Will we be in Super Bowl contention this year?

[Chicharito]

Please let it be our year! I hope we don’t have the rich mans Phillip Rivers.

[BullBuchanan]

4 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I wasn't really aware that @NewEra was calling Kincaid an asceding superstar TE.   Yeah he has pretty much blown so far this year.   I haven't seen a mea culpa on that until now either so maybe he has owned it or maybe @FireChans just called him out and you are presuming he owned it prior.   I don't know.    My issue is questioning his @BullBuchanan fandom and the vitriol used.    I bust people's balls all the time but it's not personal and hateful like that.   I mean a long distance, online participant only fan like New Era calling on another Bills fan's cred?   GTFOH that's hilarious. 😂

I blocked him long ago for his low quality, attack-laden posts. People have been using personal attacks against my posts, instead of just trying to discredit them on merit, for years. I'm used to it at this point.

You can look back through my post history for the last 4 years or so and it should all be very consistent. There is little that has happened this year that is counter to my primary concerns about this team. I said I could see us winning 10-11 games due to the weakness of our schedule as perceived after the draft and into the summer. As it turns out, our schedule has been even weaker than what anyone could have guessed due to the jets and dolphins imploding, and KC and SF being far more vulnerable than they have in past seasons. The league in general is also having a really bad year with a ton of teams at the bottom and a ton of pretenders at the top.

That said, the Bills are playing way better football than what I expected. Josh is also playing the best football of his career (which I've mentioned on the board no less than 5 times). Ironically, he's playing the kind of game management style it seemed Dorsey was trying to coax out of him last year. Cooper was a huge get. An add like that didn't seem to be part of the plan - everyone was shocked when it happened.

As of now however, I still do not think the Bills are in a legitimate position to win a Super Bowl. People will point to our record and our regular season win over KC to shoot me down, but those accomplishment are nothing new for us. We've beaten KC in the regular season 4 years in a row with an 0-3 record against them in the playoffs over the last 4 years. We got some help with the Bengals implosion, but the Lions, Eagles and Vikings are all stacked with talent and have dominant run games, our biggest weakness, to pair with elite passing attacks and talented defenses. Our course the Chiefs are still the champs, and they have our number in the post-season until proven otherwise.

 

Some people think being a top 4-6 team means you're in position to win it all. I don't. I don't think Minnesota, Green Bay or Pittsburgh are legitimate threats to win the SB this year, regardless of their record. Maybe that's the difference that makes people think I'm just a "hater", despite watching/listening all but one game over the last 35 years. I sure waste a lot of my own time to just to post on a message board a couple times a week.

I'm loving the season, and I'm as high on expectations as I can possibly be, but I'm a long way from feeling like I'm dead wrong about the composition of our team, and the capability of our coaches until proven otherwise. The only bar this team has is winning a Super Bowl, so it's a bit early to start putting the crow in the oven.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

On 4/21/2024 at 7:33 AM, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Name one player on offense or defense not named Josh Allen that any OC or DC on opposing teams is concerned about.

 

This roster is completely devoid of top tier talent. 

 

People need to wrap their head around the idea of 9 wins being close to this team's ceiling.

Welp this aged like fine milk 

[SoTier]

9 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:

The good news is, I almost feel like this team is more dialed in than they ever have been. Even missing guys, we have just been mauling people. I think the players want it bad

 

I think if they can stay healthy (ie, about like they have been in the last couple of games), the Bills have a real chance to win it all.

 

35 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Welp this aged like fine milk 

 

It could be worse.  You could have predicted the Jests winning the Super Bowl and Aaron Rodgers winning MVP.  😁

 

I actually don't think that anyone on TSW predicted that but others, including some in the national media, jumped on the Jests bandwagon big time.   OTOH, I doubt that many of even the most positive Bills fans, thought they would be 11-2 at this time in the season.

[Kelly to Allen]

7 hours ago, Chicharito said:

Please let it be our year! I hope we don’t have the rich mans Phillip Rivers.

Allen already has more playoff passing touchdowns than rivers had in his entire career.

 

I understand you mean he's better because you said " rich man's version"

 

Allen is more in Marino or Kelly territory already based on the eye test, numbers and playoff numbers 

 

Allen is second all time in tds in NFL history for a QB in his first ten playoff games. 

 

 

Edited December 7 by Kelly to Allen

[ganesh]

7 hours ago, Chicharito said:

Please let it be our year! I hope we don’t have the rich mans Phillip Rivers.

