Rumor: Bills trying aggressively to move up for a WR in round one

[Low Positive]

1 minute ago, london_bills said:

What's buddy nix up to

Drinking bourbon and taking naps on his porch somewhere in rural Alabama?

[Shaw66]

57 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

You've been banging that "WR don't really matter, teams don't need a top 5 WR, receivers are a dime a dozen" drum in several threads now.

 

Counterpoint:  I don't know about "top 5 WR" that seems arbitrary.  But here's some evidence about how the teams you cite think about that "they'll have a guy who's top 5 in the stats but he'll get there by being a scheme fit rather than a great receiver" philosophy.  TL;DR they're voting with their $$ on that.

 

1) Detroit just signed their  #1, 119 reception, 1515 yd wide receiver Amon Ra St Brown to a 4 year, $120M contract with $77M guaranteed.   Why would they do that, if receivers are becoming a dime a dozen and successful teams don't need a top WR, just a "scheme fit"?

2) I don't think Deebo Samuel was signed to a 3 year , $71,550,000 contract with the San Francisco 49ers, including $24,035,000 signing bonus, $58,100,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $23,850,000 because the '49ers thought he was "just a scheme fit" where WR are a "dime a dozen"

And Christian McCaffrey's a unicorn - part receiver, part running back, and 100% perfect for the Niners, but that team didn't trade away the core of their 2023 draft board (2nd, 3rd, 4th plus 2024 5th), but either way, SF didn't give up that much with the right to pay him $14M this season on top of it because they thought Christian McCaffery was a "dime a dozen" as either a receiver or an RB

3) LA Rams signed Kupp to a 3 year, $80M extension in 2022 of which $75M were guaranteed because they view WR as a "dime a dozen" after his 145 reception, 1947 yd season.  They appear to have lucked out with Puka Nacua, but I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that league-wide talent evaluators weren't saying "see, any old WR could succeed in that system" (if that were true, what stopped 2nd round pick Van Jefferson? What stopped 2nd round pick Tutu Atwell?  

 

It's a nice hypothesis but it doesn't seem to stack up against how the teams you mentioned are actually spending their $$.

 

You missed the point.   It's not that some guys aren't valuable.  Those guys you name are extraordinarily valuable.   And they put up nice stats.  They just don't fit the stud receiver mold.   They aren't tall, they aren't big, and they aren't fast.   They have other skills that make that, combined with decent size and speed, makes them valuable.  

 

I've been talking to people here about the fact that the typical stud receiver - the big, tall, fast guys - aren't the kind of guys that teams are looking for now.  Blazing speed is nice, but not necessary.   Size is nice, but not necessary.   There are a lot of guys with measurables like Samuel and St. Brown and Kupp, they're all over the place.  What teams are looking for is guys with with decent size and speed and who are good scheme fits. 

[Augie]

9 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

The Patriots are drafting Bo Callahan 

 

Again??? 

 

I guess they like a “type”. 

 

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Edited April 24 by Augie

[Allen2Moulds]

12 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

BREAKING RUMOR:  I may watch the movie Draft Day again within 24 hours 

Ha!  Right there with you. It's also my go to primer, every draft year.

[BarleyNY]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

TL;DR they're voting with their $$ on that.

This is the evidence I keep coming back to. Some people here are banging the “you don’t need an elite WR” drum pretty hard, but NFL teams are paying them large and that tells the opposite story. 

[Warriorspikes51]

23-28:  Xavier Worthy

33-39: Xavier Legette

 

[MrEpsYtown]

44 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

Just the thought of it makes my television nervous.

I might puke

[BarleyNY]

16 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

BREAKING RUMOR:  I may watch the movie Draft Day again within 24 hours 

That movie is dumb as F. All that unrealistic BS that everyone who seriously follows the draft knows is ridiculous. And the cherry on top is the GM does it all for a RB and an off the ball LB. SMDH. 

[Warriorspikes51]

7-12:  Odunze

60:  Troy Franklin 

[london_bills]

Were taking a RB round one lads 🤣🤣🤣

[Mynamemike]

20 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

The Patriots are drafting Bo Callahan 

None of his teammates went to his birthday party! 

[Warriorspikes51]

Just now, Mynamemike said:

None of his teammates went to his birthday party! 

Just like barely any of Diggs teammates said goodbye 

[TheBeaneBandit]

9 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

23-28:  Xavier Worthy

33-39: Xavier Legette

 

Very accurate imo.

[Augie]

1 minute ago, Mynamemike said:

None of his teammates went to his birthday party! 

 

….as far as he can recall. He’s not proud of it, on multiple levels.  😋

 

But it got him off the hook. 

 

Being in a draft room is probably my greatest sports bucket list item. That would be fascinating to see the real deal. 

[SoonerBillsFan]

14 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

You missed the point.   It's not that some guys aren't valuable.  Those guys you name are extraordinarily valuable.   And they put up nice stats.  They just don't fit the stud receiver mold.   They aren't tall, they aren't big, and they aren't fast.   They have other skills that make that, combined with decent size and speed, makes them valuable.  

 

I've been talking to people here about the fact that the typical stud receiver - the big, tall, fast guys - aren't the kind of guys that teams are looking for now.  Blazing speed is nice, but not necessary.   Size is nice, but not necessary.   There are a lot of guys with measurables like Samuel and St. Brown and Kupp, they're all over the place.  What teams are looking for is guys with with decent size and speed and who are good scheme fits. 

I feel they want an interchangeable WR.  Damn good speed, but more importantly able to separate and catch consistently. When you do that you can't key on a play like defenses have in the past based on personnel.   

 

We would be a team that could have Shakir, Samuel or Rookie, in any of the possessions at any given time.

3 minutes ago, Mynamemike said:

None of his teammates went to his birthday party! 

Damn them!

7 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

That movie is dumb as F. All that unrealistic BS that everyone who seriously follows the draft knows is ridiculous. And the cherry on top is the GM does it all for a RB and an off the ball LB. SMDH. 

I bet you are a blast at family reunions and birthday parties.

[Evansfan322]

I would love a move back and get Legette and Pearsall 

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, Evansfan322 said:

I would love a move back and get Legette and Pearsall 

Would be amazing

[BarleyNY]

5 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

I bet you are a blast at family reunions and birthday parties

I don’t suffer fools gladly. And if I’m being honest, that’s been a bit of a hindrance in my life. But still……a RB because his dad played for the team and an off the ball LB. Both top 5. 

[transplantbillsfan]

9 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

And again, there's no particular reason to think the Julio trade was a success. They got a terrific WR, an all-timer.

 

[Shaw66]

5 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

I feel they want an interchangeable WR.  Damn good speed, but more importantly able to separate and catch consistently. When you do that you can't key on a play like defenses have in the past based on personnel.   

 

We would be a team that could have Shakir, Samuel or Rookie, in any of the possessions at any given time.

 

I think you meant positions, not possessions.   

 

Yes, you and I have been saying this for a while.  I think the handwriting was on the wall when they got Samuel.  And add Kincaid in there.  And Cook.   They want to put a bunch of guys out there that are interchangeable.   

 

I wrote something a few days ago about the fact that McCaffrey is so much more valuable than Saquon.  When McCaffrey was in college I just didn't get how good he was.  I thought he was a great college player who would stumble in the pros.  Well, no.  He's great, and he's great because he's good enough to be a good starting running back and (almost) a starting receiver.  That's a weapon.  Singletary was that kind of back, just not as good. 

 

I very much think that body type doesn't determine a valuable receiver.   I don't like Metcalf, even though he has one of the all-time great bodies - size and speed.  Heart, quickness, change of direction, brains.  That's what wins now.