OJ Simpson dead at 76

[mannc]

11 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

not by a jury, no.

 

But the above examples would be presented in court during trial or even years later.  Charges are dropped or sentences vacated after being proven in court to be actually innocent.

Typically, such evidence would be presented to an appellate court…

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, mannc said:

Typically, such evidence would be presented to an appellate court…

if not initially at trial yes.

 

court none the less

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

22 hours ago, Fleezoid said:

And of course, the infamous White Ford Bronco. What became of it? Read on.....

 

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/the-moment-oj-simpson-made-the-ford-bronco-the-most-hated-car-in-the-world-232289.html

 

The following line near the end of the article is actually disputed in another article claiming the incident wasn't the reason for discontinuing the Bronco and that sales actually spiked for a couple years after the trial.

 

"Ford discontinued the Bronco after the trial due to the sales figures collapsing. Ford always denied that their decision had any connection with the murder case."
 

I recall reading in multiple books regarding the case that there were two white Ford Broncos.  The one Simpson was in possession of was actually owned by Hertz, and was the vehicle found parked outside of the Rockingham house by police when they arrived to inform Simpson of his wife's death.  That Bronco was supposedly exhibiting evidence of blood on the interior, which prompted police to impound it.

 

The other white Bronco was indeed under the care and control of Al Cowlings, but I do not recall if he owned it, leased it, or had some deal with a rental company or car dealership over using it.  This was the vehicle involved in Simpson's flight and low speed chase.  The article's author might want to check this, but it's the internet.  The facts aren't important. 🤨

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"O.J.’s Bronco — the one parked outside his house, with the blood, had the license plate number 3CWZ788. Jeffrey Toobin’s “The Run of His Life,” which inspired the FX miniseries, tells us that Cowlings’ Bronco had the license plate number 3DHY503. The Bronco featured in the miniseries has a different license number to either Simpson’s or Cowlings’ Broncos, because it’s Hollywood.

Toobin’s book also reports that when detectives first checked the plates for Simpson’s Bronco, on the night of the killings, “they came back to the Hertz Corporation, whose products Simpson had long endorsed.” Additionally, the real-life witness on the show who saw the Bronco racing from the direction of the murder scene on the night of the murders remembered the license number, though she was slightly off."

 

- From the article 'OJ Fact Check: Two White Broncos?', by Tim Molloy, The Wrap, February 9, 2016.

[49er Fan]

1 hour ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

I recall reading in multiple books regarding the case that there were two white Ford Broncos.  The one Simpson was in possession of was actually owned by Hertz, and was the vehicle found parked outside of the Rockingham house by police when they arrived to inform Simpson of his wife's death.  That Bronco was supposedly exhibiting evidence of blood on the interior, which prompted police to impound it.

 

The other white Bronco was indeed under the care and control of Al Cowlings, but I do not recall if he owned it, leased it, or had some deal with a rental company or car dealership over using it.  This was the vehicle involved in Simpson's flight and low speed chase.  The article's author might want to check this, but it's the internet.  The facts aren't important. 🤨

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"O.J.’s Bronco — the one parked outside his house, with the blood, had the license plate number 3CWZ788. Jeffrey Toobin’s “The Run of His Life,” which inspired the FX miniseries, tells us that Cowlings’ Bronco had the license plate number 3DHY503. The Bronco featured in the miniseries has a different license number to either Simpson’s or Cowlings’ Broncos, because it’s Hollywood.

Toobin’s book also reports that when detectives first checked the plates for Simpson’s Bronco, on the night of the killings, “they came back to the Hertz Corporation, whose products Simpson had long endorsed.” Additionally, the real-life witness on the show who saw the Bronco racing from the direction of the murder scene on the night of the murders remembered the license number, though she was slightly off."

 

- From the article 'OJ Fact Check: Two White Broncos?', by Tim Molloy, The Wrap, February 9, 2016.

I read Toobin’s book over the weekend and it definitely has some interesting info about the pre-trial focus group data the prosecution was offered during jury selection - but disregarded because of their perceived strength of the physical evidence they were planning to show - especially with regard to prospective Black female jurors, like:

 

- Believing that Simpson was less likely to have killed his wife because he excelled at football

 

-That it’s generally okay for a husband to hit his wife during arguments

 

-Very little sympathy for Simpson’s slain wife, who was white and blonde

 

-An extreme and even visceral hatred for lead prosecutor Marcia Clark

 

[hondo in seattle]

On 4/12/2024 at 6:30 PM, TheCockSportif said:

During the machinations of OJ's criminal trial, I was dating a wildly inappropriate woman -- which tracks, because at the time I was also wildly inappropriate.  Everybody hated everybody so there was parity.

 

I happened to snark on dinner night (one night, with her family) that OJ would have his charges reduced to a noisy muffler infraction, and a short time later, there we were.  I was wrong in premise, but I was also right that literally zero would happen to him in that criminal trial.

 

The judge was an attention seeker, the lead detective an avowed racist, the assistant DA a (former?) stripper (that was real, right?), Kato, useless witnesses, a circus of a trial, a glove did not fit, and jeez, like so many others I came to understand that OJ had literally gotten away with not one, but two -- TWO! -- murders.

