ToGoGo Posted April 25 Posted April 25 2 hours ago, julian said: Mark Howe in the HOF is surprising to me Nowadays it's harder to get Caribbean citizenship than it is to get into the Hockey Hall of Fame. They'll induct half of the 2023 Sabres in 20 years. 4
turbo044 Posted April 25 Posted April 25 22 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: This is my last chance to post this video again. Just a reminder that Troy Franklin DOES IT ALL and got better every year at Oregon. Not sure what people aren't seeing from this guy. I wouldn't mind him in Rd2, I think at 28 he would be overdrafted. Bills do seem to like him though with all the communication, so I'll trust Beane
Chicken Boo Posted April 25 Posted April 25 1 minute ago, julian said: I think his 40 time scared people away, it’s unfortunate for the player but might work out beautifully for a team like the Bills. Ran a 4.41 while sick. Strange fruit, these "experts" are. 1
Shaw66 Posted April 25 Posted April 25 1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said: If Odunze is the target and gets to Bears pick at 9, they could just take him. However, they only have 2 picks in the draft after 9. My offer: 28, 60, 128, 160, 163, 2025 1st if they counter, we’ll keep one of this year’s picks and add one next year There is NO player other than a QB that I would trade all those picks for. None. The 28th, 60th and 2025 1st should be three starters, and 128-160-163 collectively have a good chance of being a fourth starter. There is practically no way that the guy you get at 9 could be more valuable than the combined value of four starters. 3 5 4
Success Posted April 25 Posted April 25 2 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: There is NO player other than a QB that I would trade all those picks for. None. The 28th, 60th and 2025 1st should be three starters, and 128-160-163 collectively have a good chance of being a fourth starter. There is practically no way that the guy you get at 9 could be more valuable than the combined value of four starters. It's easy to agree w/ this. But, when you have a great QB - it's also hard to overstate how impactful a great WR can be, that you can pair w/ that QB for many years ahead. A Montana/Rice kind of situation here in Buffalo would be scary for the league. With Kincaid, Cook & Shakir, and the fairly young line we have, it's almost like we wouldn't have to even worry about personnel on the offensive side of the ball for another few years. I'm good w/ whatever tonight - but it won't bother me if we give up a real ransom for Odunze or Nabers.
Monty98 Posted April 25 Posted April 25 1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said: If Odunze is the target and gets to Bears pick at 9, they could just take him. However, they only have 2 picks in the draft after 9. My offer: 28, 60, 128, 160, 163, 2025 1st if they counter, we’ll keep one of this year’s picks and add one next year Who are you? Mike Ditka? I think you can jump to 9 for less, but it's probably 28, 1st in 25, plus 60
Brandon Posted April 25 Posted April 25 8 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: Ran a 4.41 while sick. Strange fruit, these "experts" are. As if a 4.41 isn't fast. It confirms what he did on the field. He's fast. He runs by people. 2
Shaw66 Posted April 25 Posted April 25 13 minutes ago, julian said: I think his 40 time scared people away, it’s unfortunate for the player but might work out beautifully for a team like the Bills. I don't study the draft, at all. I just watched some of the Troy Franklin video. I know it's highlights and all, but I like his hands catching, and I like how he tracks the ball. If the Bills can get that kind of talent at 28 (or even trading down and still get him), I don't see much reason to trade up more than 3-4 spots for any other receiver. 1 2 1
mannc Posted April 25 Posted April 25 3 hours ago, london_bills said: I always think of Marquise Goodwin when is see Worthy I mean, 11 years later, Goodwin is still in the league…not the worst pick we’ve ever made. 1
TheWeatherMan Posted April 25 Posted April 25 5 minutes ago, Monty98 said: Who are you? Mike Ditka? I think you can jump to 9 for less, but it's probably 28, 1st in 25, plus 60 I’d much prefer 28, 4th and 5th plus 2 x 2015 #2s 1
MrEpsYtown Posted April 25 Posted April 25 39 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: This is my last chance to post this video again. Just a reminder that Troy Franklin DOES IT ALL and got better every year at Oregon. Not sure what people aren't seeing from this guy. He's another guy who, like Keon Coleman, was going higher than Mitchell, Thomas etc before the combine. And after the combine much lower. But typically the early mocks are more true to form. I think he goes tonight and I am good with him. 2
turbo044 Posted April 25 Posted April 25 5 minutes ago, Brandon said: As if a 4.41 isn't fast. It confirms what he did on the field. He's fast. He runs by people. His speed was fine at the combine. His performance in other drills was subpar which hopefully is attributable to the sickness
mannc Posted April 25 Posted April 25 1 minute ago, Shaw66 said: I don't study the draft, at all. I just watched some of the Troy Franklin video. I know it's highlights and all, but I like his hands catching, and I like how he tracks the ball. If the Bills can get that kind of talent at 28 (or even trading down and still get him), I don't see much reason to trade up more than 3-4 spots for any other receiver. I agree. People over-analyze draft prospects and sometimes talk themselves out of great players because they had a bad combine, or whatever. Franklin was a highly productive receiver at the highest level of CFB, and is faster than anyone the Bills have had in a long time….we could do much worse…
