Why does Beane get a pass?

[Aussie Joe]

15 minutes ago, msw2112 said:

 

Perhaps getting those guys to take pay cuts was a credit to Beane's talent and not luck.  He rewarded and took care of those guys when the arrow was pointing up for them and they returned the favor by taking one for Beane and the team when the arrow wasn't.  In doing so, both guys showed that they were team-first guys and that's the kind of guy Beane wants on the roster.  Perhaps Diggs was no longer a team-first guy and now he's no longer on the roster.

 

It's widely known that most employees will take less money if they are treated well and like the culture where they work.  Beane (along with McDermott and the rest of the Bills staff) have worked hard to create just such a culture.  That's likely why guys are willing to take pay cuts to stick around, or, in some cases, sign for the Bills for less than they can get elsewhere.  In some cases, the money gap is just too large and guys move on.  Beane is often very open to letting guys test the market to see what they're worth before pressuring them to re-sign with the Bills.  In the cases of Edmunds and Davis, the money was too good elsewhere and they parted ways with the Bills on good terms.  For Epenesa and guys like Milano a couple of years ago, they tested the market and liked what was available in Buffalo, and they stayed.  I suspect that both could have made more money elsewhere.

Perhaps … I still say  a lot of guys wouldnt have taken the paycut… particularly in Miller’s position who might be out of the League in 12 months … 

 

I don’t think there is any chance Diggs would have done so … even two years ago when he liked being here .. 

 

Those cuts have freed up about $15 mil and made the offseason to date a bit easier to navigate for Beane … they could have freed up all of the money for Josh’s restructure I guess which could have got back about half that figure …

 

They are still short of  money now if they want to trade for a vet like Metcalf or even Sutton … I hope they can work something out still and that is a possibility for them …

 

 

Edited April 5 by Aussie Joe

[Ya Digg?]

21 minutes ago, Billy Claude said:

He gets plenty of criticism, especially the last two years.  However, we should ask how many NFL GMs have clearly done a better job than Beane.  I feel there is only two obvious ones and a bunch who are on a similar level

 

1. Brett Veach - Chiefs (obviously)

2. Howie Roseman -- Eagles: Two Super Bowls with two different QBs and two different coaches but the team fell apart at the end of last year and they might be in a bit of trouble if it turns out Jalen Hurts is not the guy.

 

On same level  (in no particular order)

3. Eric DeCosta -- Ravens --- always has good drafts but one wonders how high their ceiling is with Lamar Jackson.

4. Brian Gutekunst -- Packers --- nice job transitioning from Rogers to Love.

5. John Lynch -- 49ers -- two super bowls in the weaker NFC.  However one has to wonder how much is luck and the extra draft picks the 49ers have gotten, considering how many complete busts he has had in the first round (Solomon Thomas, Reuben Foster, Trey Lance, Javon Kinlaw).   Beane never made a mistake anywhere close to the disastrous trade up for Trey Lance.

6. Wes Snead -- Rams -- one Super Bowl victory but mortgaged the future for it.

7. Duke Tobin -- Bengals -- got to one Super Bowl but has not been able to protect Joe Burrow and was extremely lucky to get that Super Bowl.

 

Off to a good start but not yet proven:

 

8. Nick Caserio -- Texans -- masterful job rebuilding the Texans and still has a lot of draft capital.

9. Brad Holmes -- Lions -- only two years on the job so far so will need to see sustained success.

 

I don't know if the OP thinks Beane should be fired but you certainly aren't getting any of these guys to come to Buffalo.

 

 

 

So DeCosta is an interesting name you bring up. I feel people around here generally see him as a good GM, but he’s had a lot of misses on draft picks. They have been throwing draft pick after draft pick at wide receivers in the first three rounds ever since they drafted Lamar-have any of them been a huge hit?

[Mango]

2 hours ago, Blackbeard said:

We should definitely fire him.  Imagine.  Trading away Stephen Diggs.

 

The nerve!

 

I can be super critical of Beane. I don't know WTF OP is talking about. 

That said, we have seen what Terry Pegula is capable of if you look just a few miles down route 5 at the Buffalo Sabres. It ain't good. 

The Bills should never ever let go of Brandon Beane. Him and Josh Allen are the only two people protecting this team from Terry Pegula and historical suck-itude. 

[Roundybout]

50 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Cmon man, Poyer and White were here before Beane got here

Remember when Poyer, Milano and Johnson were all set to leave and Beane got them to stay?

[PBF81]

Uh oh!  

