Reed83HOF Posted April 24 Posted April 24 2 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Yea this sucks. BTJ is one of my favorites. Allbright had Josh Allen didn't he? I think he was the only one who did Yes he did and I believe he was the o ly one. Albright is legit and this makes me sad 1 Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted April 24 Posted April 24 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Yes he did and I believe he was the o ly one. Albright is legit and this makes me sad His route running appears very underrated to me. He also does not shy away from contact and will at times fight for extra yards he mentioned in an interview wanting to show teams his football IQ. If he's smart, I'm sure the Bills have him as their WR4 or WR5 another bonus as mentioned in the clip is his return ability with the new KR rules... Let's assume the Bills either do a smallish trade up or stay put at 28 & take Xavier Worthy My immediate hope would be we move way up in Round 2 for Xavier Legette I'd sign up for that draft right now. Edited April 24 by Warriorspikes51 4 Quote
Reed83HOF Posted April 24 Posted April 24 1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said: His route running appears very underrated to me. He also does not shy away from contact and will at times fight for extra yards he mentioned in an interview wanting to show teams his football IQ. If he's smart, I'm sure the Bills have him as their WR4 or WR5 Odunze or bust guy here...no way we get to the other 2 imo.... This was our biggest need before trading Diggs and not swinging here is a mistake imo. The money we saved from trading him allows us to spend more money in UFA next offseason to plug safety and even C/IOL. I don't see Beane risking a McDuffie situation and those are a lot of targets to replace. An $8 million FA WR and Shakir and Kincaid is not enough. IIRC, the bust rates in the top wrs is low, while the bust rate in rd1 wrs is well the next tier down and reaching for speed. When WRs get paid with a QB, those 2 players are a third of the cap. This is a can't afford to miss position. I'm just not sure we can convince a team to drop all the way down to 28.... This place will burn down if KC makes a huge move up and we muddle around... 4 Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted April 24 Posted April 24 2 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Odunze or bust guy here...no way we get to the other 2 imo.... This was our biggest need before trading Diggs and not swinging here is a mistake imo. The money we saved from trading him allows us to spend more money in UFA next offseason to plug safety and even C/IOL. I don't see Beane risking a McDuffie situation and those are a lot of targets to replace. An $8 million FA WR and Shakir and Kincaid is not enough. IIRC, the bust rates in the top wrs is low, while the bust rate in rd1 wrs is well the next tier down and reaching for speed. When WRs get paid with a QB, those 2 players are a third of the cap. This is a can't afford to miss position. I'm just not sure we can convince a team to drop all the way down to 28.... This place will burn down if KC makes a huge move up and we muddle around... I like Worthy, but yes Odunze would be phenomenal. I also think if we manage to keep pick 60, we could land Troy Franklin to go with Odunze. 1 Quote
TheBeaneBandit Posted April 24 Posted April 24 10 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: His route running appears very underrated to me. He also does not shy away from contact and will at times fight for extra yards he mentioned in an interview wanting to show teams his football IQ. If he's smart, I'm sure the Bills have him as their WR4 or WR5 another bonus as mentioned in the clip is his return ability with the new KR rules... Let's assume the Bills either do a smallish trade up or stay put at 28 & take Xavier Worthy My immediate hope would be we move way up in Round 2 for Xavier Legette I'd sign up for that draft right now. That or imo they won't be able to get far enough up for Leggett.....but maybe Coleman. I nice 1b combo imo.😎 1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said: I like Worthy, but yes Odunze would be phenomenal. I also think if we manage to keep pick 60, we could land Troy Franklin to go with Odunze. No way any of Franklin, Leggett, or even Coleman to last anywhere near 60. 1 Quote
Aussie Joe Posted April 24 Posted April 24 2 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Odunze or bust guy here...no way we get to the other 2 imo.... This was our biggest need before trading Diggs and not swinging here is a mistake imo. The money we saved from trading him allows us to spend more money in UFA next offseason to plug safety and even C/IOL. I don't see Beane risking a McDuffie situation and those are a lot of targets to replace. An $8 million FA WR and Shakir and Kincaid is not enough. IIRC, the bust rates in the top wrs is low, while the bust rate in rd1 wrs is well the next tier down and reaching for speed. When WRs get paid with a QB, those 2 players are a third of the cap. This is a can't afford to miss position. I'm just not sure we can convince a team to drop all the way down to 28.... This place will burn down if KC makes a huge move up and we muddle around... Not seeing the logic .. One of the Top 10 has to move down to 28 … for essentially 2025 picks .. why not just take Odunze instead themselves if he is going to be such a difference maker? Or is he only a difference maker for the Bills? Quote
