Calling it now: You're all about to witness the arrival of Shakir

[Kelly to Allen]

He reminded me of Andre Reed at Boise State. Ppl told me that's over the top but that's who I saw

[Augie]

3 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I'm willing to bet that Beane and OBD have nothing etched in stone yet.

There is no huge rush right NOW.

 

Exactly! There is a lot of football left to be played this year. Hopefully a LOT of football. You have to be prepared for all scenarios, but there is no decision to be made at this moment. It’s hard for me to have a strong opinion until I see it play out. 

[SCBills]

5 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

What is the case for extending Cooper?
 

The entire Defensive Line is facing a rebuild with numerous DTs facing age and expiring one-year deals. 
 

After this season we can revisit the viability of the defensive scheme, available cap space, the in-house contract decisions - Benford, Bernard, Rousseau, in addition to Shakir and Cook coming due after 2025, wouldn’t the Draft be more pragmatic? 

This is assuming he’d be coming back on a team friendly deal due to his comments.  
 

All we’d need to do is bring back Hollins & Ty and the same exact Offense comes back in tact for next year.  
 

Obviously this is predicated upon this group performing in the Playoffs.  
 

Would then allow us to shift focus on signing a decent DL piece at EDGE or DT and then go heavy Defense in the Draft.  
 

Id still draft a WR with one of our top 64 picks coming though, because Samuel

is made of glass, Cooper Isn’t a long term plan and Shakir may or may not price us out.  
 

Fwiw, my only must resign right now is Rousseau.  Shakir is really good.. he’s a slot with limited deep downfield ability.  Bernard is really good..  he’s an undersized linebacker.   Cook is really good.. he’s a running back.   Benford is really good, but that’s the one position I trust us to figure out.  What’s non-negotiable is building the offense and the DL. 

[BillsShredder83]

3 hours ago, Simon said:

 

That is not the worst case scenario.

The worst case scenario is you spend a bunch of assets on a position that relies on everybody else for success. Then the units that they rely on for success are compromised because you de-prioritized them. And suddenly you are weak in the trenches and can't win because all your chits are tied up in track stars that don't get the ball because you can't protect your QB and you also can't get your defense off the field because you didn't invest enough in your DLine.

Welcome to Miami....

I don't mean every pick. Our OL is nasty and locked up for a while, fairly young.  Think you should take some OL every draft no matter what.

 

I just think this draft should invest heavily and/or early in this draft. DL 100% 2nd priority.

 

Drafts -principally- should lean to 60/40 in favor of the offense. I cant justify constant high resources to DL and then having them completely neutralized by quick release guy. 

 

This very would could just be my frustration at our DL draft picks not getting the job done, especially in playoffs where we've had anemic pass rushing in playoffs. But sinking mega resources into a guy that can be neutralized by a Tua/Stafford type is frustrating and makes me feel you just focus on scoring 40/game

[BidsJr]

3 hours ago, Kelly to Allen said:

He reminded me of Andre Reed at Boise State. Ppl told me that's over the top but that's who I saw

That is who I see everytime I watch him.  Throw an 83 on him and I may be 35 years younger.

Edited December 31, 2024 by BidsJr

[BADOLBILZ]

8 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Exactly...but the funny part is that its a fail at "I told you so" because he falsified the information...no surprise there.  And don't get me started on all his bad takes and flip flopping takes on Shakir lol.  

 

 

So when I literally quoted you verbatim from your original post in this very thread that was falsifying information?    

 

The post where you were also explaining to us that Shakir would have had over 2,000 yards if he had enough targets and assured us that he'd get over 1,000 yards.

 

And where you were pffft'ing things like @NoSaint for his Lance Moore comp........because you thought he was so much more?

 

You have replaced @eball as the resident triple threat "LAMP/gaslighter/fail-prediction thread" guy on TSW.

 

You made an over-the-top-thread full of hyperbolic off-season math......about a really good slot receiver.........and then later moved your predictions around hoping you could take credit for it regardless of what he produced.  

