Calling it now: You're all about to witness the arrival of Shakir

[boyst]

On 11/1/2024 at 2:43 PM, TheBrownBear said:

I've been saying it for a good year.  Tough.  Great hands.  Good route runner.  Not afraid to go over the middle.  And he's great with the YAC.  Reminds me of someone.

Da'Rick Rodgers?

[Einstein's Dog]

On 11/1/2024 at 3:25 PM, machine gun kelly said:

Yep.  Josh finally has what he needs for success.

 

1. Cooper will keep learning the offense and synergy with Josh.
2. Coleman is developing into a deep threat with over 20 yards per catch regardless of talking heads stating he slow.
3. Shakir is a stud slot WR.
4. DK2 will get the job done with Kinkaid as the primary.
5. We now have a legitimate duo running and short passing threat in Cook and Davis.  Ty is also a great depth for us as RB’s always seemed to get dinged up more than many positions.
6. Our O line in advanced stats has us probably the 3rd best line in the league, and certainly helps that Josh evades better than any QB in the league.

 

I agree, the ingredients are there!  J Brady and the offense will be cooking!  It's Beane's job to keep this together.  You need a decent salary for A Cooper and a pretty good salary for Shakir.   Do it!  

 

A llot of the same people who were pounding the table for getting a top tier WR are now hemming and hawing about the price tag of Shakir.  He's a fantastic young, Bills developed WR with great hands and YAC ability (along with fitting the culture).  Do what is necessary to keep him!   We can see this offense has the potential to be among the best in the league.  Keep it together.

[Saxum]

18 minutes ago, boyst said:

Da'Rick Rodgers?

 

Because he caught 2 TDs in a NFL game?

[boyst]

1 hour ago, Saxum said:

 

Because he caught 2 TDs in a NFL game?

That's more than you and I combined.

[TheBrownBear]

6 hours ago, boyst said:

Da'Rick Rodgers?

Duke Williams, obviously

[Sierra Foothills]

On 11/1/2024 at 2:29 PM, Shaw66 said:

I'd say Kahlil will go over 1000 yards three times in his career, if he plays 10 year.  He isn't a 1000-yard guy; he's a guy who, when things fall right, will get 1000 yards.  

 

When the defenses evolve to slow down all this short-yardage passing, I think Kahlil will have trouble getting targets. 

 

9 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

Maybe Shakir could be an Allen or a Cobb.  I'd say that's his upside. Those guys were consistent and valuable contributors to their teams. 

 

On 11/1/2024 at 11:43 AM, TheBrownBear said:

I've been saying it for a good year.  Tough.  Great hands.  Good route runner.  Not afraid to go over the middle.  And he's great with the YAC.  Reminds me of someone.

 

Many here will think it damning with faint praise but Shakir reminds me a lot of former Bill Robert Woods, now in his 12th NFL season.

 

Both have the ability to line up in the slot or outside (but both are better in the slot), both have the punt return pedigree, similar height and weight, both tough as nails and fearless over the middle, great run after the catch ability and desire to block... the same bent over running style...

 

I mean this as high praise.

 

[Shaw66]

45 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

 

 

Many here will think it damning with faint praise but Shakir reminds me a lot of former Bill Robert Woods, now in his 12th NFL season.

 

Both have the ability to line up in the slot or outside (but both are better in the slot), both have the punt return pedigree, similar height and weight, both tough as nails and fearless over the middle, great run after the catch ability and desire to block... the same bent over running style...

 

I mean this as high praise.

 

Loved Woods.  I don't think Shakir is at that level, but Woods is another guy who's more or less equal to Shakir's upside. 

[Big Blitz]

Was talking about who a comp for Shakir is tonight with a buddy of mine as we were arguing over the Chiefs weapons vs ours.  

 

He said Wes Welker.  
 

 

I think it’s Hines Ward.  
 

 

 

Maybe in between.  

Maybe better.  Welker did nothing in the league until his 4th season.  

 

Our point was we got an elite slot guy that can play all over the field.

 

He has absolutely arrived.

Edited November 5 by Big Blitz

[NewEra]

Walker and ward didn’t have nearly the yac game that Shakir has

[Kirby Jackson]

On 11/2/2024 at 11:55 PM, Shaw66 said:

Loved Woods.  I don't think Shakir is at that level, but Woods is another guy who's more or less equal to Shakir's upside. 

I like this comparison a lot. Woods was a little more of a vertical threat but Shakir is better after the catch. They both have great contact balance and are reliable outlets for the QB. 
 

 

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

Walker and ward didn’t have nearly the yac game that Shakir has

Hines Ward had 1,000 receptions, over 12,000 yards and 85 TDs. He’s a fringe hall of famer. Let’s slow down with our comparisons, especially when we are putting Shakir above that. 

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I like this comparison a lot. Woods was a little more of a vertical threat but Shakir is better after the catch. They both have great contact balance and are reliable outlets for the QB. 
 

 

Hines Ward had 1,000 receptions, over 12,000 yards and 85 TDs. He’s a fringe hall of famer. Let’s slow down with our comparisons, especially when we are putting Shakir above that. 

I didn’t compare him to anyone.  All I said was that his yac ability is better than both mentioned

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

I didn’t compare him to anyone.  All I said was that his yac ability is better than both mentioned

I know. What was Ward’s yac? I couldn’t find it. Shakir has been great. I’m just not comfortable saying that he is “way better” at something than a fringe HOFer that excelled at that skill. Just feels like unnecessary hyperbole that sets unrealistic expectations for a blossoming player.