Rivers never had a good team around him that can contend for the SB every year.   The Bills of today definitely are better than that. 

[BillsPride12]

9 hours ago, Chicharito said:

Please let it be our year! I hope we don’t have the rich mans Phillip Rivers.

Allen is light years ahead of Phillip Rivers...and this is coming from someone who was a huge Rivers fan and was rooting for him like crazy to win a Super Bowl in his career

 

Rivers always felt like a modern era Jim Kelly to me

[NewEra]

5 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

You can look back through my post history for the last 4 years or so and it should all be very consistent. There is little that has happened this year that is counter to my primary concerns about this team. 

As of now however, I still do not think the Bills are in a legitimate position to win a Super Bowl.

 

but I'm a long way from feeling like I'm dead wrong about the composition of our team, and the capability of our coaches until proven otherwise. The only bar this team has is winning a Super Bowl, so it's a bit early to start putting the crow in the oven.

The bills are +475 to win the Super Bowl.  Vegas gives us around a 20% chance to win it all.  Way to go out on a limb with that prediction.  These ridiculous blanket statements-  of/when we do t win the Super Bowl-  you say- look back at my post history.  “I predicted that we weren’t contenders and we didn’t win the SB, see, look at my poast, I’m right”.  No- not Winning the Super Bowl doesn’t mean you aren’t a Super Bowl contender.  Not making the Super Bowl doesn’t mean you aren’t a contender. It means you didn’t win the Super Bowl-  which currently have around a 20% chance to do-

it’s early to put the crow in the oven—- lol.  you might be 1 of & people on earth who don’t think the Bills are Super Bowl contenders.  And 1 of 8 people who will say “seeeee, the bills weren’t contenders” if the Bills don’t overcome the 75% plus odds against them.  Meanwhile the world knows you’re wrong.

 

“McDermott isn’t a contender until he wins a Super Bowl”. That’s what you are saying and will continue to say until they do.  this topic is about winning the Super Bowl.  It’s about “being a contender”. You’ve just moved the goalposts 

 

do you man-  👻 

[FireChans]

6 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

I blocked him long ago for his low quality, attack-laden posts. People have been using personal attacks against my posts, instead of just trying to discredit them on merit, for years. I'm used to it at this point.

You can look back through my post history for the last 4 years or so and it should all be very consistent. There is little that has happened this year that is counter to my primary concerns about this team. I said I could see us winning 10-11 games due to the weakness of our schedule as perceived after the draft and into the summer. As it turns out, our schedule has been even weaker than what anyone could have guessed due to the jets and dolphins imploding, and KC and SF being far more vulnerable than they have in past seasons. The league in general is also having a really bad year with a ton of teams at the bottom and a ton of pretenders at the top.

That said, the Bills are playing way better football than what I expected. Josh is also playing the best football of his career (which I've mentioned on the board no less than 5 times). Ironically, he's playing the kind of game management style it seemed Dorsey was trying to coax out of him last year. Cooper was a huge get. An add like that didn't seem to be part of the plan - everyone was shocked when it happened.

As of now however, I still do not think the Bills are in a legitimate position to win a Super Bowl. People will point to our record and our regular season win over KC to shoot me down, but those accomplishment are nothing new for us. We've beaten KC in the regular season 4 years in a row with an 0-3 record against them in the playoffs over the last 4 years. We got some help with the Bengals implosion, but the Lions, Eagles and Vikings are all stacked with talent and have dominant run games, our biggest weakness, to pair with elite passing attacks and talented defenses. Our course the Chiefs are still the champs, and they have our number in the post-season until proven otherwise.

 

Some people think being a top 4-6 team means you're in position to win it all. I don't. I don't think Minnesota, Green Bay or Pittsburgh are legitimate threats to win the SB this year, regardless of their record. Maybe that's the difference that makes people think I'm just a "hater", despite watching/listening all but one game over the last 35 years. I sure waste a lot of my own time to just to post on a message board a couple times a week.

I'm loving the season, and I'm as high on expectations as I can possibly be, but I'm a long way from feeling like I'm dead wrong about the composition of our team, and the capability of our coaches until proven otherwise. The only bar this team has is winning a Super Bowl, so it's a bit early to start putting the crow in the oven.

IMO, if you don’t think the Bills are contenders that basically means you think the only AFC SB contender is KC. That’s wild.

