stinky finger Posted April 16 Posted April 16 8 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I've had this feeling about the Giants and a Quarterback for a while. But equally if you are sitting there at #6 and you have a specific receiver preference why not let it be known that you are looking at QBs to try and encourage Minnesota or Denver or the Raiders to trade up ahead of you into #4 or #5 which takes a potential wide receiver team out of your way and increases the chances your guy gets to #6. Schoen ain’t no Beane. 1 Quote
GunnerBill Posted April 16 Posted April 16 8 minutes ago, stinky finger said: Schoen ain’t no Beane. The take I heard when Schoen was here from people inside and close to it was always he is the best pure evaluator on the staff but he doesn't have Beane's strategic brain. And as we know there is more to being a good GM than just being able to spot a good player. 2 2 Quote
GunnerBill Posted April 16 Posted April 16 37 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: The best defensive player in the draft. 2 1 Quote
Royale with Cheese Posted April 16 Posted April 16 10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: The best defensive player in the draft. If we got him in the 1st, trade back up later to grab Ladd McConkey....would that make your trousers happy? 1 2 1 Quote
OldTimer1960 Posted April 16 Posted April 16 49 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: This would be a really good player at pick 28 - probably a considerably better prospect than the wr they are considering 1 Quote
BarleyNY Posted April 16 Posted April 16 7 hours ago, JerseyBills said: Schoen should do whatever it takes to get HIS QB. Just like Buf did in a similar class with 4 -5 elite prospects They didn't draft Jones and can get out that deal next year. Thank God they took Saquon in 17 First and foremost, Schoen should trust his evaluations of the QBs in this draft. One of the worst things a GM can do is to allow need to distort his evaluation of a player - especially a QB. Just because you have a need doesn't mean that there's a player who can fill it. It happens every year though. Honestly, their best option might be to tank this season after they acquire more draft capital in the 2025 draft so they can get their guy then. 1 Quote
GunnerBill Posted April 16 Posted April 16 5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: If we got him in the 1st, trade back up later to grab Ladd McConkey....would that make your trousers happy? I love Newton I just don't know how the Bills extract maximum value from him and Ed Oliver. Can this team afford to spend a 1st roind pick on a guy who plays the same position as their best defensive player? I don't know. To be honest I don't think Newton will be there anyway. So it is all moot. 4 Quote
BarleyNY Posted April 16 Posted April 16 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Dolphins GM says he doesn’t have 21 1st round grades. There are some QBs without first round grades that will be going before 21. I've heard multiple people say that they have (or have heard that there are) 20 players with 1st round grades. Quote
Royale with Cheese Posted April 16 Posted April 16 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I love Newton I just don't know how the Bills extract maximum value from him and Ed Oliver. Can this team afford to spend a 1st roind pick on a guy who plays the same position as their best defensive player? I don't know. To be honest I don't think Newton will be there anyway. So it is all moot. I think you could figure out a way to get him on the field with Oliver a lot. Quote
MikePJ76 Posted April 16 Posted April 16 18 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: They get back a 3rd. yea that is not a good trade. This team needs that 2nd round pick really bad. Dan Fetes had some ideas that make some sense today on buffalo plus but no team will go for it...He was trading 60 and next years 1st rounder to get another 1st rounder this year. so they would have 28 plus another first and no 2nd or 3rd. That seemingly will never happen and also trading away next years 1 is as crazy to me as not having 60 this year when they draft. Quote
DJB Posted April 16 Posted April 16 25 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: First and foremost, Schoen should trust his evaluations of the QBs in this draft. One of the worst things a GM can do is to allow need to distort his evaluation of a player - especially a QB. Just because you have a need doesn't mean that there's a player who can fill it. It happens every year though. Honestly, their best option might be to tank this season after they acquire more draft capital in the 2025 draft so they can get their guy then. Problem is that the 2025 QB class is trash Quote
