Who Should the Bills take at #28 (TSW Mock 2.0 2024) *Mitchell has been removed please revote!

[Virgil]

4 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

Ok I get it now 

 

personally in this epic WR class I’m going to that well 3 times. I’d go day 1, day 2 and day 3 because it’s such a deep and awesome class and it’s the position we need most. And lastly it’s the position outside of OT or pass rusher that costs the most to find really good Free agents so might as well just get cheap beasts in the draft 

I would’ve taken Franklin but since he has no chance I’ll go trade back and double dip at WR with 2 of our 3 second rounders 

 

If we somehow got Mitchell and Franklin, I would lose my mind with happiness. 

[section122]

38 minutes ago, Virgil said:

 

We have one trade back offer with the Packers: 

 

Green Bay would do 41 (490) and 58 (320) and 88 (150) for 28 (660) 60 (320) 

 

You good with closing the poll at 3p est?  I think we have enough information

 

Set to close at 3.  I narrowed it down to the 2 options if anyone feels strongly either way make sure you get in your vote.

 

Anyone who voted for any of the other options please recast your vote.

 

FWIW I would do that trade lol.

[Udubalum07]

20 minutes ago, Virgil said:

 

If we somehow got Mitchell and Franklin, I would lose my mind with happiness. 

I would throw Leggette in there.  If we got any combination of two out of those 3, I would be extremely happy. 

[NeverOutNick]

Is this really the value? 
 

Trade Back with Green Bay. Bills receive 41 (490) 58 (320) and 88 (150) Packers Receive 28 (660) 60 (320)

 

feel like we’re getting a late 3rd round pick to move back 13 spots to the middle of the second round. Beane would’ve done better 

[Virgil]

10 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

Is this really the value? 
 

Trade Back with Green Bay. Bills receive 41 (490) 58 (320) and 88 (150) Packers Receive 28 (660) 60 (320)

 

feel like we’re getting a late 3rd round pick to move back 13 spots to the middle of the second round. Beane would’ve done better 

 

The Bills would only be short by 20 points in trade value.  I did request another late round pick to balance it out. 

[MrEpsYtown]

3 minutes ago, Virgil said:

 

The Bills would only be short by 20 points in trade value.  I did request another late round pick to balance it out. 

 

14 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

Is this really the value? 
 

Trade Back with Green Bay. Bills receive 41 (490) 58 (320) and 88 (150) Packers Receive 28 (660) 60 (320)

 

feel like we’re getting a late 3rd round pick to move back 13 spots to the middle of the second round. Beane would’ve done better 

 

In theory, the Bills could use some of these extra picks late picks to move back up in that 35 range and they get back the 3rd rounder they lost in the Douglas trade. 

[NeverOutNick]

2 minutes ago, Virgil said:

 

The Bills would only be short by 20 points in trade value.  I did request another late round pick to balance it out. 

I’m not doubting your ability to make the value right because it makes sense but the eye test doesn’t feel right:

 

I see it as we’re giving up a first round player who we get to hold for 5 years to move back to mid second round so that we get one of the last picks in the 3rd round. It’s probably fair I just don’t know if it’s worth the risk of missing out on AD Mitchell or Troy Franklin. I guess we’ll see since I also voted for it over Leggette 

[Virgil]

The poll is now closed.  

 

The Bills trade #28 and #60 to the Packers for #41, #58, #88, and #169

 

4 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

I’m not doubting your ability to make the value right because it makes sense but the eye test doesn’t feel right:

 

I see it as we’re giving up a first round player who we get to hold for 5 years to move back to mid second round so that we get one of the last picks in the 3rd round. It’s probably fair I just don’t know if it’s worth the risk of missing out on AD Mitchell or Troy Franklin. I guess we’ll see since I also voted for it over Leggette 

 

We are literally going off the trade value chart, to be fair and consistent with all trades.

 

To me, there's players the Bills could take at 28 that will most likely be there in the trade back.  Yes, we lose that 5th year option, but we get a better position in round 2 and a 3rd rounder.  

 

With that trade, we can still get Franklin (whom the Bills have spent a lot of time with), and are in position to trade back up, or sit still and still get a starting S and DE/DT/OG (whichever you prefer).

 

If they can't trade up to get one of the big 3, I think this is a healthy plan B.

 

And don't forget, AD Mitchell would have been the pick.  This is just scenario 2

[julian]

So what is it.. 12 picks now ? That’s crazy

[Virgil]

5 minutes ago, julian said:

So what is it.. 12 picks now ? That’s crazy

 

Now I hope we have time for 3 rounds.  I would love to see the Bills trade back up again in the 2nd, or back and get more 3rd round picks.  