[Billsatlastin2018]

At the 3/4 pole, the legit contenders for the SB are:

 

AFC

 

Bills

Chiefs ( only because of their record)

Ravens & Steelers

…

Chargers

 

NFC

 

Lions

Eagles

Packers

 

My Pre Season predictions had the ‘subject to significant injury’ clause… as always…

 

What I was dead wrong about… not too much…but…

 

AFC

 

*Bills

“Unlike the past 4 years, I lack confidence that the Bills will make it 5 in a row. Way too much in flux, still too many albatross contracts. 

Bills 2nd by 2 to the Fish (again injuries) “

* Cinci “#2 AFC Seed.”

A terribly, dysfunctional and disappointing team.

 

* Pitt… “Modest progress towards another .500 Season”

.soooo HOF well coached! But, Still lack confidence they will win the Division.

 

NFC

 

*49ers… injuries

*Minnesnowta… TRASH!     2nd biggest shocker! NO confidence they continue.

* Cowgirls as a long shot! Bwahahahahaha!

 

GO BILLS! Should be the year.

 

[Buffalo03]

17 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

I blocked him long ago for his low quality, attack-laden posts. People have been using personal attacks against my posts, instead of just trying to discredit them on merit, for years. I'm used to it at this point.

You can look back through my post history for the last 4 years or so and it should all be very consistent. There is little that has happened this year that is counter to my primary concerns about this team. I said I could see us winning 10-11 games due to the weakness of our schedule as perceived after the draft and into the summer. As it turns out, our schedule has been even weaker than what anyone could have guessed due to the jets and dolphins imploding, and KC and SF being far more vulnerable than they have in past seasons. The league in general is also having a really bad year with a ton of teams at the bottom and a ton of pretenders at the top.

That said, the Bills are playing way better football than what I expected. Josh is also playing the best football of his career (which I've mentioned on the board no less than 5 times). Ironically, he's playing the kind of game management style it seemed Dorsey was trying to coax out of him last year. Cooper was a huge get. An add like that didn't seem to be part of the plan - everyone was shocked when it happened.

As of now however, I still do not think the Bills are in a legitimate position to win a Super Bowl. People will point to our record and our regular season win over KC to shoot me down, but those accomplishment are nothing new for us. We've beaten KC in the regular season 4 years in a row with an 0-3 record against them in the playoffs over the last 4 years. We got some help with the Bengals implosion, but the Lions, Eagles and Vikings are all stacked with talent and have dominant run games, our biggest weakness, to pair with elite passing attacks and talented defenses. Our course the Chiefs are still the champs, and they have our number in the post-season until proven otherwise.

 

Some people think being a top 4-6 team means you're in position to win it all. I don't. I don't think Minnesota, Green Bay or Pittsburgh are legitimate threats to win the SB this year, regardless of their record. Maybe that's the difference that makes people think I'm just a "hater", despite watching/listening all but one game over the last 35 years. I sure waste a lot of my own time to just to post on a message board a couple times a week.

I'm loving the season, and I'm as high on expectations as I can possibly be, but I'm a long way from feeling like I'm dead wrong about the composition of our team, and the capability of our coaches until proven otherwise. The only bar this team has is winning a Super Bowl, so it's a bit early to start putting the crow in the oven.

My issue with your post is I feel like your going out of your way too much to discount what they have done. That Chiefs win was a good win against an 11-1 team and it still sounds like you're not impressed. Yes, they are vulnerable, they were last year to. You sound like someone where if we win it all, you would say "yeah, but the other team had some injuries". I can see why your posts have gotten some criticism. Maybe you're right but trying to make the Chiefs sound "far" more vulnerable than last year? Last year they had the same problems. They lost 6 games. And quite frankly, I think the change in OC has been a world of difference for this team. But come on man, what we have done so far this year is insane

[Mister Defense]

On 4/20/2024 at 3:14 PM, BullBuchanan said:

We'll be fortunate to be in playoff contention as the roster currently stands, imo. We would need a series of miracles to get into the super bowl conversation that involves season ending injuries to Mahomes and Burrow, drafting OROY and DROYs like Houston did, staying healthy and having all of our top players play great, and then having probably 2 current players on the roster take monumental leaps up to all-pro status (Kincaid, Epenesa?)

At the end of all that, would it be enough to top the best of the NFC?

 

Doubt it.

 

Well, maybe you are now a religious type of guy, as the series of miracles have happened, if not the cataclysmic ones to the other top AFC quarterbacks?

