Rocky Landing Posted May 5 Posted May 5 4 minutes ago, H2o said: Yes, the REAL burning question this off-season. Have the Bills done enough to address the PK position? Considering how Bass finished the season, it's not an irrelevant question to be asking. 1 Quote
MJS Posted May 5 Posted May 5 Let's see if Bass has it fixed. If not, they can bring in kickers to compete. Quote
BillsFanForever19 Posted May 5 Posted May 5 (edited) I think Bass' contract makes him extremely unlikely to be cut under any scenario - unfortunately. As such, I think Bates' agent is going to have him sign with a team that either a.) Is going to just name him the starter b.) Is going to give him a fair and even shot in an open competition with a team that hasn't named a starter and/or c.) Is going to go to a team with a Kicker that doesn't have much of a financial committment locked into them. We don't fall under any of those categories. Edited May 5 by BillsFanForever19 1 Quote
H2o Posted May 6 Posted May 6 https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/jake-bates-goes-five-for-five-with-game-winner-for-michigan He was 5-5 yesterday, with another 60 yarder, and the game-winner. Quote Kicker Jake Bates, who made a 64-yarder earlier this year and prompted complaints that NFL teams were contacting him improperly, went five-for-five in field goals for Michigan — including another 60-yarder. He capped the day with a 42-yard game winner that gave Michigan the 28-27 victory. Quote
MrEpsYtown Posted May 6 Posted May 6 I am pretty sure he is going to sign with the Lions. They have Michael Badgley who has always been up and down and Bates is smashing Balls in that stadium. 2 Quote
H2o Posted May 6 Posted May 6 3 minutes ago, JarHeadJim_1 said: What's his 40 time? The real question is how fast is the rail we'd run Bass out of town on. Quote
Starr Almighty Posted May 6 Posted May 6 Can he kick outside is the real question. Maybe if they sign him and he misses outside kicks it'll force them to put a roof on the new stadium. Quote
BullBuchanan Posted May 6 Posted May 6 On 4/20/2024 at 9:09 AM, Eastport bills said: Sounds like a great idea. Bass should scare Bills fans. He seems insulated from any consequences of blowing our season with a chip shot miss against KC along with misses along the way. There are too many automatic kickers (Ravens, Bengals,Dolphins,) for us to live with a guy that has confidence issues. How much better are they than Bass? Tucker, McPherson and Bass al missed 5 kicks last year. Sanders missed 4. Bass had the lowest percentage but he was effectively even with McPherson. Most kickers get so few reps these days that a couple more in any direction skews the stats a lot to make you think a guyw as great or terrible. Bass had his worse year since his rookie year with 5 misses for 82.8 percent, coming off back to back 87% seasons where he had 4 misses across 3 and 4 more attempts respectively. Quote
TheyCallMeAndy Posted May 6 Posted May 6 11 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: How much better are they than Bass? Tucker, McPherson and Bass al missed 5 kicks last year. Sanders missed 4. Bass had the lowest percentage but he was effectively even with McPherson. Most kickers get so few reps these days that a couple more in any direction skews the stats a lot to make you think a guyw as great or terrible. Bass had his worse year since his rookie year with 5 misses for 82.8 percent, coming off back to back 87% seasons where he had 4 misses across 3 and 4 more attempts respectively. Things were off for Bass for sure last year, but abandoning a guy for 1 so-so season is bonkers. 1 Quote
BuffaloBillyG Posted May 6 Posted May 6 On 4/20/2024 at 2:50 PM, Doc Brown said: We'll only save 100k by cutting Bass and eat $4.32m. He pry gets another year without competition but if he struggles early in the season they'll bring another guy in. Maybe they bring in a camp guy but I doubt it. This is true, however if cut this year his savings would be: 2025- $3.65M 2026- $3.95M 2027- $4.30M Each of those years we would also see a dead cap of just a bit over $1M a season. In short, it wouldn't save much this year but going forward if Bass struggles it looks like they can not only get out from the contract somewhat painlessly...but also end up with a net profit after paying his replacement as well depending on who it would be. Quote
