OldTimer1960 Posted April 24 Posted April 24 39 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: This year and next. They will have cap space to make some moves for 2025 though. But not all that much cap space.
zow2 Posted April 24 Posted April 24 I'm of the mindset, the Bills should definitely move up. They are still in win now mode, as long as Josh Allen is in his prime years. He needs an elite WR, and with Diggs gone it matters even more. Let's face it, they will do whatever they can do to win a Super Bowl now. Once Allen is gone or his career ends, they can rebuild from scratch. For now, do what it takes to get a damn elite WR. 3
warrior9 Posted April 24 Posted April 24 41 minutes ago, section122 said: I disagree strongly that he is a 1 trick pony. He is indeed fast but he was the leading wr for texas with ad mitchell on the team. He can play the position. Being fast is the cherry on top. I just don’t see it. He was a superior athlete, rarely pressed, wasn’t asked to do a ton. If he has a successful career (even similar stats to what he had at Texas) I’d be STUNNED. It’s incredibly rare that undersized guys like that make it in the NFL. We also need a bigger receiver. We don’t need worthy. We have Samuel and KS
mannc Posted April 24 Posted April 24 15 minutes ago, Virgil said: Today on WGR, they were talking about someone they trust from the Athletic saying the Bills are trying to trade up into the top 10 for Rome Odunze Bears don’t have a second this year, so I suppose they could be tempted by 28 and 60 plus the Vikings’ second next year… 2 1
OldTimer1960 Posted April 24 Posted April 24 20 minutes ago, BillsVet said: Playing it safe most years is partly why they've ended their season with a Divisional Round loss three years running. Yet, the one time this regime went big on draft in 2018 they landed Josh. Credit to McBeane for being bold and positioning themselves to move up for JA. You can't do that every year, but there's a time and a place for it, notably QB and now WR. Fortune favors the bold. The NFL remains an offensive-driven league and I'm not sure how people keep missing this. You don't get as far with a pedestrian or even decent offense and a regular season excellent defense in the playoffs. The strategy hasn't worked in years. Other thing is to what's happening in the background. No, this isn't Whaley and Brandon using future picks they might never have had after RW passed away which has been pointed to in this thread. But it probably isn't lost on McBeane that they are selling PSL's, a new stadium is going in, and they need to win. I don't think Terry is as hands-on with the Bills, but that's a factor, even if distant. McBeane should take a calculated risk, if they deem the player worth it, because Josh deserves more than what is on the roster now. Disagree - they have been good enough to win, they just didn’t. It is very hard to win 3-4 playoff games in a row and sometimes it’s very little things that are the difference. Even if you’re right, how are they going to win with 1 hotshot WR and a crumbling D? I just don’t think 1 WR is going to make that difference and the cost to trade for one will hamstring any hope to address other holes. Further, if all it took was a great WR, then Miami would be SB champ and SF would have beaten KC last year. 1
warrior9 Posted April 24 Posted April 24 40 minutes ago, Brandon said: I don't think he's a 'one trick' type by any stretch. The size issue is definitely a real concern, IMO, but he's otherwise a real receiver prospect, not just a track guy running vertical routes. He's been a 60+ catch guy three years in a row at Texas. He can run routes. I'm not sure he's their first choice or anything, but I definitely think he's in play for the Bills. He wasn’t asked to do much at Texas. If he can’t get off the line in the NFL, he will relegate to just that. Speed sweep guy and occasionally catch a nice deep ball.
BarleyNY Posted April 24 Posted April 24 6 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: But not all that much cap space. That is incorrect. The Bills can easily create a huge amount of cap space next offseason.
Andrew Son Posted April 24 Posted April 24 (edited) 15 minutes ago, warrior9 said: He wasn’t asked to do much at Texas. If he can’t get off the line in the NFL, he will relegate to just that. Speed sweep guy and occasionally catch a nice deep ball. He doesn't even look nearly as fast as his timed speed. He's high cut with those long legs. Once he gets going he's electric but I don't see him as very sudden or elusive. I'd hate the pick. Edited April 24 by SWATeam
Process Posted April 24 Posted April 24 The more I think about it the more I want them to go all in and get Rome. Id prefer to keep 60 this year and 1 of our top 3 picks next year. If we can get him for this year's first, next year's first and one of next years second, I am in. 2
Chandler#81 Posted April 24 Posted April 24 11 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Can we make an agreement that we won’t compare whatever happens Thursday to trading up for a WR a decade ago? In case people haven’t realized, the world is much different now. The Bills are Super Bowl contenders with a top 2 QB and missing WR1 & WR2. Additionally, a top end WR used to account for like 7% of the cap. Now it is almost double that. When you have an elite QB, you are really in a tough spot if you have to pay WR too. In the postmortem of Diggs’ departure, I’m thrilled we’ll be free & clear of his salary next year. I wouldn’t have thought it impossible and it’s the reason I believed we were stuck with the primadonna. We’ll get through this even if we miss the playoffs this season. IF we land MHJ, the East dominance continues.