 

 

 

 

Also, I think OJ's less famous lawyer, Barry Sheck, convinced the juror that a lot of the forensic evidence wasn't credible.  

 

And while some might dispute Sheck's forensic competency, let's remember he was performing for a juror that did not think police officers or forensic experts were particularly credible in the first place. 

[Chandler#81]

Amazing that our 1st ever HOFer has been dead almost a week and still no word from the team. My! How the mighty have fallen!

[Mike in Horseheads]

1 hour ago, Chandler#81 said:

Amazing that our 1st ever HOFer has been dead almost a week and still no word from the team. My! How the mighty have fallen!

They should have written a quick thing at least about his football in Buffalo and his trade to the 49ers

[Augie]

13 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

They should have written a quick thing at least about his football in Buffalo and his trade to the 49ers

 

I don’t disagree, but either way they were going to lose. That’s just how it works. Someone will find a way……. 🤷‍♂️

[Mr. WEO]

[Sweats]

All i know is when that white Ford Bronco was involved in that low-speed chase with every cop in L.A. following him, that was some of the best television i have seen in years.

 

In fact, i remember that me, my wife and my buddies were crowded around the t.v. just waiting for anything to happen. We drank beer all evening and ordered pizza and when the pizza guy showed up, he knew exactly what we were doing cause everyone in town was ordering pizza and glued to the television.

 

I was really hoping for a shootout.....

[DJB]

I had no idea that TBD had so many lawyers, judges and forensic analysts that posted on here 

[Just Jack]

6 hours ago, DJB said:

I had no idea that TBD had so many lawyers, judges and forensic analysts that posted on here 

 

We are also experts in stadium engineering/construction, sales techniques, and contract law. 

[Mike in Horseheads]

2 minutes ago, Just Jack said:

 

We are also experts in stadium engineering/construction, sales techniques, and contract law. 

Don't forget the TBD Medical team, TBD Meterology  etc etc

[Augie]

7 hours ago, Sweats said:

All i know is when that white Ford Bronco was involved in that low-speed chase with every cop in L.A. following him, that was some of the best television i have seen in years.

 

In fact, i remember that me, my wife and my buddies were crowded around the t.v. just waiting for anything to happen. We drank beer all evening and ordered pizza and when the pizza guy showed up, he knew exactly what we were doing cause everyone in town was ordering pizza and glued to the television.

 

I was really hoping for a shootout.....

 

I was in Boston with my wife and got together with an old friend for dinner with our wives. We were at some revolving rooftop restaurant of a hotel. We watched at their place before going out, then kept asking the waitress for updates. We ended up in the kitchen of this restaurant watching on a 10” TV. Surreal memory. 

 

It was one of those “where were you when?” situations. 

[Augie]

@Chandler#81

 

I was reliving that on a text thread with two other Bills fans, one of whom was the guy at the restaurant with me that night. The other guy I’ve never met in person, but they are super close friends. The third guy had a similar experience watching in a restaurant on TV, until the whole thing rolled right past his restaurant in LA. Everyone there had been watching on TV then they realized where it was going. They all lined up against the windows as OJ rolled by right past them. 

 

That was a very cool one up.  😋

[WotAGuy]

3 hours ago, Just Jack said:

 

We are also experts in stadium engineering/construction, sales techniques, and contract law. 

Don’t forget economics, buyer psychology, football fan rights and being  condescending. 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

3 hours ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

Don't forget the TBD Medical team, TBD Meterology  etc etc

Let's not forget orthopedic surgeons, doctors and neurologists that chime in every time a player gets hurt

[Mr. WEO]

20 hours ago, DJB said:

I had no idea that TBD had so many lawyers, judges and forensic analysts that posted on here 

 

 

That case didn't require much of any of those...

[Matt_In_NH]

On 4/13/2024 at 10:36 PM, WotAGuy said:

“Not convicted” is probably most accurate in this case. 

The phrase “not guilty” in a criminal trial is confusing and many don’t know what it actually means because those two words seems to indicate innocent.  It needs more context, specifically that you are required to assume the defendant is innocent unless the prosecution shows enough evidence to confirm they are guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.   In OJs case I think the jury decided reasonable doubt was that the police were raciat and could have planted the evidence.  The evidence was damning but they were able to show blood was missing or unaccounted for and it could have been used to plant evidence.  

[4th&long]

If anyone wants our cares anymore, there has been a lot on tv about the case since oj dropped dead. I was watching one where the lead investigator and the M.e. Walked you thru the evidence that WASAN’T presented at trial. Things they were wanting Clark to bring out and telling her to in some instances. Even things that would have countered the police were biased or framing oj. 
 

The bottom line is the guy did it and got away with it.

 He went there to kill her and Ron came in at the wrong time. Ron fought like hell and lost.

 

I feel for the Goldman family and now oj’s lawyers who will be the executor of the will is trying to crap on them. Thankfully the courts will prevent that!