Media Day at OBD (Beane, McDermott, Josh & more)

[Beck Water]

3 minutes ago, Brandon said:

 

There's likely to be a run on WRs starting around the last few picks of R1 and down to about 40-45.  Five or six will probably go in that range.  I think there will be teams willing to move up to get the one they like the most.  

 

Of course,  that's also an incentive for the Bills to stay right where they are.  They're in a good spot and will likely have their choice of the group that goes in that range,  if they want one.  

 

Well, other people here are far more students of the draft than I.

 

But if the draft is shallow at other positions, it also seems plausible to me that a team who sees a player at a position other than WR might be interested in trading up with the Bills, in order to secure that extra year on the player's contract AND assure themselves of getting him.

[GoBills808]

Just now, Logic said:

The counter argument to what you're saying is that the Bills have had one of the most productive WR1s on their roster each of the past four seasons in Stefon Diggs, and have still failed to reach a Super Bowl.

I'm not saying you don't need top end receiver talent. You do. I'm saying that having a collection of good receivers with different skillsets is a viable alternative. Note: I would argue that the Bills of the past couple seasons didn't fit the description of "having a collection of good receivers with different skillsets". Last year we lacked Gabe Davis in the playoffs had an all-around unimpressive WR depth chart. The year before that, we brought in the corpses of John Brown and Cole Beasley.

I'm saying the Bills need to do BETTER than that. But getting ONE very good receiver prospect isn't necessarily the only avenue. Getting a handful of good receiving prospects is another option. We're in agreement that they've been deficient there the past few years, but the fact that the model of "one great WR (Diggs) and a slew of average to below average ones" HASN'T been working only supports the point I'm trying to make: that's not the only model. Spreading targets around to multiple good options (which the Bills have not had the past few years) is an alternative.

All of that said, I'm on the record on this forum as being on team "trade up for one of the big three WRs", so I'm not even saying this is the path I would take if it were up to me. I'm just trying to provide context for what Beane is discussing and for how it has worked for other teams in recent years.

i know this is going to sound like hindsight or sour grapes or splitting hairs or whatever

 

but Diggs' productivity has never (to me) been indicative of his actual abilities as a wideout. we all know his good qualities that helped accumulate those stats. buthe's not a threat after the catch, he's of middling size, and imo his disappearing act in the postseason is largely a result of his lack of the kind of elite physical tools im talking about wanting in your top wideout.

 

diggs is good enough paired w allen to be a top5ish wideout in the regular season. but as stated since we lack top level offensive minds on staff we need guys on offense who can play above scheme in the playoffs. i don't trust our philosophy being capable of elevating a lot of good not great players in the bigger moments

[Warriorspikes51]

 

Having to say he got a text back .....reads to me like they weren't on speaking terms.  1 guess as to whose choice that was 

[K D]

33 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Option 1:   Big Trade into top 10

Option 2:  Moderate move up for BTJ  + possible move up in Round 2

Option 3:  Trade back with CAR or WSH.  Come away with Two 2nds + 3rd  or even Three  2nds. 

(example: 28, 128, 160, 2025 2nd to CAR for 33, 39) 
                

Option 4:  Stay at 28 and hope you strike gold.  

Option D : Trade all of your picks for the top RB in the draft

 

[julian]

Allen now being the Alpha and CEO of the offense with Diggs gone is going to go a long way in his maturation process and the young weapons will fall in line behind 17.

 

 I think Diggs being older than Allen and being “him” was helpful 4 years ago but Allen needed a clear runway at this point to truly put his stamp on this team. I believe we’re going to see a much different Josh Allen going forward, hopefully Bean gets enough talent around him to take advantage of it.

 

 IMHO.

[Aussie Joe]

12 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

Having to say he got a text back .....reads to me like they weren't on speaking terms.  1 guess as to whose choice that was 

 

 

[BillsPride12]

24 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

To me it seems like Beane isn’t his normal self this offseason. Seems a little down.

 

There's gotta be some frustration on his end.  I really think in his mind they were Super Bowl bound in 2022 and now they are starting over to a degree.  But I don't think there's probably anything more to it than that.  Just the nature of this business 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, BillsPride12 said:

 

There's gotta be some frustration on his end.  I really think in his mind they were Super Bowl bound in 2022 and now they are starting over to a degree.  But I don't think there's probably anything more to it than that.  Just the nature of this business 

I don’t know if it’s roster related or something else. Definitely something weighing on his mind.

[BillsPride12]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I don’t know if it’s roster related or something else. Definitely something weighing on his mind.

Who knows for sure what's going on with him but I wouldn't be surprised if he is just feeling some stress or burnout from the team not meeting expectations.  The Bills have been through a lot the last two seasons.  But I do notice some differences in his demeanor and what he says in his press conferences now compared to a couple years ago.  One thing I like about Beane is his accountability as he does own up to mistakes he's made in the past.  I'm sure it takes a toll on him.  

[Aussie Joe]

1 minute ago, BillsPride12 said:

Who knows for sure what's going on with him but I wouldn't be surprised if he is just feeling some stress or burnout from the team not meeting expectations.  The Bills have been through a lot the last two seasons.  But I do notice some differences in his demeanor and what he says in his press conferences now compared to a couple years ago.  One thing I like about Beane is his accountability as he does own up to mistakes he's made in the past.  I'm sure it takes a toll on him.  

I like Beane .. But I think by his standards he has made a few bad calls over the past 2 years … perhaps he is feeling a bit of heat .. or it’s just the demands he puts on himself ..

[The Wiz]

18 minutes ago, BillsPride12 said:

 

There's gotta be some frustration on his end.  I really think in his mind they were Super Bowl bound in 2022 and now they are starting over to a degree.  But I don't think there's probably anything more to it than that.  Just the nature of this business 

 

15 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I don’t know if it’s roster related or something else. Definitely something weighing on his mind.