BarleyNY Posted April 16 Posted April 16 5 minutes ago, DJB said: Problem is that the 2025 QB class is trash I haven't really looked at it, but how much worse is it than QB4 in this draft? Quote
TheBeaneBandit Posted April 16 Posted April 16 43 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: If we got him in the 1st, trade back up later to grab Ladd McConkey....would that make your trousers happy? How about this: trade a second next year for Aiyuk and then trade up in the second this year for someone like Coleman or legette or another deep threat receiver in this draft to compliment him. That would be a grand slam. On top of lending someone like Newton who would be a terror with Oliver on 2nd and 3rd and lungs if they decided to play them at the same time. 1 Quote
DJB Posted April 16 Posted April 16 23 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: I haven't really looked at it, but how much worse is it than QB4 in this draft? Worse in my opinion but it’s still early and at this time last year not many were talking about Daniel’s as a high end QB so things do change. I also think if you are in the range to draft a possible franchise QB and you need one you need to take that chance . Next year is not always a guarantee Quote
BarleyNY Posted April 16 Posted April 16 (edited) 1 hour ago, DJB said: Worse in my opinion but it’s still early and at this time last year not many were talking about Daniel’s as a high end QB so things do change. I also think if you are in the range to draft a possible franchise QB and you need one you need to take that chance . Next year is not always a guarantee I think it depends on which prospects are within range this year. I wouldn’t force it if I were Daboll or Schoen, especially since I don’t think that their jobs are on the line. Edited April 16 by BarleyNY Quote
MikePJ76 Posted April 16 Posted April 16 2 hours ago, TheBeaneBandit said: How about this: trade a second next year for Aiyuk and then trade up in the second this year for someone like Coleman or legette or another deep threat receiver in this draft to compliment him. That would be a grand slam. On top of lending someone like Newton who would be a terror with Oliver on 2nd and 3rd and lungs if they decided to play them at the same time. Instead of spending draft capital. I think a solid plan would be to go to Michael Gallup and give him a 1 or 2 year deal, he won't cost that much. He is similar to Gabe Davis and can step right into his role. This guarantees they have a big sideline guy to play the x. Gallup if healthy all year could have a very good year with this team. Then draft the Best player available at 28 and then again at 60. One of these two picks will be a wr. Then they will have some capable young veteran wr's and a young developing player in the wr room to go along with two good tight ends, a couple of good backs and a good offensive line. and most importantly they go into next year with an already capable team, a bunch of new cap space and 4 good picks. Those picks next year can turn into 4 young cheap players who put the team over the top. I hate the idea of trading away next years picks and I absolutely can not understand people willing to trade 60 to move up an then have no 2nd or 3rd rounder this year. 1 2 Quote
gonzo1105 Posted April 16 Posted April 16 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I love Newton I just don't know how the Bills extract maximum value from him and Ed Oliver. Can this team afford to spend a 1st roind pick on a guy who plays the same position as their best defensive player? I don't know. To be honest I don't think Newton will be there anyway. So it is all moot. I know this is going to sound kind of crazy but I think I’d try him out at the Edge some in certain packages and bump him inside with Oliver for a NASCAR type package on passing downs. He’s athletic enough and could honestly say he could be better than Darius Robinson at DE. I just worry about his length. It’s a reach for sure but it’s how I would maximize his value. Give him 30% of Oliver’s snaps, 10-15% of the DE snaps and another 10-15% as a 1 Tech next to Oliver on passing downs Quote
Aussie Joe Posted April 16 Posted April 16 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: The best defensive player in the draft. Seems to be falling in some mocks… yeah I know … mocks right … but starting to wonder if there is something negative out there ? Quote
gonzo1105 Posted April 16 Posted April 16 1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said: Seems to be falling in some mocks… yeah I know … mocks right … but starting to wonder if there is something negative out there ? Smaller size. He’ll be the # 2 DT off the board just because Murphy is bigger 1 Quote
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