Who is the best #14 in Bills history?

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said:

Actually....it was. 

 

From the OP's first post - 

Best doesn't necessarily mean who produced most.  It could.

 

But just overall if you take everything into a player from production to leadership, tenure, great moments, to just likeable.....

 

Did you read the first post or do you just like to just be passive aggressive and imply the people responding with players based on great moments are stupid?

 

In my very subjective opinion based off of the very subjective criteria listed out in the very first post....It's Ryan Fitzpatrick....for me.

 

But I'm willing to be open minded about others subjective position based on: production to leadership, tenure, great moments, to just likeable....which was in...THE VERY FIRST POST. 

 

 

 

OP shouldn't pose subjective questions with non subjective titles then. The title of the thread and what he is actually asking don't align at all.

[Teddy KGB]

22 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

Of the choices he is the only one I would want to have a beer or two with and shoot the breeze for a while, 

Enjoy the bar.    Just keep him off the field 

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

3 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

OP shouldn't pose subjective questions with non subjective titles then. The title of the thread and what he is actually asking don't align at all.

 

Best is a subjective term.  Both the title and question is subjective.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

8 hours ago, amprov56 said:

You had to be there in 1993 or you 'll never understand, its a thing that only fans as old as the franchise can grasp!

I was in medical school watching the game on TV. Came so close to turning it off and going for a walk. I understand the love for the comeback game.

Don't understand the love for Reich. Heck more love should go to the refs for not seeing Beebe step out of bounds or Talley commit pass interference in OT. 

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

I was in medical school watching the game on TV. Came so close to turning it off and going for a walk. I understand the love for the comeback game.

Don't understand the love for Reich. Heck more love should go to the refs for not seeing Beebe step out of bounds or Talley commit pass interference in OT. 

Geezus dude.

 

When a team is up by 32 in the 3rd quarter, 2 missed calls shouldn’t be determining the game.

 

Are you 100% sure there wasn’t any missed calls on Houston?  It did they play a perfectly flawless game?

 

What Reich did in the game outweighs those two missed calls.  It had 1 million percent more influence on the game.  

[Ethan in Cleveland]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Geezus dude.

 

When a team is up by 32 in the 3rd quarter, 2 missed calls shouldn’t be determining the game.

 

Are you 100% sure there wasn’t any missed calls on Houston?  It did they play a perfectly flawless game?

 

What Reich did in the game outweighs those two missed calls.  It had 1 million percent more influence on the game.  

It was more than that too...He threw a pass that went right through the defenders hands and should have been another pick 6. Think it went to Metzalaars. And Houston not playing for an onside kick. Crazy stuff.

But I get your point, for one magical 28 minutes or so he was unbelievable! A HOF moment in an otherwise forgettable career. 

[Royale with Cheese]

6 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

It was more than that too...He threw a pass that went right through the defenders hands and should have been another pick 6. Think it went to Metzalaars. And Houston not playing for an onside kick. Crazy stuff.

But I get your point, for one magical 28 minutes or so he was unbelievable! A HOF moment in an otherwise forgettable career. 

 

There are so many variables in games and you're only pointing out the negative ones towards the Bills.

[amprov56]

13 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

I was in medical school watching the game on TV. Came so close to turning it off and going for a walk. I understand the love for the comeback game.

Don't understand the love for Reich. Heck more love should go to the refs for not seeing Beebe step out of bounds or Talley commit pass interference in OT. 

Again, you dont know! The 1989 comeback against the Rams on MNF then winning several more while Kelly was hurt. 1990 beating Miami in a crucial game allowing the Bills to clinch the AFC East and home field advantage, He did it with class, character, and humility, not traits admired by the fast food/win at any cost and we will take anybody generation in 2024. Seriously, focus in the twenty first century, you don't know, and yes you guys love the negative. It's a lifetime Bills Fan thing, you'll never understand.

[amprov56]

12 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

It was more than that too...He threw a pass that went right through the defenders hands and should have been another pick 6. Think it went to Metzalaars. And Houston not playing for an onside kick. Crazy stuff.

But I get your point, for one magical 28 minutes or so he was unbelievable! A HOF moment in an otherwise forgettable career. 

Whatever, you have not trashed Mcdermott today, get back on track!

Edited April 11 by amprov56

[hondo in seattle]

7 hours ago, Big Turk said:

Diggs and it isn't close. The question wasn't "who is your most sentimental #14" or "who is your favorite #14". It was who is the best.  Diggs far and away is the best and these other replies answering a question that wasn't asked probably need to learn how to separate logic and emotion a little better.  This wasn't an interpretation question, it was a logic question not open for interpretation....by any measure Diggs was the best #14 ever on the Bills.

 

People define "best" differently.  Best (i.e. most talented) player...  best teammate... best Bill to root for... produced the best memories...  and so on.  

 

I appreciate your effort to promote logic on a fan board.  But my vote remains with Reich.  

[amprov56]

1 minute ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

People define "best" differently.  Best (i.e. most talented) player...  best teammate... best Bill to root for... produced the best memories...  and so on.  

 

I appreciate your effort to promote logic on a fan board.  But my vote remains with Reich.  