 

[OldTimer1960]

9 minutes ago, julian said:

So what is it.. 12 picks now ? That’s crazy

Most of that currency is nickels and pennies.  Counting the number of picks without regard to the total value is pretty meaningless.  The media hyped the whole “11 picks” thing.  In reality, the 11 picks they have combined are worth less than some other team’s first round pick on its own.

[julian]

7 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Most of that currency is nickels and pennies.  Counting the number of picks without regard to the total value is pretty meaningless.  The media hyped the whole “11 picks” thing.  In reality, the 11 picks they have combined are worth less than some other team’s first round pick on its own.

Yeah I agree, I’m just looking at a rookie class of 12 players and thinking that’s crazy, not sure what the record is for most players drafted in the 7 round era but 12 has to be close.

[No_Matter_What]

I love this result, it is at least good experiment to see what a trade down like this can mean and who can we miss out on. Or, on the other side, who we can still get lower. 41 is little too low for my taste but still a good exercise.

Edited April 12 by No_Matter_What

[Nephilim17]

58 and 60 are almost a wash. So this trade is about trading down 13 spots from 28 to 41 for the extra 88 pick.

If there's a guy you really like at 28, don't risk it; pull the trigger. If there's no one you're excited about, do it.

But I imagine Legette and maybe a couple other guys might be there and it's not worth it.

[H2o]

People would like to drop out of Round 1, 13 total spots, to move up 2 spots in Round 2 and then get the 24th pick of the 3rd Round? That would put GB @ #28 and then the rest seen below before we pick. You still think we would get an impact WR at that point? I don't. 

 

[BuffaloBillyG]

The New York Giants have heard the cries of Western NY. And we've also heard you're into a WR this year. We are fully willing to send Isiah Hodgins back to Buffalo for pick 28. Heck, being we're pals, I'll throw in Jordan Phillips as well. Let me know!

[FLFan]

1 hour ago, H2o said:

People would like to drop out of Round 1, 13 total spots, to move up 2 spots in Round 2 and then get the 24th pick of the 3rd Round? That would put GB @ #28 and then the rest seen below before we pick. You still think we would get an impact WR at that point? I don't. 

 

This does set them up perfectly for that rotational DL we have all been craving though.

[Warcodered]

4 hours ago, H2o said:

People would like to drop out of Round 1, 13 total spots, to move up 2 spots in Round 2 and then get the 24th pick of the 3rd Round? That would put GB @ #28 and then the rest seen below before we pick. You still think we would get an impact WR at that point? I don't. 

 

Yeah trading back made sense since it seemed like one of the guys they were looking at WR would still be there so do it and improve your position/get more capital in the draft deeper in. But moving back 13 feels like you're really flirting with missing one of the guys you're looking at.

Edited April 13 by Warcodered

[Alphadawg7]

3 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:

I think he’s going to go somewhere between 40-50 myself. I took him in the last mock because I wanted a high upside guy to go with Harrison or I would have gone McConkey 

 

Yeah, I remember, and I initially didn't like the pick because I thought there were corners at that spot they would certainly take ahead of them.  But I had forgotten AZ had 2 firsts and overlooked you already added a corner with their 2nd pick, so once you cleared that up and I realized I didn't see that then the WR pick made a lot more sense to me.

 

Although AZ has some real needs in a lot of spots like edge, DT, IOL, etc.  So it is gonna come down to how the draft falls.  I am running AZ now, and I traded back 2 spots from 4 to 6 (giving me Odunze) and adding an extra 3rd and 4th round pick.  Then at 27 I got a trade offer from KC moving back to 32 and adding yet another 3rd round pick.  

 

So now, I have 5 third round picks and 2 4ths plus the second rounder at 37 coming up.  With that much 3rd and 4th round ammo I may very well look WR here too depending on who else is there on DL and OL.  

 

Cardinals have a lot of draft ammo already with entering the draft with an additional first and two additional 3rds.  Giants are a potential trade back partner and they could add more quality picks and still get an elite WR.  At 27 there will be a lot on the board likely, so if they get someone wanting to come up, they can move back a little and still get a great pick at CB, DL, or IOL and add yet another quality pick this year.  

 

They are going to be a fun team to watch navigate the real draft if they do start to move around. 

[Low Positive]

2 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

The New York Giants have heard the cries of Western NY. And we've also heard you're into a WR this year. We are fully willing to send Isiah Hodgins back to Buffalo for pick 28. Heck, being we're pals, I'll throw in Jordan Phillips as well. Let me know!

No Boogie? No dice!