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I know. What was Ward’s yac? I couldn’t find it. Shakir has been great. I’m just not comfortable saying that he is “way better” at something than a fringe HOFer that excelled at that skill. Just feels like unnecessary hyperbole that sets unrealistic expectations for a blossoming player.

No clue what wards yac average was.  
 

That’s fine, you don’t have to. I have no problem saying what my eyes tell me.  If stats say something different, so be it.  Shakir is special with the ball in his hands

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

No clue what wards yac average was.  
 

That’s fine, you don’t have to. I have no problem saying what my eyes tell me.  If stats say something different, so be it.  Shakir is special with the ball in his hands

He’s been great with the ball in his hands. Your eyes are telling you what your heart wants to believe. I’m fine saying that he’s been even better than Robert Woods with the ball in his hands. That’s high praise.
 

Saying that he’s been better than a fringe HOFer, who was very good after the catch, feels like blind homerism. He has a LONG way to go until we should be saying that he’s better after the catch than Hines Ward. He’s off to a great start but isn’t yet 10% of the way there. Ward is a 3 time all-pro, 2 time Super Bowl champ, and Super Bowl MVP. He was as physical as pretty much any WR that has ever played. Hines Ward is who we all hope Shakir becomes.

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

He’s been great with the ball in his hands. Your eyes are telling you what your heart wants to believe. I’m fine saying that he’s been even better than Robert Woods with the ball in his hands. That’s high praise.
 

Saying that he’s been better than a fringe HOFer, who was very good after the catch, feels like blind homerism. He has a LONG way to go until we should be saying that he’s better after the catch than Hines Ward. He’s off to a great start but isn’t yet 10% of the way there. Ward is a 3 time all-pro, 2 time Super Bowl champ, and Super Bowl MVP. He was as physical as pretty much any WR that has ever played. Hines Ward is who we all hope Shakir becomes.

You’re confusing particular skills with overall ability based on total body of work. That’s fine-  I just know what my eyes tell me.  Shakir is better yac (much better imo) than Hines Ward.  John Brown is a better vertical WR than Anquan Boldin.  It doesn’t matter if Boldin is a fringe hall of famer or not.  
 

Blind homerism, if you say so.  I disagree.  

[Cray51]

Shakir is hard to gauge because he just doesn't get a ton of targets.  45 targets through 8 games is not that many - 90 a year puts him at #50 last year, bottom end of WR2.

 

If he was on a team where he could play #1 receiver lines (which I truly think he could), he would be getting another 30-40 targets a year.  He would EASILY be a 1300 yard guy with that type of volume.

[Saxum]

10 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

Was talking about who a comp for Shakir is tonight with a buddy of mine as we were arguing over the Chiefs weapons vs ours.  

 

He said Wes Walker.  
 

 

I think it’s Hines Ward.  
 

 

 

Maybe in between.  

Maybe better.  Welker did nothing in the league until his 4th season.  

 

Our point was we got an elite slot guy that can play all over the field.

 

He has absolutely arrived.

 

Welker can kick?  Maybe put him on practice squad for emergency extra point kicker.    

[Kirby Jackson]

2 hours ago, NewEra said:

You’re confusing particular skills with overall ability based on total body of work. That’s fine-  I just know what my eyes tell me.  Shakir is better yac (much better imo) than Hines Ward.  John Brown is a better vertical WR than Anquan Boldin.  It doesn’t matter if Boldin is a fringe hall of famer or not.  
 

Blind homerism, if you say so.  I disagree.  

John Brown was pretty much exclusively a deep threat. Boldin ran a 4.71!! Of course he wasn’t a deep threat. That’s apples and oranges. Shakir and Ward play a similar style. They are physical WRs, with good hands, converted from different positions, that run after the catch. I think that’s what your heart tells you and not your eyes. Go back and watch Hines Ward highlights. To say that Shakir is “much better” with the ball in his hands, than this guy that had 1000 catches & 12000+ yards is blasphemous. 
 

 

Edited November 5 by Kirby Jackson

[NewEra]

12 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

John Brown was pretty much exclusively a deep threat. Holding ran a 4.71!! Of course he wasn’t a deep threat. That’s apples and oranges. Shakir and Ward play a similar style. They are physical WRs, with good hands, converted from different positions, that run after the catch. I think that’s what your heart tells you and not your eyes. Go back and watch Hines Ward highlights. To say that Shakir is “much better” with the ball in his hands, than this guy that had 1000 catches & 12000+ yards is blasphemous. 
 

 

It’s my eyes, not my heart.  Shakir is a more explosive athlete with better burst and natural make you miss ability.  Think what you like.  Shakir is special with the ball in his hands in the open field.  

[Big Turk]

Shakir might have the best hands in NFL history...

 

This is a list of highest catch percentage in a season with 45+ targets.  Shakir is 1st and 2nd on the list and this season would break his NFL record from last year at well over 90% this season.  It's absurd. The dude is a human vacuum cleaner when it comes to catching the football.

 

Shakir and Allen also set an NFL record this year for most consecutive targets completed without a drop.

 

I would probably still say Michael Thomas based on sheer number of targets and how high he is, appearing 3rd and 12th, but Shakir is definitely not far behind if he is at all.

 

 

 

Edited November 5 by Big Turk