Reed83HOF Posted April 25 Posted April 25 53 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: I like Worthy, but yes Odunze would be phenomenal. I also think if we manage to keep pick 60, we could land Troy Franklin to go with Odunze. I'm conflicted this year because there is a lot of talent at WR in the draft. With Davis, I was fine a roll player WR replacement. I will admit that I was also hoping for a bigger move to eventually replace Diggs in 2 years, but I'm not sure I was willing to sell the farm for it. The Diggs move did change a lot on my perspective. I'm certainly for the we need to get younger, clean the cap up and re-tool. We couldn't run it back again because that iteration of our team was not good enough. The reality is we are entering Allen prime. I just can't see us taking a guy that will need a year or 2 to develop and honestly waste those 2 years. The WR room has 2 number 3s right now and Kincaid. That isn't enough and I'm not sold on not having a go to #1, it just opens up much more for an offense. The case and point for defense, I guess where I sit with that is load up on the secondary. I can almost never justify a first round pick on a safety, especially in our defensive system. I think you can find decent players in FA and the second round and lower. When it comes to a pass rushing end, how often does Mahomes get sacked in the post season? Or even pressured enough to make a mistake? It feels like having great cover guys may be the better option than trying to get him on the ground. The other point is, you have to score everytime you have the ball, you just do. It all leads me back to you have to do what you can to move up and get that guy who you can have 5 great years with allen. I hesitate for the trade for Aiuk since all of the cap space you would have for 5 years is gone (again). For Jefferson, I begrudgingly would do it...but I need to still win now and don't want to wait for the development time. If I move next year's 1, you bet I want it to be 28 or later. We have $10m in cap space coming back June 1 and can get a few other pieces to fill out the team. And next year use FA to further fill the holes. It just feels like this is the year to swing big again. I do wonder if Spencer Brown is a trade chip. One year left and we do like our back up Van Dermark, plus Collins makes me think he is a deal sweetener... Feels like a tough place to be right now 1 Quote
Dan in Owego Posted April 25 Posted April 25 1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said: His route running appears very underrated to me. He also does not shy away from contact and will at times fight for extra yards he mentioned in an interview wanting to show teams his football IQ. If he's smart, I'm sure the Bills have him as their WR4 or WR5 another bonus as mentioned in the clip is his return ability with the new KR rules... Let's assume the Bills either do a smallish trade up or stay put at 28 & take Xavier Worthy My immediate hope would be we move way up in Round 2 for Xavier Legette I'd sign up for that draft right now. I am sure to be in the minority, but i would take Franklin all day every day over worthy. 1 1 1 Quote
Reed83HOF Posted April 25 Posted April 25 1 hour ago, Aussie Joe said: Not seeing the logic .. One of the Top 10 has to move down to 28 … for essentially 2025 picks .. why not just take Odunze instead themselves if he is going to be such a difference maker? Or is he only a difference maker for the Bills? Take the bears for instance they have 4 picks and tons of holes to fill, more picks to flesh out their roster and to actually get some talent in the building. The titans are under going a full rebuild and need drafts picks to well rebuild. Those are 2 top 10 teams that could use as many picks as possible. You could through NYG in as well, they have 6 picks. Could all those teams use a wr, yeah, but they value OL, QB even more. The Bears can also easily grab a wr at the top of rd 2... the giants will trade for Aiuk imo if they get a QB... More realistic is getting your teams in the teens to slide back... Odunze is easier to grab than Nabers or MHJr. I just can't see us getting to 4 or even 5 with the chargers. I do think the jets will try to move to the Chargers to get a WR (even though the should be looking at OL). I do think Spencer Brown could be a player included, last year of his deal (are we really going to pay 2 tackles?) We love Van Dermark and signed Collins. Is that enough to get someone to bite? Late first is also good CB territory as well. Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 25 Posted April 25 6 minutes ago, Dan in Owego said: I am sure to be in the minority, but i would take Franklin all day every day over worthy. Not sure about that. Quote