 

But instead of miracles most believe the superb leadership at the top of this team, the GM, coach, and the QB  just did the things they knew, from experience, leads to great success. 

 

Keep hoping though; maybe next year?

 

 

 

 

Edited December 7 by Mister Defense

[Mister Defense]

On 4/21/2024 at 7:33 AM, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Name one player on offense or defense not named Josh Allen that any OC or DC on opposing teams is concerned about.

 

This roster is completely devoid of top tier talent. 

 

People need to wrap their head around the idea of 9 wins being close to this team's ceiling.

 

You gotta love this post!   "The roster is completely devoid of top tier talent."

 

Soo emphatic, so definitive.  I got goose bumps when I read it.

 

On 4/21/2024 at 2:35 PM, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Homerism on cook and shakir, honestly. I think shakir can be good, but yes no #1. Kincaid MAY become that guy but it's not a certainty.

 

'Homerism' seems to win out, AGAIN, over extreme negativity and irrational pessimism...

 

 

Edited December 7 by Mister Defense

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

17 minutes ago, Mister Defense said:

 

You gotta love this post!   "The roster is completely devoid of talent."

 

Soo emphatic, so definitive.  I got goose bumps when I read it.

 

 

'Homerism' seems to win out, AGAIN, over extreme negativity and irrational pessimism...

Top tier talent 

 

If you're gonna take me to task, whoever you are, at least quote me right 

[Mister Defense]

Just now, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Top tier talent 

 

If you're gonna take me to task, whoever you are, at least quote me right 

 

I apologize.  Fixed.

 

Do you think the Bills are now a legitimate Super Bowl/championship contender? Where would you rank them in the NFL right now?

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, Mister Defense said:

 

I apologize.  Fixed.

 

Do you think the Bills are now a legitimate Super Bowl/championship contender? Where would you rank them in the NFL right now?

 

Third, probably. I have enjoyed the season but I'm not going to predict they make the super bowl. Just don't have faith in playoffs McDermott.

[DCofNC]

21 minutes ago, Mister Defense said:

 

You gotta love this post!   "The roster is completely devoid of talent."

 

Soo emphatic, so definitive.  I got goose bumps when I read it.

 

 

'Homerism' seems to win out, AGAIN, over extreme negativity and irrational pessimism...

They said devoid of TOP TIER talent and I’d actually have to agree on that, especially with the knowledge of the roster at the beginning of the year.   Cook has definitely shown to be a special talent, some would consider top tier some might consider just a notch below that.  I don’t have him as Saquon/Henry level, but he’s definitely in the next group of RBs. 
 

At WR, the talent isn’t overwhelming, even with Cooper. 
 

TE is probably the most disappointing performing group this year and a lot of us were expecting big things from Kincaid.

 

I will give this staff and the team a LOT of credit though, this team is getting a much better whole than the sum of its parts.  They have played great football as a team (most games), and haven’t put the entire burden on JA17.   I think it’s fair to question if they can do it when it counts the most, but the results thus far have been very impressive.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

18 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

I blocked him long ago for his low quality, attack-laden posts. People have been using personal attacks against my posts, instead of just trying to discredit them on merit, for years. I'm used to it at this point.

You can look back through my post history for the last 4 years or so and it should all be very consistent. There is little that has happened this year that is counter to my primary concerns about this team. I said I could see us winning 10-11 games due to the weakness of our schedule as perceived after the draft and into the summer. As it turns out, our schedule has been even weaker than what anyone could have guessed due to the jets and dolphins imploding, and KC and SF being far more vulnerable than they have in past seasons. The league in general is also having a really bad year with a ton of teams at the bottom and a ton of pretenders at the top.

That said, the Bills are playing way better football than what I expected. Josh is also playing the best football of his career (which I've mentioned on the board no less than 5 times). Ironically, he's playing the kind of game management style it seemed Dorsey was trying to coax out of him last year. Cooper was a huge get. An add like that didn't seem to be part of the plan - everyone was shocked when it happened.

As of now however, I still do not think the Bills are in a legitimate position to win a Super Bowl. People will point to our record and our regular season win over KC to shoot me down, but those accomplishment are nothing new for us. We've beaten KC in the regular season 4 years in a row with an 0-3 record against them in the playoffs over the last 4 years. We got some help with the Bengals implosion, but the Lions, Eagles and Vikings are all stacked with talent and have dominant run games, our biggest weakness, to pair with elite passing attacks and talented defenses. Our course the Chiefs are still the champs, and they have our number in the post-season until proven otherwise.

