the locker room. But if I'm Beane . . . it doesn't hurt to check on the price. Edited April 24 by SectionC3
finn Posted April 24 Posted April 24 I don't like trade-ups. Quarterbacks are one thing, but a costly trade for any other position is just gambling. Even if it works out, you have only one player. Trading up for Kincaid, Elam, and Ford meant that the Bills couldn't draft three other players that might have helped, maybe even a lot, given Beane's gift for finding talent late in the draft. 1 1
OldTimer1960 Posted April 24 Posted April 24 9 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: If Beane believes Worthy or BTJ is their guy, I’m fine with giving up 128, another late rounder and a 2025 2nd I would not give up that much for the 165lb Worthy and I guess OK for Thomas Jr, but none of these guys are sure things.
RichRiderBills Posted April 24 Posted April 24 Did anyone see the nice / endearing piece on NFL about Adonai Mitchell and him transferring for his daughter? My first thought: Buffalo is going to be a problem. I'd cross him off our boards. 1
Sweats Posted April 24 Posted April 24 8 hours ago, Turbo44 said: It’s crazy but we could be drafting Thursday anytime from 8:40 to not at all Well, that pretty well covers it.
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