 

5 minutes ago, BillsPride12 said:

Who knows for sure what's going on with him but I wouldn't be surprised if he is just feeling some stress or burnout from the team not meeting expectations.  The Bills have been through a lot the last two seasons.  But I do notice some differences in his demeanor and what he says in his press conferences now compared to a couple years ago.  One thing I like about Beane is his accountability as he does own up to mistakes he's made in the past.  I'm sure it takes a toll on him.  

 

Just now, Aussie Joe said:

I like Beane .. But I think by his standards he has made a few bad calls over the past 2 years … perhaps he is feeling a bit of heat .. or it’s just the demands he puts on himself ..

We all know what it is.  It's that 3rd round comp pick.

[Warriorspikes51]

6 minutes ago, BillsPride12 said:

Who knows for sure what's going on with him but I wouldn't be surprised if he is just feeling some stress or burnout from the team not meeting expectations.  The Bills have been through a lot the last two seasons.  But I do notice some differences in his demeanor and what he says in his press conferences now compared to a couple years ago.  One thing I like about Beane is his accountability as he does own up to mistakes he's made in the past.  I'm sure it takes a toll on him.  

 

He's just tired of reading my WR draft trade ideas 🤣

[Einstein's Dog]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

I don't know, every Super Bowl participant for the last like 10 years has had an elite pass catcher. Seems like a prerequisite. I don't think it's fair to expect a rookie WR to be elite right off the bat though so we'll have to try and make do. Drafting two WRs with physical traits high would maximize our chances.

No we shouldn't have to "try and make do".  Beane needs to earn his keep, he sent Diggs packing, bring someone in. 

 

It seems like the top tier are too expensive - J Jeff and B Aiyuk but there are other options.   D Metcalf/C Godwin/DHop.   

 

If Beane doesn't do something of this magnitude (which includes a massive move up for one of the big 3) then this, IMO, is a historically bad year over year on-paper drop.

[BillsFan130]

1 hour ago, Saint Doug said:

There’s no way Beane trades back. That’s not his MO. What will happen is he’ll trade up a few spots and say that the guy taken was the only guy left with a 1st round grade by them. 

Exactly this^. I listen to joe marinos podcast and a lot of his talks are about BB trading back.

 

Just seems to be a waste of time talking about it a lot, as history has shown time after time he is probably going to trade up a few spots to get one of his first round graded players.

[Aussie Joe]

14 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

No we shouldn't have to "try and make do".  Beane needs to earn his keep, he sent Diggs packing, bring someone in. 

 

It seems like the top tier are too expensive - J Jeff and B Aiyuk but there are other options.   D Metcalf/C Godwin/DHop.   

 

If Beane doesn't do something of this magnitude (which includes a massive move up for one of the big 3) then this, IMO, is a historically bad year over year on-paper drop.

He has definitely got some work to do … I’m pretty confident that he has a plan to get two good receivers to replace Diggs and Davis …

 

If he doesn't.. they are taking a step back in 2024 …

[MiracleAtRich1393]

15 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

No we shouldn't have to "try and make do".  Beane needs to earn his keep, he sent Diggs packing, bring someone in. 

 

It seems like the top tier are too expensive - J Jeff and B Aiyuk but there are other options.   D Metcalf/C Godwin/DHop.   

 

If Beane doesn't do something of this magnitude (which includes a massive move up for one of the big 3) then this, IMO, is a historically bad year over year on-paper drop.

2022 draft the move definitely would have been to trade back and take two day 2 swings at CB rather than trade up and force it for Elam (and still take Benford in 6th!)

 

Could have gone Cam Taylor Britt with the trade back 2nd rounder, kept the 4th and taken Tariq Woolen, and taken Benford as a CB with potential to move over to safety. We'd be rich in CB's right now...

 

This is about as loaded of a WR draft as that draft was at CB, wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to trade back a little and take two on day 2 and another sleeper value on day 3 (Jalen Coker type)

[Aussie Joe]

3 minutes ago, MiracleAtRich1393 said:

2022 draft the move definitely would have been to trade back and take two day 2 swings at CB rather than trade up and force it for Elam (and still take Benford in 6th!)

 

Could have gone Cam Taylor Britt with the trade back 2nd rounder, kept the 4th and taken Tariq Woolen, and taken Benford as a CB with potential to move over to safety. We'd be rich in CB's right now...

 

This is about as loaded of a WR draft as that draft was at CB, wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to trade back a little and take two on day 2 and another sleeper value on day 3 (Jalen Coker type)

I think if he takes two WR Day 2… then I hope they are both Top 50… 

[Roundybout]

1 hour ago, KDIGGZ said:

Option D : Trade all of your picks for the top RB in the draft

 

 

Russ Brandon is smiling up from hell 

[Beck Water]

4 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

yes, but Brown has a history of back issues and is a UFA next year.  It's possible we won't re-sign him 

 

Did you watch Josh's interview by any chance?

 

 

He was asked about losing so many captains and what guys he thought would step up and be looked to as the next leaders

 

He said he thinks guys who work hard and specifically go the extra bit are the ones who other guys naturally follow.  He specifically called out Dion Dawkins and Spencer Brown as two examples.

[Einstein's Dog]

1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Option 1:   Big Trade into top 10

Option 2:  Moderate move up for BTJ  + possible move up in Round 2

Option 3:  Trade back with CAR or WSH.  Come away with Two 2nds + 3rd  or even Three  2nds. 

(example: 28, 128, 160, 2025 2nd to CAR for 33, 39) 
                

Option 4:  Stay at 28 and hope you strike gold.  

Option 5:  Trade for a vet WR with a low draft pick and then trade back from 28 and with one of those pick up another WR.