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted April 24 Posted April 24 (edited) 8 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: Disagree - they have been good enough to win, they just didn’t. by definition they haven't been good enough. It is very hard to win 3-4 playoff games in a row and sometimes it’s very little things that are the difference. Like not having speed and big play ability at WR and not addressing playmakers who are difference makers sooner. Even if you’re right, how are they going to win with 1 hotshot WR and a crumbling D? I just don’t think 1 WR is going to make that difference and the cost to trade for one will hamstring any hope to address other holes. The D is not crumbling and a field stretching, all around WR can make a big difference. If we don't have someone like that this year, defenses will put us in a box. Further, if all it took was a great WR, then Miami would be SB champ and SF would have beaten KC last year. Patrick Mahomes Edited April 24 by D. L. Hot-Flamethrower 1
Kirby Jackson Posted April 24 Posted April 24 47 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: True, random things aren't relevant. But looking at how similar strategies have worked in the past is extremely relevant. It just is. There's no randomness involved here. They're looking at whether to follow the exact same strategy that produced the - failed - Sammy Watkins trade and many others besides. Un-random. And again, there's no particular reason to think the Julio trade was a success. They got a terrific WR, an all-timer. And they went from a 13-3 record the year before they drafted him to never winning a Super Bowl and having far more losing years than winning years. They will draft based on the quality of the players this year. Of course. Very fair and completely correct. But if they are smart - and they are - they will strategize whether or not to make trades and particularly what kind of trades to make or not make, based on what has worked and what has very notably NOT worked in the past. Again, Massey-Thaler makes this clear. Massive trade-ups fail a lot more than they succeed. If we are going to “look at things that are similar” why is the Watkins deal more relevant than Julio? The Falcons were 13-3 the previous year with a franchise QB. They made a similar move in terms of how far that they came up. That’s way closer to this situation. 3
Lost Posted April 24 Posted April 24 26 minutes ago, Virgil said: Today on WGR, they were talking about someone they trust from the Athletic saying the Bills are trying to trade up into the top 10 for Rome Odunze I don't care what it takes. Get it done. If the Bills don't, the Chiefs are sitting there ready to pounce.
warrior9 Posted April 24 Posted April 24 43 minutes ago, Logic said: As for him being a massive bust: I disagree. All this "he'll never get off the line" stuff completely ignores the way modern NFL offenses scheme receivers open. It completely ignores the recent success of guys like Tyreek Hill, Zay Flowers, and Hollywood Brown. It ignores the success of offenses like the Dolphins. The modern NFL game is all about speed. Speed, speed, speed. It's one of the hardest things to defend. Having a guy who can both take the top off a defense and open things up for the players underneath AND be explosive in terms of RAC is hugely important. It's not just me saying it. Beane and McDermott both spent the offseason talking about adding speed, explosivity, and RAC to the offense. Worthy has all of those things. He also has three years of quality production at Texas. He is NOT a "straight line speed only", one trick pony. He has lateral quickness, route running ability, toughness, and smarts. We can agree to disagree on the issue. I think Worthy is gonna be a very good player, and I think he would make perfect sense as the Bills' preferred choice. You can love a 6'1 170 pound WR. BUT the bolded is ABSOLUTELY and UTTERLY false. That is A HORRIFIC take. Zay Flowers ran a 4.42 and is 4 inches shorter than Worthy and weighs 10 pounds more. HOLLY WOOD BROWN?!?!?!?!?!?! REALLY? Sure Tyreek has been great but so has: Mike Evans, Davante Adams, JJ, CeeDee Lamb, AJ Brown, Aiyuk, Chris Godwin, Amon-Ra St. Brown, Kupp, Keenan Allen, Puka, Deebo, Cooper, and the list goes on. only ONE has ran under a 4.4.... Your little fast guys are FAR out numbered. Be honest, what did you think of Quentin Johnstone coming out of TCU last year? Assume you loved him?
TheyCallMeAndy Posted April 24 Posted April 24 The Bills, after all, are notorious for their draft plans leaking. 😉 1
Xerx Posted April 24 Posted April 24 I think for them to get up into the top-10. they would need to make two trades First into the teens and then up to the top-10 If that was going to be the case, I don't think it's happening at the draft table We'll know of the first move before then and they'd still need to be okay drafting someone in the teens at the cost they gave up, if the other deal fell through which is most likely draft day dependent on the board
warrior9 Posted April 24 Posted April 24 9 minutes ago, SWATeam said: He doesn't even look nearly as fast as his timed speed to be. He's high cut with those long legs. Once he gets going he's electric but I don't see him as very sudden or elusive. I'd hate the pick. I would be MISERABLE with the pick.. There is NO WAY Beane sends a card in with Worthy. I would bet he is blowing smoke to get someone else to take him and get his guy to drop.
Gregg Posted April 24 Posted April 24 12 minutes ago, mannc said: Bears don’t have a second this year, so I suppose they could be tempted by 28 and 60 plus the Vikings’ second next year… I thought the Bears were looking to move on from Fields and will be taking a QB.
buffaloboyinATL Posted April 24 Posted April 24 25 minutes ago, Virgil said: Today on WGR, they were talking about someone they trust from the Athletic saying the Bills are trying to trade up into the top 10 for Rome Odunze I really like Odunze, and have seen him compared to TO and Davonte Adams, which is obviously very high praise. Watching his highlights, he appears to be well above average at catching contested balls, and has a ridiculous catch radius. Seeing all of the contested catches does make me wonder how well he will be able to separate in the NFL, but all in all, I would be very excited to get him in Buffalo. He seems built to play in the Buffalo weather. 1 minute ago, Gregg said: I thought the Bears were looking to move on from Fields and will be taking a QB. They will be taking Caleb Williams with pick #1, but they also have pick #9.
BarleyNY Posted April 24 Posted April 24 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Gregg said: I thought the Bears were looking to move on from Fields and will be taking a QB. The Bears have picks #1 and #9 overall in this year’s draft. They are taking Caleb Williams with 1 to replace Fields, whom they traded to Pittsburgh. Them trading 9 to acquire more picks is a possibility. Edited April 24 by BarleyNY 1
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