Milano as trade compensation

[wppete]

One of the worse ideas I have heard in a very long time and there have been many on here…. Next we will start talking about trading Josh Allen 🙄. 

[4merper4mer]

  On 4/11/2024 at 1:05 PM, BeastMaster said:

 

 

As the OP eluded to...Matt Milano has had some trouble with injuries, and he's likely trending on the backend of his prime.

 

 

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I don’t think he was eluding to it. I think he was very direct.

[Bills!Win!]

We should just trade all of our good players if we trade Milano

[HaldimandBills]

You guys do know that you wouldn't receive much more for Milano than what you received for Ryan Bates right? 

 

What world do you guys live in where you think Milano would go for anything more than a late 4th? 30 year old off ball linebackers are simply not a sought after position in the NFL. 

 

Long story short. Milano means 100 times more to the Buffalo Bills than any other NFL defense.

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

After the Diggs trade I hesitate to call any Bills contract 'untradeable'....but Milano is untradeable.

 

He has a 12.4mm active cap hit for the 2024 season. That turns into 25.2mm dead cap if we trade him prior to June 1st. It's 7.9mm dead cap in 2024 and 17.3mm dead cap in 2025 if it's a post June 1st trade.  

 

I think we'd need at least a 1st rd pick to make a Milano trade feasible, and what GM in their right mind is offering a 1st for a 29 year old LB coming off a major injury?

[BarleyNY]

  On 4/11/2024 at 12:54 PM, Sharky7337 said:

Matt Milano. 

 

The all pro best LB on the roster, whos replacement was already drafted.  Would it be crazy for them to trade him now on an attempt to move up? Possibly.

 

But he has had some availability issues over the years. And the negative is him coming off a knee injury, but otherwise this would be a perfect sell high moment.

 

If a team was willing, it would be perhaps the best way to move up without sacrificing a boatload of future picks 

 

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I had the same thought, but no. Two reasons. Contract. We don’t have the room to absorb his dead money. Also not coming off of that injury. Teams would need to know what they’d be getting in a trade and they wouldn’t. Otherwise it would be something to consider as he’s 30 before this season. 

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[LABILLBACKER]

  On 4/11/2024 at 1:24 PM, Mister Defense said:

May be, but I hope not.  He is possibly the best defensive player on the Bills.

 

Dawson Knox is a more likely trade candidate, I think, especially if it helps the Bills move up to get the player they want--and if the team is willing to pay a high percentage of Knox's salary.

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Exactly,  you can trade Knox all day long as far as I'm concerned.  But Milano is still too valuable to our defense. The biggest question mark is how he looks post injury?

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

  On 4/11/2024 at 1:49 PM, JerseyBills said:

Bernards a stud. Can't see how they wouldn't be super confident in him. Played like a pro bowler/borderline all pro. 

 

Regardless of how they feel on Williams,  no chance they move Milano. It's not like he's coming off an acl. He'll be ready for all off season programs.

I personally do love Williams as depth though but Milano in another level,  and a top 3 LB on a reasonable contract.

 

Remember folks, we get over 10 mil on the cap after 6/1 from Tres release 

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I liked Bernard because he saw the field in a way that lead to pass breakups and turnovers.  Edmunds was a good player, and his ability to take away passing lanes likely results in the QB holding the ball which forces sacks and throwaways.  He just never developed that instinctual nature that milano and bernard possess (and all the great off ball linebackers have).

  On 4/11/2024 at 1:58 PM, LABILLBACKER said:

Exactly,  you can trade Knox all day long as far as I'm concerned.  But Milano is still too valuable to our defense. The biggest question mark is how he looks post injury?

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I think you would get more out of trading spencer brown.  Low cap hit for 2024 (most teams have spent a lot of their cap budgets to this point in the season), he's 26, and he's due an extension in 2025.  It'd be basically like moving a potential comp pick from 2026 to today - but considering we'll likely be spenders in 2025, you would potentially be losing him for nothing.  This assumes you are comfortable with collins or van demark at RT.  

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[Simon]

  On 4/11/2024 at 2:00 PM, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

I liked Bernard because he saw the field in a way that lead to pass breakups and turnovers.  Edmunds was a good player, and his ability to take away passing lanes likely results in the QB holding the ball which forces sacks and throwaways.  He just never developed that instinctual nature that milano and bernard possess (and all the great off ball linebackers have).

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I agree this is true, but I also think Edmunds was just not as good an athlete as the other two guys.

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

Would it be crazy?

 

Yes.

 

Next question

[Warcodered]

Started to see Milano and Bernard becoming a terrifying duo last year why would we want to see that again, I just don't get some of these ideas.

[JMM]

Why not package Milano AND Josh for the number one overall...🙄🙄🙄🙄

[Sharky7337]

  On 4/11/2024 at 1:54 PM, Bills!Win! said:

We should just trade all of our good players if we trade Milano

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We pretty much cut all of them already of traded them and or didn't re sign. Lol

  On 4/11/2024 at 2:10 PM, Warcodered said:

Started to see Milano and Bernard becoming a terrifying duo last year why would we want to see that again, I just don't get some of these ideas.