 

 

 

[Billy Claude]

11 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

So DeCosta is an interesting name you bring up. I feel people around here generally see him as a good GM, but he’s had a lot of misses on draft picks. They have been throwing draft pick after draft pick at wide receivers in the first three rounds ever since they drafted Lamar-have any of them been a huge hit?

 

I feel that De Costa still gets a bump reputation wise from the glow of Ozzie Newsome.  The wide receivers may be limited by Jackson but Marquise Brown hasn't looked great in Arizona either.

 

Edited April 5 by Billy Claude

[NewEra]

Because we have a great team every year and not every team can win the SB every year.  Also because the owner gives him a pass

[uticaclub]

32 minutes ago, Nephilim17 said:

Beane's assembled a very good but not great team. That's something. He needs to get more elite players in drafts (hard when you're drafting lower) and he needs to be more careful with extending aging players.

 

McDermott needs far better playoff defense.

 

I'd say if he and McDermott don't win it all or get very close in 3 or 4 years they will both be replaced. But who knows.

And then we would have wasted Josh’s entire 20s, Josh will probably want out before that

[BuffaloBill]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Some of us did not like the 2022 offseason at the time and it has proven to be pretty much an unmitigated disaster:

 

Free Agent signings:

Jordan Phillips - $5m

Tim Settle - $9m

Daquan Jones - $14m

Von Miller - $120m

Roger Saffold - $6.25m

Ryan Bates - $17m

OJ Howard - $3.5m

Jameson Crowder - $2m

 

Extension:

Stefon Diggs - $96m

 

First round pick:

Kaiir Elam

 

 

I know he had some decent success with some of his later picks - Cook, Bernard, Benford - but it is by any standards a bit of a disaster of an offseason.

 

 

 

That picture is very ugly and helps to explain why KC has been able to reload. 

[bobobonators]

2 hours ago, Sharky7337 said:

Please provide me with an example outside of Denver and Greenbay that have as much money tied up as us on no production 

Second most wins in the NFL since he took over. First are the Chiefs. 
 

[Augie]

Just now, bobobonators said:

Second most wins in the NFL since he took over. First are the Chiefs. 
 

 

That does not fit the desired narrative. We SUCK! Get used to it! 

 

 

😋

[Nephilim17]

11 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

And then we would have wasted Josh’s entire 20s, Josh will probably want out before that

Maybe. To be clear, I'm not saying McBeane should get 3 to 4 more years but I get the feeling they have Pegula's trust and have a longer leash than normal.

And no, I won't be thrilled if Josh is in his 30s and hasn't made a Super Bowl.

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

3 hours ago, Sharky7337 said:

Von miller contract

Dawson Knox contract

Stephen diggs contract

Defense line draft picks that never pan out

Defense tackle signings that are not good enough

No reliable pass rusher 

Wyatt Teller give away

Edmunds 

 

Just curious why he is so highly regarded when these issues have come to roost fully

 

Josh Allen

 

[Billl]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Some of us did not like the 2022 offseason at the time and it has proven to be pretty much an unmitigated disaster:

 

Free Agent signings:

Jordan Phillips - $5m

Tim Settle - $9m

Daquan Jones - $14m

Von Miller - $120m

Roger Saffold - $6.25m

Ryan Bates - $17m

OJ Howard - $3.5m

Jameson Crowder - $2m

 

Extension:

Stefon Diggs - $96m

 

First round pick:

Kaiir Elam

 

 

I know he had some decent success with some of his later picks - Cook, Bernard, Benford - but it is by any standards a bit of a disaster of an offseason.

 

This is why I can’t understand why people criticize McDermott more than Beane.  That is an abomination of a performance by a GM, but it’s the coach’s fault they can’t beat the Chiefs.

[Mark Vader]

3 hours ago, Logic said:

The Bills have won the 2nd most games in the league since 2020.

They've won four straight division titles.

The only possible reason to say he "deserves" criticism is because they haven't won a title. But if that's the case, then 31 GMs every single year deserve criticism.

Looking at moves in a vacuum for any GM across the league, you're going to see some moves that worked and some that didn't. No GM is immune to mistakes. But looking at the total output and production of a team gives you a sense of what kind of job the team's architect has done. The fact remains that only the Chiefs have won more games than the Bills since 2020, that they've won their division four years in a row, and that they are contenders year in and year out.

You want perfection? Go watch a Kurosawa film or listen to a Betthoven sonata. 

Beane is a very good GM.

P.S. Brandon Beane DOES receive criticism, and if you don't see it, then you're not looking in the right places. Go turn on ESPN, Fox Sports 1, or listen to any drive time football radio show, and you'll hear scores of criticism of Beane and his Bills. Heck, the buzziest phrase in football the past two season has been "the Bills window is closed".