 

I mean I call that kind of sh!t out everywhere and anytime I see it on TSW.   That ain't personal.  You just happen to be a main culprit.   If you want to feel special, keep doing it.    

[BADOLBILZ]

6 hours ago, Kelly to Allen said:

He reminded me of Andre Reed at Boise State. Ppl told me that's over the top but that's who I saw

 

 

Shakir is a much smaller target.    With his tiny arms he plays like he's 5'9" from the slot instead of the over-sized slot guy that Andre Reed was.   Reed would box coverage defenders out and then run away from them.   He was tough to slow down after he turned upfield.  Shakir turns into a running back after the catch.   More elusive and slippery.   It's a different style of YAC.  

 

We actually got a great look at the primary limitation to Shakir's game in recent weeks when Allen has tried a bucket drop deep ball that Shakir laughably short-armed and threw multiple end zone contested catch throws to Shakir that the DB swatted away like he was defending his son in the back yard.  Those long armed CB's easily reach around and swat it away from him just like they can easily jam him at the LOS on the boundary when he isn't in motion.  Contrast those swat-aways with the catches we just saw from Coleman and Cooper in the end zone Sunday.  

 

Shakir is really good at what he does.......he's(predictably) brought impact back to the slot for the past two seasons for the Bills.......but he isn't really anything like the all-around threat that Reed was.   It's not flattering to Reed's game to comp it to Shakir's.   Shakir has his own style........it's not Reed.......it's not Cole Beasley.

 

 

Edited December 31, 2024 by BADOLBILZ

[NickelCity]

Shakir is such a tough call in terms of re-signing. I think the Bills will do so, but man I hope the contract is right. 

 

Lots of time left as mentioned above. 

[Kelly to Allen]

4 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Shakir is a much smaller target.    With his tiny arms he plays like he's 5'9" from the slot instead of the over-sized slot guy that Andre Reed was.   Reed would box coverage defenders out and then run away from them.   He was tough to slow down after he turned upfield.  Shakir turns into a running back after the catch.   More elusive and slippery.   It's a different style of YAC.  

 

We actually got a great look at the primary limitation to Shakir's game in recent weeks when Allen has tried a bucket drop deep ball that Shakir laughably short-armed and threw multiple end zone contested catch throws to Shakir that the DB swatted away like he was defending his son in the back yard.  Those long armed CB's easily reach around and swat it away from him just like they can easily jam him at the LOS on the boundary when he isn't in motion.  Contrast those swat-aways with the catches we just saw from Coleman and Cooper in the end zone Sunday.  

 

Shakir is really good at what he does.......he's(predictably) brought impact back to the slot for the past two seasons for the Bills.......but he isn't really anything like the all-around threat that Reed was.   It's not flattering to Reed's game to comp it to Shakir's.   Shakir has his own style........it's not Reed.......it's not Cole Beasley.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Kirby Jackson]

12 hours ago, Kelly to Allen said:

He reminded me of Andre Reed at Boise State. Ppl told me that's over the top but that's who I saw

If anyone reminded you of Andre Reed at Boise State that’s over the top. That’s like someone reminding you of Tim Tebow at Texas. 

[GunnerBill]

On 4/5/2024 at 12:03 PM, GunnerBill said:

 

Yep. If he had cleared his man coverage a split second sooner the Bills have a touchdown at the end against KC. But he got caught up just long enough by the DB in coverage and Josh had to hold the ball one tick too long and Jones got there. 

 

I'm not sure I totally agree on the difference between he and Beas. Beas wasn't great against man either. He was an elite zone beater not because of his suddenness but because of his natural feel for the soft spots in zone defences. In was instinctive. I think ultimately it is why he was an UDFA yet went on to have some success, because you can't measure the thing Cole Beasley had that was special. It was feel.

