Vacation thoughts: Can McD have a similar path as Belichick? (Don't laugh)

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, PBF81 said:

 

To counter, it's one thing to not win a Super Bowl without a great QB, it's another to fail miserably.  

 

In 11 seasons without Brady, his HOF QB, he posted losing records 8 times with unimpressive win totals of 4, 5, 5, 6, 7, 7, 7, and 8 wins.  49-81 total (.377) 

 

In two of the other three seasons he got absolutely dusted in the wild-card round, once by Bledsoe's Pats, a team/QB he could only go 5-11 with, and the other he didn't even make the playoffs, getting edged by Tony Sparano & Chad Pennington.  

 

 

 

This has been covered over and over.  Yeah,  HOF HCs without their HOF QBs struggle to win Super Bowls.  Alert the press...again.

 

 

Was Brady a HOF level QB when he was drafted?  His 1st season?  For those first 3 SB wins?  No he wasn't.

 

It's a "counter" not worth making.

 

 

 

[PBF81]

26 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

This has been covered over and over.  Yeah,  HOF HCs without their HOF QBs struggle to win Super Bowls.  Alert the press...again.

 

 

Was Brady a HOF level QB when he was drafted?  His 1st season?  For those first 3 SB wins?  No he wasn't.

 

It's a "counter" not worth making.

 

You've leapfrogged the point entirely.  

 

Great coaches don't posting seriously losing records simply because they don't have a HOF QB.  

 

Consider, our drought era generally posted better records than he did, routinely.  

 

With crap for QBs our coaches posted season wins of 9, 9, 8, 8, 8, 7, 7, 7, 7, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 5, 4, 3 

 

Conntrasted with BB's win totals of 4, 5, 5, 6, 7, 7, 7, and 8 wins, of 11 seasons, again, with miserable failures in the playoffs otherwise, once with crap for divisional foes, there's zero argument to suggest anything but failure.  

 

In 11 of BB's non-HOF-QB seasons he's posted 8 losing seasons and had win totals not significantly different from the litany of coaches during our drought era.  

 

Great coaches should at least be .500 to 10-6/7 even with average QBs.  

 

 

 

[Ghost_002!]

4 hours ago, PBF81 said:

 

You've leapfrogged the point entirely.  

 

Great coaches don't posting seriously losing records simply because they don't have a HOF QB.  

 

Consider, our drought era generally posted better records than he did, routinely.  

 

With crap for QBs our coaches posted season wins of 9, 9, 8, 8, 8, 7, 7, 7, 7, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 5, 4, 3 

 

Conntrasted with BB's win totals of 4, 5, 5, 6, 7, 7, 7, and 8 wins, of 11 seasons, again, with miserable failures in the playoffs otherwise, once with crap for divisional foes, there's zero argument to suggest anything but failure.  

 

In 11 of BB's non-HOF-QB seasons he's posted 8 losing seasons and had win totals not significantly different from the litany of coaches during our drought era.  

 

Great coaches should at least be .500 to 10-6/7 even with average QBs.  

 

 

 

 

 

Bill Walsh was about 17-24 without Montana.

[PBF81]

45 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

Bill Walsh was about 17-24 without Montana.

 

Entirely out of context and different circumstances. 

 

Take a look at Walsh's career and see if you can't identify why.  Seems as if you've already looked. 

 

 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

On 4/17/2024 at 1:15 PM, papazoid said:

show me an elite level head coach who did it without an elite level QB 

 

don't bother looking

 

the hoodie should have swallowed his pride and rode brady til his arm fell off. the bigger mistake was thinking you could do it without replacing him with an elite level QB.....thats where his arrogance cost em

Coughlin won two SuperBowls with the lesser Manning who was a great playoff QB but far from elite.

 

Harbaugh took Kaepernick to a NFC Championship and SuperBowl 

Doug Pederson won a SuperBowl with a scrap heap QB

I'd take both of them over McDermott 

 

 

 

Edited April 19 by Ethan in Cleveland

[Ethan in Cleveland]

No matter how the McDermott apologists want to spin it, the playoff failures have almost entirely been poor defensive play. Texans and all KC games the defense choked or never even showed up to play. Credit the D for the Ravens win no doubt about that. Colts win was even worse coaching by Reich. Nobody showed for the Bengals.

Allen and the offense has carried McDermott. 

Hope he proves me wrong, but if they don't make the SuperBowl this year McDermott has to go!

[Blackbeard]

30 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

No matter how the McDermott apologists want to spin it, the playoff failures have almost entirely been poor defensive play. Texans and all KC games the defense choked or never even showed up to play. Credit the D for the Ravens win no doubt about that. Colts win was even worse coaching by Reich. Nobody showed for the Bengals.

Allen and the offense has carried McDermott. 

Hope he proves me wrong, but if they don't make the SuperBowl this year McDermott has to go!

I think you’re focusing on a small bit of McDs career in that you’re looking at just a few specific games, albeit important ones. 
 

He’s had a top 5 defense for many years (around that level) and has done so usually with injuries and a sometimes makeshift line.