If you're angry at Brandon Beane and want to criticize him, then just say that. Don't manufacture an immunity to criticism that he does not actually possess.

@Sharky7337 Do you have a rebuttal to this, or are you just another hit-and-run fan?

[CaptnCoke11]

People like the OP probably have that face you just wanna punch hard.. really hard 

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, Nephilim17 said:

Beane's assembled a very good but not great team. That's something. He needs to get more elite players in drafts (hard when you're drafting lower) and he needs to be more careful with extending aging players.

 

McDermott needs far better playoff defense.

 

I'd say if he and McDermott don't win it all or get very close in 3 or 4 years they will both be replaced. But who knows.

Are we very good? And did Beane really do much?

 

Who are the biggest contributors at the biggest position over the last 5 years? And how many of them were Pre-Beane?

 

Pre-Beane:

Tre

Dawkins

Milano

Hyde

Poyer

 

Post-Beane:

Allen

Edmunds

Taron Johnson

Diggs

Oliver

Davis

Rousseau ?

Cook?

Bernard?

Kincaid?

Torrence?

 

That list is kind of sobering. The Beane "stars" from 2018 to current day ain't really stars, outside of Allen and Diggs, maybe Oliver.

 

We feel exactly how we are supposed to about our team. We are a team whose best players were all acquired 4-7 years ago, and most of their careers have either faded or ended.

 

4 years ago, we had 3 All-Pro/ProBowlers in the secondary, and Taron Johnson was probably our 4th best DB. Today, he's our second best DB, narrowly beating out a 6th round pick out of Villanova.

 

4 years ago, Gabe Davis was our fourth best WR. Last year, he was our second best. And today, Shakir is our best WR by default.

 

3 years ago, our best EDGE player was probably Rousseau. Today, it's still Rousseau, by default.

 

Now a lot of our best players got old. That's not Beane's fault. But he is tasked with maintaining a talent pipeline to offset those losses. And he has failed, imo.

[Nephilim17]

3 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Are we very good? And did Beane really do much?

 

Who are the biggest contributors at the biggest position over the last 5 years? And how many of them were Pre-Beane?

 

Pre-Beane:

Tre

Dawkins

Milano

Hyde

Poyer

 

Post-Beane:

Allen

Edmunds

Taron Johnson

Diggs

Oliver

Davis

Rousseau ?

Cook?

Bernard?

Kincaid?

Torrence?

 

That list is kind of sobering. The Beane "stars" from 2018 to current day ain't really stars, outside of Allen and Diggs, maybe Oliver.

 

We feel exactly how we are supposed to about our team. We are a team whose best players were all acquired 4-7 years ago, and most of their careers have either faded or ended.

 

4 years ago, we had 3 All-Pro/ProBowlers in the secondary, and Taron Johnson was probably our 4th best DB. Today, he's our second best DB, narrowly beating out a 6th round pick out of Villanova.

 

4 years ago, Gabe Davis was our fourth best WR. Last year, he was our second best. And today, Shakir is our best WR by default.

 

3 years ago, our best EDGE player was probably Rousseau. Today, it's still Rousseau, by default.

 

Now a lot of our best players got old. That's not Beane's fault. But he is tasked with maintaining a talent pipeline to offset those losses. And he has failed, imo.

We have the 2nd-most wins in the league that past five years. If you think that's all Josh Allen, that's your prerogative. I think Allen is a huge reason but there are other teams with franchise QBs who haven't won that many games.

That, combined with the early playoff exits (though the best team in the league, KC, s a big reason why), counts as very good but not great to me. If you want to think we're mediocre, go ahead.

[Aussie Joe]

14 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

People like the OP probably have that face you just wanna punch hard.. really hard 

You mean like Dan Fetes ?

[The Jokeman]

3 hours ago, Sharky7337 said:

Von miller contract

Dawson Knox contract

Stephen diggs contract

Defense line draft picks that never pan out

Defense tackle signings that are not good enough

No reliable pass rusher 

Wyatt Teller give away

Edmunds 

 

Just curious why he is so highly regarded when these issues have come to roost fully

Winning the AFC East in 4 of his 5 seasons here. Trading Ryan Bates to a team that tried to get him for nothing.

Let's see Josh Allen, James Cook, Khalil Shakir, Dalton Kincaid, Tyson Brown, O'Cyrus Torrence, Greg Rousseau, Ed Oliver, Terrell Bernard, Taron Johnson, Christian Benford. Getting a replacement for an injured Tre White along with a draft pick in a trade. Re-signing Josh Allen, Da'Quan Jones, Matt Milano, Dion Dawkins to below market deals. That's just for starters...