BigDingus Posted May 6 Posted May 6 23 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: How much better are they than Bass? Tucker, McPherson and Bass al missed 5 kicks last year. Sanders missed 4. Bass had the lowest percentage but he was effectively even with McPherson. Most kickers get so few reps these days that a couple more in any direction skews the stats a lot to make you think a guyw as great or terrible. Bass had his worse year since his rookie year with 5 misses for 82.8 percent, coming off back to back 87% seasons where he had 4 misses across 3 and 4 more attempts respectively. It's not just how many he missed, it's about % of misses vs attempts and from what distance. Bass was ranked 21st in FG% out of kickers who had 20+ attempts. Tucker (86.5%) - 32 of 37 (including 31 of 32 under 50 yards) Sanders (85.7%) - 24 of 28 (including 19 of 21 under 50 yards) McPherson (83.9%) - 26 of 31 (including 19 of 19 under 50 yards / 7 of 12 from 50+) Bass (82.9%) - 24 of 29 (including 20 of 23 under 50 yards) So you're right in that Bass isn't super far off, but he's still not great either. All of McPherson's misses were from 50+ yards, as were all but 1 from Tucker. Quote
MrEpsYtown Posted May 6 Posted May 6 17 minutes ago, BigDingus said: It's not just how many he missed, it's about % of misses vs attempts and from what distance. Bass was ranked 21st in FG% out of kickers who had 20+ attempts. Tucker (86.5%) - 32 of 37 (including 31 of 32 under 50 yards) Sanders (85.7%) - 24 of 28 (including 19 of 21 under 50 yards) McPherson (83.9%) - 26 of 31 (including 19 of 19 under 50 yards / 7 of 12 from 50+) Bass (82.9%) - 24 of 29 (including 20 of 23 under 50 yards) So you're right in that Bass isn't super far off, but he's still not great either. All of McPherson's misses were from 50+ yards, as were all but 1 from Tucker. And this is why you don't pay Bass. He is not elite. He is ok. And the difference between a good kicker and an average kicker is minimal. Pay elite guys, the rest of these guys are a dime a dozen. The same rules apply to punters. KC let Tommy Townsend go for big money and now have a league minimum competition happening between Matt Araiza and Ryan Rehkow, two guys who are better than what we have and probably better than half the league. Stop paying punters and kickers. 1 Quote
TheyCallMeAndy Posted May 6 Posted May 6 Hindsight is always 20-20. Bass didn’t give anyone any reason to think he wouldn’t continue his upward trajectory in 2023. He was an 87% kicker the previous 2 seasons and started 9-9 this year before the wheels feel off. What caused those wheels to fall off is a much more interesting conversation that likely is deeper than ‘bAsS SuCks” in my opinion. The reality is: Weeks 1-5 he was 9-9 on FGs Weeks 6-7 he was 1-4 on FGs Weeks 8-11 he was 6-6 on FGs. Week 12 he was 2-4 on FGs. Weeks 13-17 he was 6-6 on FGs. Two Playoff games 2-5 on FGs. Bass was streaky but had plenty of good in 2023. Quote
MrEpsYtown Posted May 6 Posted May 6 (edited) 21 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Hindsight is always 20-20. Bass didn’t give anyone any reason to think he wouldn’t continue his upward trajectory in 2023. He was an 87% kicker the previous 2 seasons and started 9-9 this year before the wheels feel off. What caused those wheels to fall off is a much more interesting conversation that likely is deeper than ‘bAsS SuCks” in my opinion. The reality is: Weeks 1-5 he was 9-9 on FGs Weeks 6-7 he was 1-4 on FGs Weeks 8-11 he was 6-6 on FGs. Week 12 he was 2-4 on FGs. Weeks 13-17 he was 6-6 on FGs. Two Playoff games 2-5 on FGs. Bass was streaky but had plenty of good in 2023. The problem is that he is being paid like a top-ten kicker, which he isn't and probably never was going to be. You can get the same production from street-free agents or UDFAs. That's my issue. He was pretty good, but he isn't a top kicker and we should have never paid him 5 million plus per. Point being, average to above average kickers are a dime a dozen type guys. Edited May 6 by MrEpsYtown 1 Quote
TheyCallMeAndy Posted May 6 Posted May 6 7 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: The problem is that he is being paid like a top-ten kicker, which he isn't and probably never was going to be. You can get the same production from street-free agents or UDFAs. That's my issue. He was pretty good, but he isn't a top kicker and we should have never paid him 5 million plus per. Point being, average to above average kickers are a dime a dozen type guys. Contracts can always be adjusted, happens all the time. Maybe he takes a big jump in 2024 and we have to talk about how underpaid he is. 1 Quote
MrEpsYtown Posted May 6 Posted May 6 6 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Contracts can always be adjusted, happens all the time. Maybe he takes a big jump in 2024 and we have to talk about how underpaid he is. I hope so! Quote
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