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Because it's clear the young guy behind him has potential, is cheaper, and younger, and we already have played like two seasons without him for significant portions anyways.

[warrior9]

  On 4/11/2024 at 1:05 PM, BuffaloRebound said:

Doubt he’s worth more than a 4th/5th rounder at this point.  LB’s who don’t have double digit sack numbers aren’t valued very highly in today’s NFL.  I’ll be glad to have him back, but likely his best days are behind him.  

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This is so untrue.

 

https://deadspin.com/2023-nfl-sacks-leaders-1850875599 

 

Of the names on here. The only two "real" LBs who don't put their hand in the ground is Hassan Reddick and Josh Allen but even they does some times. Roquan Smith isn't on there, no value? Fred Warner not on there, no value? Dre Greenlaw, Quincy Williams, CJ Mosley.... Milano ..  Cmon man.  

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[Beck Water]

  On 4/11/2024 at 2:04 PM, Simon said:

 

I agree this is true, but I also think Edmunds was just not as good an athlete as the other two guys.

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To be truthful, I don't think Edmunds enjoyed contact.

 

Mitch Morse said about Josh Allen that "he's sick in the head because he likes it" (meaning contact, running people over, taking a good hit).  Richard Sherman talked about the first time he went to tackle Josh Allen, Josh lowered his shoulder and Sherman was thinking "oh, OK now, you the QB and you're going to lower your shoulder, let's go".   He said "next thing I know, I'm on the ground, you see them little blinks".

 

You would know more than me, but I've heard football players talk about the buzz they get from contact, it goes white, "you see them little blinks", it's an adrenaline rush.  They all get desensitized to the pain of contact where instead of taking over their nervous system with a rush of sensation, the brain says "OK, no injury there, Carry On", but the ones who play with joy and abandon actually get something enjoyable from a good hit.  "You need a little contact"

 

I could be wrong, I just don't think Edmunds ever enjoyed or got into hitting or taking hits.  Whereas you can tell Bernard and Williams are "Bring It!". 

Taylor Rapp is a bit *TOO* "bring it!".

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

  On 4/11/2024 at 2:14 PM, Beck Water said:

 

To be truthful, I don't think Edmunds enjoyed contact.

 

Mitch Morse said about Josh Allen that "he's sick in the head because he likes it" (meaning contact, running people over, taking a good hit).  Richard Sherman talked about the first time he went to tackle Josh Allen, Josh lowered his shoulder and Sherman was thinking "oh, OK now, you the QB and you're going to lower your shoulder, let's go".   He said "next thing I know, I'm on the ground, you see them little blinks".

 

You would know more than me, but I've heard football players talk about the buzz they get from contact, it goes white, "you see them little blinks", it's an adrenaline rush.  They all get desensitized to the pain of contact where instead of taking over their nervous system with a rush of sensation, the brain says "OK, no injury there, Carry On", but the ones who play with joy and abandon actually get something enjoyable from a good hit.  "You need a little contact"

 

I could be wrong, I just don't think Edmunds ever enjoyed or got into hitting or taking hits.  Whereas you can tell Bernard and Williams are "Bring It!". 

Taylor Rapp is a bit *TOO* "bring it!".

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Part of why safety in the 2nd is still very much in play IMO. 

[Augie]

  On 4/11/2024 at 2:10 PM, Warcodered said:

Started to see Milano and Bernard becoming a terrifying duo last year why would we want to see that again, I just don't get some of these ideas.

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So, you don’t like the idea of giving away one of our most impactful players on the team for a bag of used balls? He’s a fit for our scheme, and he’s coming off significant injury reducing his trade value. I’d rather let him get healthy and help us win games. 

[Kirby Jackson]

The Bills have 2 stars on the team if Milano is healthy. We are suggesting that we trade one of those 2? 

[Warcodered]

  On 4/11/2024 at 2:11 PM, Sharky7337 said:

Because it's clear the young guy behind him has potential, is cheaper, and younger, and we already have played like two seasons without him for significant portions anyways.

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This isn't accurate across his entire career Milano has missed 19/115 games and that's including end of the season games where he's a healthy scratch because seeding was already decided. As for Williams his potential to fit in a similar way is nice but that's about all it is at this point just us talking about it, which isn't something I'd like to rely on.

[gonzo1105]

To me the idea isn’t awful awful but really to me the value has to exceed the importance to team. 
 

Im very high on Dorian Williams and believe he’s a future high end starter but it also means you have to spend another high midrounder on a LB for depth with two undersized LB. 
 

If you’re telling me someone is willing to part with a 2nd I probably do it for the reasons many have laid out. He has some injuries, he’s aging, and he’s not very big plus has a bigger contract but if I’m getting a mid rounder than no thanks