Great post and it illustrates the gap between "old school" Bills fans who love and understand the game living through 50 years with first hand Bills experence and those who view the game as mere entertainment, angry on a daily basis!

[hondo in seattle]

35 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

I was in medical school watching the game on TV. Came so close to turning it off and going for a walk. I understand the love for the comeback game.

Don't understand the love for Reich. Heck more love should go to the refs for not seeing Beebe step out of bounds or Talley commit pass interference in OT. 

 

Doc, let me explain my love for Reich.  (1) He was a great guy and teammate.  (2) The win against Houston was so unexpected.  We couldn't beat the Oilers the week before with Thurman and Kelly (partially) in the game.  In fact, they destroyed us.  We certainly weren't going to beat them with our stars out after spotting them a 32-point lead in that playoff game.   

 

And then something miraculous happens.  Reich, the perennial backup, starts playing like he's a football god who came down from Gridiron Olympus, throwing TD passes all over the place.  And that improbable win helped get us to the Super Bowl.    

 

I watched a lot of great Bills moments over the decades including OJ breaking 2000 but The Comeback remains my favorite Bills game of all time and Reich was its principal author.  

[The Jokeman]

2 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

Doc, let me explain my love for Reich.  (1) He was a great guy and teammate.  (2) The win against Houston was so unexpected.  We couldn't beat the Oilers the week before with Thurman and Kelly (partially) in the game.  In fact, they destroyed us.  We certainly weren't going to beat them with our stars out after spotting them a 32-point lead in that playoff game.   

 

And then something miraculous happens.  Reich, the perennial backup, starts playing like he's a football god who came down from Gridiron Olympus, throwing TD passes all over the place.  And that improbable win helped get us to the Super Bowl.    

 

I watched a lot of great Bills moments over the decades including OJ breaking 2000 but The Comeback remains my favorite Bills game of all time and Reich was its principal author.  

Reich hand a handful of moments but come on man Diggs was far more consistent and contributed more on the field week in and week out. It's like those that those calling for Tasker a HOFer, sorry impactful yes but not in enough games.

[BobbyC81]

On 4/9/2024 at 12:52 PM, mushypeaches said:

I'll always associate 14 with Frank Reich - having sat in the stands that amazing day in January 1993

You and 500K others that claim to.

[hondo in seattle]

56 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Reich hand a handful of moments but come on man Diggs was far more consistent and contributed more on the field week in and week out. It's like those that those calling for Tasker a HOFer, sorry impactful yes but not in enough games.

 

I already acknowledged that Diggs is the more skilled player.  But the poll question asks, "Who is the real #14?"  

 

The first #14 to imprint on my memory was Reich.  Diggs gave me more good memories, but Reich gave me my greatest one.  

[BIGFOOTspaceman]

6 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

OP shouldn't pose subjective questions with non subjective titles then. The title of the thread and what he is actually asking don't align at all.

lol. It’s the op’s fault you didn’t read the first post for context. 😂 

[amprov56]

11 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

Doc, let me explain my love for Reich.  (1) He was a great guy and teammate.  (2) The win against Houston was so unexpected.  We couldn't beat the Oilers the week before with Thurman and Kelly (partially) in the game.  In fact, they destroyed us.  We certainly weren't going to beat them with our stars out after spotting them a 32-point lead in that playoff game.   

 

And then something miraculous happens.  Reich, the perennial backup, starts playing like he's a football god who came down from Gridiron Olympus, throwing TD passes all over the place.  And that improbable win helped get us to the Super Bowl.    

 

I watched a lot of great Bills moments over the decades including OJ breaking 2000 but The Comeback remains my favorite Bills game of all time and Reich was its principal author.  

Another great post, he was a great person and good citizen that you loved rooting for!

Edited April 11 by amprov56

[amprov56]

12 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Geezus dude.

 

When a team is up by 32 in the 3rd quarter, 2 missed calls shouldn’t be determining the game.

 

Are you 100% sure there wasn’t any missed calls on Houston?  It did they play a perfectly flawless game?

 

What Reich did in the game outweighs those two missed calls.  It had 1 million percent more influence on the game.  

They love the negative!

[BillsPride12]

12 hours ago, amprov56 said:

Again, you dont know! The 1989 comeback against the Rams on MNF then winning several more while Kelly was hurt. 1990 beating Miami in a crucial game allowing the Bills to clinch the AFC East and home field advantage, He did it with class, character, and humility, not traits admired by the fast food/win at any cost and we will take anybody generation in 2024. Seriously, focus in the twenty first century, you don't know, and yes you guys love the negative. It's a lifetime Bills Fan thing, you'll never understand.

Another thing I think people forget with Reich is how much of a positive impact he had on Kelly.  Frank might not have had the same athletic ability Jim had but he was smart and would help go over things with him on the sidelines. Kelly has said many times having Frank out there was like having an extra coach for him on the sidelines.  

[mushypeaches]

11 hours ago, BobbyC81 said:

You and 500K others that claim to.

Yup, except I'm betting that at least 499,995 of those others don't carry the ticket stub around in their wallets as proof