Mikey152 Posted April 25 Posted April 25 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Brandon said: As if a 4.41 isn't fast. It confirms what he did on the field. He's fast. He runs by people. Not only that, but It's clear just by looking at his legs that he is lanky...I bet his top speed is top tier. Edit - Only Worthy had a higher on field speed last season. His 10 yard split was 1.61...so a 4.41 is incredible. Edited April 25 by Mikey152
transplantbillsfan Posted April 25 Posted April 25 15 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: There is NO player other than a QB that I would trade all those picks for. None. The 28th, 60th and 2025 1st should be three starters, and 128-160-163 collectively have a good chance of being a fourth starter. There is practically no way that the guy you get at 9 could be more valuable than the combined value of four starters. I'm really tired of this narrative. What I'll say about a WR corps is that I don't believe it's just that it's a sum of all its parts. Buffalo has had so much success in the passing game since 2020 because of Stefon Diggs. Davis, McKenzie, Beasely, & Shakir have all benefitted over the years in their production largely because of his presence. Cincy has had so much success over the last few years because of Jamarr Chase. Higgins & Boyd benefitted from his presence. KC was so successful for years because of 2 HOF pass catching monsters and maybe one of the most talented and unique WRs (even though he's a head case) in NFL history in Hill. Sure... KC won the Super Bowl the last couple years, but their offense very obviously took a massive step backwards. This team runs through Josh Allen, period. Give him the best weapons possible. That might not be an Odunze in a massive trade up. It might be BTJr or Legette or Worthy... but honestly... if this team isn't looking for whoever they believe "their guy" is at WR in round 1, tonight is a massive letdown. Buffalo has 10 picks in this draft and is forecasted to have 9 picks next year. Our roster this year is honestly already at the point where there's absolutely no way 10 or even 9 or 8 draft picks make this team. Trade up! Trade up! Trade up!!!!! 2
Beck Water Posted April 25 Posted April 25 29 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: Ran a 4.41 while sick. Strange fruit, these "experts" are. To be fair, I've heard more than one guy who is plugged in say that these days of GPS, the NFL FOs work far more off GPS data they now have in-game for college prospects vs. the "underwear olympics" at the combine. 1
Beck Water Posted April 25 Posted April 25 27 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: There is NO player other than a QB that I would trade all those picks for. None. The 28th, 60th and 2025 1st should be three starters, and 128-160-163 collectively have a good chance of being a fourth starter. There is practically no way that the guy you get at 9 could be more valuable than the combined value of four starters. @Shaw66 you and I pretty much disagree entirely about the value of a "#1" or "X" or "boundary" receiver [in the sense of a guy who is "that good at football" and can get open on his own with some combination of moves, speed, strength and or size], with you saying there isn't a need, WR are a dime a dozen now a days, and teams don't value them because modern offenses just scheme guys open, and me offering various counter-points and data. But we agree completely on this. Sell the farm to move up for a guy you think can be the QB for the next 10-14 yrs But WR? No, the opportunity cost of losing 3 cost-controlled good players, too high. 1
Monty98 Posted April 25 Posted April 25 22 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said: I’d much prefer 28, 4th and 5th plus 2 x 2015 #2s Who did we draft in 2015...I wish I knew we could trade previous bad picks away! Damnnn aha. 1
Shaw66 Posted April 25 Posted April 25 5 minutes ago, Beck Water said: @Shaw66 you and I pretty much disagree entirely about the value of a "#1" or "X" or "boundary" receiver [in the sense of a guy who is "that good at football" and can get open on his own with some combination of moves, speed, strength and or size], with you saying there isn't a need, WR are a dime a dozen now a days, and teams don't value them because modern offenses just scheme guys open, and me offering various counter-points and data. But we agree completely on this. Sell the farm to move up for a guy you think can be the QB for the next 10-14 yrs But WR? No, the opportunity cost of losing 3 cost-controlled good players, too high. Absolutely. 17 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: I'm really tired of this narrative. What I'll say about a WR corps is that I don't believe it's just that it's a sum of all its parts. Buffalo has had so much success in the passing game since 2020 because of Stefon Diggs. Davis, McKenzie, Beasely, & Shakir have all benefitted over the years in their production largely because of his presence. Cincy has had so much success over the last few years because of Jamarr Chase. Higgins & Boyd benefitted from his presence. KC was so successful for years because of 2 HOF pass catching monsters and maybe one of the most talented and unique WRs (even though he's a head case) in NFL history in Hill. Sure... KC won the Super Bowl the last couple years, but their offense very obviously took a massive step backwards. This team runs through Josh Allen, period. Give him the best weapons possible. That might not be an Odunze in a massive trade up. It might be BTJr or Legette or Worthy... but honestly... if this team isn't looking for whoever they believe "their guy" is at WR in round 1, tonight is a massive letdown. Buffalo has 10 picks in this draft and is forecasted to have 9 picks next year. Our roster this year is honestly already at the point where there's absolutely no way 10 or even 9 or 8 draft picks make this team. Trade up! Trade up! Trade up!!!!! LOL! I love the font! We don't agree. I agree about using some of those 5th and 6th rounders, but that's not getting the Bills up far enough for one of the studs.
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