Logic Posted April 9 Posted April 9 (edited) Regarding Elam and Burks: If we're taking a swing at a third year breakout player, I'd rather have a talented man cover corner be the guy that breaks out while on my roster than a receiver. I think the latter are easier to find than the former. That said, the new Titans regime has no ties to Treylon Burks, so if they're willing to flip him to us for a late round pick (think 5th or later) then I'd be on board. I like low risk, high reward swings on former first and second round picks. Burks is a guy I'd be willing to gamble on, provided the compensation needed to acquire him is relatively meager. He's dealt with injuries, sure, but the Titans passing game has also just generally been a wasteland for lots of guys the past few years. Who's been slinging the rock? The ghost of Ryan Tannehill, Malik Willis, rookie Will Levis...yuck! So it's a no for me on an Elam swap, but a yes to Burks if he can be had for cheap. Edited April 9 by Logic Quote
BarleyNY Posted April 9 Posted April 9 Thinking a bit more about this I don’t like the idea of adding Burkes even if it was for almost nothing. If he’s going to have success in the NFL it’ll likely be as a possession WR out of the slot. We don’t have much need there. We’d be better off looking for an X to take a flier on. 1 Quote
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted April 9 Posted April 9 1 minute ago, BarleyNY said: Thinking a bit more about this I don’t like the idea of adding Burkes even if it was for almost nothing. If he’s going to have success in the NFL it’ll likely be as a possession WR out of the slot. We don’t have much need there. We’d be better off looking for an X to take a flier on. He's a big boy and isn't quick so i don't see him in the slot, i just wonder if he's more bark than bite. Quote
BarleyNY Posted April 9 Posted April 9 6 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said: He's a big boy and isn't quick so i don't see him in the slot, i just wonder if he's more bark than bite. I think this discussion tells you everything you need to know about Burks. One of us is saying that he’s not a good enough separator or contested catch receiver to win on the outside, so maybe he could be a decent possession receiver, even if he’s never gonna be dynamic there. The other one is saying that he’s not quick enough to be a good slot receiver so if he’s going to be successful, it’ll have to be on the outside I think we’re both right We should just move on. 1 Quote
Buffalo03 Posted April 9 Posted April 9 2 hours ago, Tipster19 said: The Titans traded for Calvin Ridley which doesn’t bode well for Burks. Having DeAndre Hopkins, Ridley and the #7 pick overall in this year’s draft puts them in the right position to select one of the top 3 WRs. I believe that Beane is going to move up in the draft for either Brian Thomas Jr or Adonai Mitchell but adding another WR is still a real possibility. Being a former 1st rd pick that hasn’t stayed healthy makes Burks expendable. If Beane could get him cheap that would be a low risk high ceiling WR prospect for the Bills imo. I mean....if the Titans would give him up for a bag of chips I guess it would be alright Quote
BarleyNY Posted April 9 Posted April 9 3 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: I mean....if the Titans would give him up for a bag of chips I guess it would be alright The only issue is that a team trading for him would take on his guaranteed contract. $4.7M total for 2024 & 2025. There have been recent trades where guaranteed money reverts back to the original team if the player is cut. I’m not interested but I’d want us to insist on that if we did acquire him. Quote
Buffalo03 Posted April 9 Posted April 9 1 minute ago, BarleyNY said: The only issue is that a team trading for him would take on his guaranteed contract. $4.7M total for 2024 & 2025. There have been recent trades where guaranteed money reverts back to the original team if the player is cut. I’m not interested but I’d want us to insist on that if we did acquire him. I'm not really interested either. If he became a free agent, maybe but not a trade Quote
Thurman#1 Posted April 9 Posted April 9 2 hours ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said: I wouldn’t hate it, but I certainly wouldn’t get excited about it. That's about where I'm at. I remember wanting him in the draft, but not in the first where he was being valued. Haven't been thrilled with what I've seen in the NFL. Quote
JerseyBills Posted April 9 Posted April 9 I'd shoot em a 6 or 7 maybe but idk why they'd give up on him already.. 1 Quote
NoSaint Posted April 9 Posted April 9 1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said: I mean they are both failed prospects but Isabella is 3 years older. They are completely different players. Burks is big and slow and Isabella is tiny and fast. They both suck. Burks' change of direction scores in the 3 cone and shuttle etc are just awful, no explosion either. Neither's game translated to the NFL so far. oh yea I didn’t mean in the sense that their style is similar but that they are full washouts right now… Isabella having the perk of at least being league minimum pay where burk has the challenge of a $3m salary (not huge, but effects how you manage him) 1 Quote
Ethan in Cleveland Posted April 9 Posted April 9 Honest question. How do you really evaluate a WR when they have garbage QBs throwing to them? I'd pass based on injury history but you would really have to dig in and decide how much of that is bad luck of a chronic issue. As an aside Bills are going to have the same issue evaluating Rousseau as he seems to be injured every year and production decreases as the season wears on. Quote
MrEpsYtown Posted April 9 Posted April 9 14 minutes ago, NoSaint said: oh yea I didn’t mean in the sense that their style is similar but that they are full washouts right now… Isabella having the perk of at least being league minimum pay where burk has the challenge of a $3m salary (not huge, but effects how you manage him) Gotcha! Yes totally. Failed prospect who is more expensive and would cost capital. Same idea. Quote
dgrochester55 Posted April 9 Posted April 9 Maybe as a low risk/low cost flyer to see if he can add anything like we are doing with with K.J. Hamler, but not for anything more than that. Quote
Tommy Posted April 9 Posted April 9 2 hours ago, Tipster19 said: Size, speed and being a former 1st rd pick. Coming out of college he was suppose to be a AJ Brown clone. Obviously he’s not so far but at one point he was considered to be. Minimal investment is worth a consideration. He was never an A.J. Brown clone. That comparison came from someone who didn't really understand how they each played the game and was more based on their similar size. Yes, Burks has the size/look of a classic X receiver, but he didn't and still doesn't have the skills to beat man coverage consistently to win at the X. He'd be better suited as a big slot. Quote
MJS Posted April 9 Posted April 9 Wait, why do we want him? About 600 yards and 1 TD over two years for the Titans. Injured a lot. He is tall but not really fast. What is the appeal? Quote
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