 

Some people think being a top 4-6 team means you're in position to win it all. I don't. I don't think Minnesota, Green Bay or Pittsburgh are legitimate threats to win the SB this year, regardless of their record. Maybe that's the difference that makes people think I'm just a "hater", despite watching/listening all but one game over the last 35 years. I sure waste a lot of my own time to just to post on a message board a couple times a week.

I'm loving the season, and I'm as high on expectations as I can possibly be, but I'm a long way from feeling like I'm dead wrong about the composition of our team, and the capability of our coaches until proven otherwise. The only bar this team has is winning a Super Bowl, so it's a bit early to start putting the crow in the oven.

Perhaps you don't quite understand the definition of legitimate? 

I mean if the Bills are not legit then who is? 

They are a division winner and lead the NFL in turnover margin at +17. That stat alone makes them a legitimate contender. 

Like every team the Bills have issues. The DL is a massive worry.

However I'm not sure we have even seen the best this offense can be with more Cooper and a healthy Kincaid/Coleman. 

[Mister Defense]

1 hour ago, DCofNC said:

They said devoid of TOP TIER talent and I’d actually have to agree on that, especially with the knowledge of the roster at the beginning of the year.   Cook has definitely shown to be a special talent, some would consider top tier some might consider just a notch below that.  I don’t have him as Saquon/Henry level, but he’s definitely in the next group of RBs. 
 

At WR, the talent isn’t overwhelming, even with Cooper. 
 

TE is probably the most disappointing performing group this year and a lot of us were expecting big things from Kincaid.

 

I will give this staff and the team a LOT of credit though, this team is getting a much better whole than the sum of its parts.  They have played great football as a team (most games), and haven’t put the entire burden on JA17.   I think it’s fair to question if they can do it when it counts the most, but the results thus far have been very impressive.

 

I had thought by the end of last year that they had about a dozen starters I considered top tier talent.

 

On offense, Allen, Cook, Shakir, Kincaid,  Dawkins, and with Spencer Brown  likely moving into that position by the end of last year. One of the worst things about Dorsey was that he did not use the talented players right in front of his eyes, such as Shakir and Cook.  When he was fired their talent was almost immediately apparent to all.  I also considered Knox in that category, though he was seldom used.  Great to see that changing now, as he will be a force going forward.

 

On defense, I considered all three starting CBs top tier talent by the end of last year, some of the best at their positions: Douglas, Benford, and Taron Johnson.  Bernard had also defined himself as such, as had Oliver, with Rousseau moving into that conversation by the end of the year. And obviously Mialno would be considered top tier talent by everyone, and I was hoping for a full recovery by the start of this season.

 

Their talent, combined with the best coaching staff the Bills have had since Levy's teams, and maybe surpassing that group, had me more optimistic,  though I also felt that they could take a step back early in the season if the new players on both sides of the ball took too long to develop/did not come through.

 

The fact that the step back did not happen means they just kept getting better and better and better, to now clearly one of the top 2 teams in the league.

 

 

 

Edited December 7 by Mister Defense

[MJS]

14 hours ago, NewEra said:

The bills are +475 to win the Super Bowl.  Vegas gives us around a 20% chance to win it all.  Way to go out on a limb with that prediction.  These ridiculous blanket statements-  of/when we do t win the Super Bowl-  you say- look back at my post history.  “I predicted that we weren’t contenders and we didn’t win the SB, see, look at my poast, I’m right”.  No- not Winning the Super Bowl doesn’t mean you aren’t a Super Bowl contender.  Not making the Super Bowl doesn’t mean you aren’t a contender. It means you didn’t win the Super Bowl-  which currently have around a 20% chance to do-

it’s early to put the crow in the oven—- lol.  you might be 1 of & people on earth who don’t think the Bills are Super Bowl contenders.  And 1 of 8 people who will say “seeeee, the bills weren’t contenders” if the Bills don’t overcome the 75% plus odds against them.  Meanwhile the world knows you’re wrong.

 

“McDermott isn’t a contender until he wins a Super Bowl”. That’s what you are saying and will continue to say until they do.  this topic is about winning the Super Bowl.  It’s about “being a contender”. You’ve just moved the goalposts 

 

do you man-  👻 

Funny that he blocked you, because BullBuchanan is the SINGULAR person that I have ever blocked on this site. I've had my fights with other posters for sure, but I've never felt like I needed to block anyone until him. He should feel honored.