Dr. Who Posted April 25 Posted April 25 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: I'm conflicted this year because there is a lot of talent at WR in the draft. With Davis, I was fine a roll player WR replacement. I will admit that I was also hoping for a bigger move to eventually replace Diggs in 2 years, but I'm not sure I was willing to sell the farm for it. The Diggs move did change a lot on my perspective. I'm certainly for the we need to get younger, clean the cap up and re-tool. We couldn't run it back again because that iteration of our team was not good enough. The reality is we are entering Allen prime. I just can't see us taking a guy that will need a year or 2 to develop and honestly waste those 2 years. The WR room has 2 number 3s right now and Kincaid. That isn't enough and I'm not sold on not having a go to #1, it just opens up much more for an offense. The case and point for defense, I guess where I sit with that is load up on the secondary. I can almost never justify a first round pick on a safety, especially in our defensive system. I think you can find decent players in FA and the second round and lower. When it comes to a pass rushing end, how often does Mahomes get sacked in the post season? Or even pressured enough to make a mistake? It feels like having great cover guys may be the better option than trying to get him on the ground. The other point is, you have to score everytime you have the ball, you just do. It all leads me back to you have to do what you can to move up and get that guy who you can have 5 great years with allen. I hesitate for the trade for Aiuk since all of the cap space you would have for 5 years is gone (again). For Jefferson, I begrudgingly would do it...but I need to still win now and don't want to wait for the development time. If I move next year's 1, you bet I want it to be 28 or later. We have $10m in cap space coming back June 1 and can get a few other pieces to fill out the team. And next year use FA to further fill the holes. It just feels like this is the year to swing big again. I do wonder if Spencer Brown is a trade chip. One year left and we do like our back up Van Dermark, plus Collins makes me think he is a deal sweetener... Feels like a tough place to be right now Van Demark has played well at LT in the pre-season, so maybe there's some hope there, but I don't think he's shown well in limited time at RT, actually. Collins is pretty washed and a backup at best. Using Brown in a trade up means you are losing two starters from the best Oline the Bills have had in years, and it was only pretty good. In short, I think that is a pretty awful move to use Brown as a chip to move up. Beane put himself in this position by trading Diggs, but before that, by not investing sufficiently at WR. I think it will be hard to get any of the top 3, and expensive to get the fourth. The WR room has to be addressed, though, so I guess we'll see how much of a wizard our GM really is. Edited April 25 by Dr. Who 2 Quote
BillsVet Posted April 25 Posted April 25 All this subterfuge about Thomas fed to sports media types talking to team executives. I can't believe people don't know how this works after years of these late reports/issues for a particular player. 1 Quote
Reed83HOF Posted April 25 Posted April 25 1 minute ago, Dr. Who said: Van Demark has played well at LT in the pre-season, so maybe there's some hope there, but I don't think he's shown well in limited time at RT, actually. Collins is pretty washed and a backup at best. Using Brown in a trade up means you are losing two starters from the best Oline the Bills have had in years, and it was only pretty good. In short, I think that is a pretty awful move to use Brown as a chip to move up. Beane put himself in this position by trading Diggs, but before that, by not investing sufficient at WR. I think it will be hard to get any of the top 3, and expensive to get the fourth. The WR room has to be addressed, though, so I guess we'll see how much of a wizard our GM really is. Don't disagree with any of this, just trying to think of can a player be used a trade bait with what we realistically have that has some degree of value (not Elam). Where i get to is we have been close but not close enough to beating KC and now is one of the times to swing big to make our offense that much better and harder to defend. We have Josh allen and we will almost always be picking in the late 20s, on a serious note what does next year's 26 through 32 pick do for us? This is the year to go big imo and how do we sweeten it enough? Quote
Aussie Joe Posted April 25 Posted April 25 BTJ falling … Beane putting out that busted shoulder rumour paying off 1 Quote
Roundybout Posted April 25 Posted April 25 2 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: I don’t think Jets go WR. I see Bowers going there, though, they don’t really have a TE weapon. Quote
Thrivefourfive Posted April 25 Posted April 25 Just want to say, regardless of Diggs being here or not, the Bills still need to draft a top WR. It’s been said the past two drafts. We all knew Diggs was going to blow up or decline. Davis was on a white hot seat after 2022, and we knew the WR1B was supposed to get drafted and replace Diggs. Honestly don’t think Diggs trade changes anything regarding drafting a top WR now. Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 25 Posted April 25 Just now, Thrivefourfive said: Just want to say, regardless of Diggs being here or not, the Bills still need to draft a top WR. It’s been said the past two drafts. We all knew Diggs was going to blow up or decline. Davis was on a white hot seat after 2022, and we knew the WR1B was supposed to get drafted and replace Diggs. Honestly don’t think Diggs trade changes anything regarding drafting a top WR now. I’m not really sure what the Bills were thinking last draft process. They must not have had any thought that Davis and Diggs would be gone by 2024. 1 Quote
TOboy Posted April 25 Posted April 25 11 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Here’s hoping DJ got our pick right! 1 Quote
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