 

I think Shakir is more sudden but he doesn't run routes as well and doesn't have the same feel. Even last season there were multiple times when he ran into coverage where you really want your slot receiver to just stop and sit. That was a major problem his rookie year and it is why despite being on the field on a third of the Bills offensive snaps in 2022 he totalled just 20 targets. He did improve his route running a bit in year 2, and he is definitely a threat with the ball in his hands when actually the player he reminds me of isn't a receiver at all - it is Austin Ekeler - with that low centre of gravity and ability to twist and turn out of tackles and bounce out of contact.

 

Could he be a 1,000 yard receiver? I'm not sure for two reasons:

 

1. I still think the Bills will want to have a lot of 12 personnel packages where Kincaid essentially becomes their slot receiver. I don't think they are going to have that as the single base formation or anything like that, but they are going to want to use it some. In those packages Shakir either comes off the field or splits wide where he just isn't close to as effective for obvious reasons - alligator arms, route running, size.

 

2. I think Josh Allen is a downfield thrower. I don't know that he is every going to be Tom Brady who is happy to move down the field with running backs, tight ends and slot receivers. Partly because he doesn't throw those little option routes, screens and wheels with enough precision for YAC and partly because I think he can lose patience when you try and force him into that kind of game plan. So I'm not sure a shifty slot receiver like Shakir will get the level of targets he needs for a 1,000 yard season. 

 

He could probably do it once somewhere down the line.... Beas nearly did it for us in 2020. Lance Moore who was mentioned as another comparison somewhere in this thread did it once with Drew as well. But those true pure slot guys are rarely 1,000 yard guys on a regular basis. Edelman did it three times in six years with Brady but again I just don't think the Bills offense can or should be a replica of that New England offense. 

 

My realistic projection for Shakir in 2024 is something like, 80 targets, 60 catches, 820 yards, 4 TDs. 

 

Let me start with my projection. I know there is one game left (not sure how much he will play) but that is pretty spot on in terms of yards and TDs. He is at 821 and 4 TDs. He's done it on slightly more targets and receptions than I thought. We all knew his yards per reception would fall as his volume increased but I didn't quite account enough for that.... so 100 catches, 76 receptions to get to 821 and 4. 

 

Then in terms of my rationale I think point 1 has rung true to a large extent. Shakir has played 61% of our offensive snaps. He missed one game, so that plays a part, but he has been off the field a ton in big personnel packages which have been lots of 12, not necessarily the way I envisioned it, it has been more Anderson as a 6th lineman nominal 'jumbo tight end' rather than lots of Knox and Kincaid. But my general theory this was not the Daboll Bills offense that was gonna be in 75% 11 personnel has been correct. Point 2 has been less true. I think Josh has been more patient and Brady has designed the offense and the game plan in a way to allow Josh to still feel like he is being aggressive while showing patience and he has played his best ball. 

 

So has Khalil Shakir arrived? Yes I think he has. I think this is who he is. Could he have a 1,000 yard season somewhere in his career? My view hasn't changed on that - he could. But he isn't going to be a regular 1,000 yard receiver. He is much more of a guy who will live in that 750-900 yards range for the most part. That isn't a knock. It isn't a criticism. We should be celebrating a 5th round pick who we think turns into that sort of consistent contributor to the offense, not holding up 1,000 yards as some sort of arbitrary test of whether he is any good or not. 

[GunnerBill]

7 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Shakir is a much smaller target.    With his tiny arms he plays like he's 5'9" from the slot instead of the over-sized slot guy that Andre Reed was.   Reed would box coverage defenders out and then run away from them.   He was tough to slow down after he turned upfield.  Shakir turns into a running back after the catch.   More elusive and slippery.   It's a different style of YAC.  

 

We actually got a great look at the primary limitation to Shakir's game in recent weeks when Allen has tried a bucket drop deep ball that Shakir laughably short-armed and threw multiple end zone contested catch throws to Shakir that the DB swatted away like he was defending his son in the back yard.  Those long armed CB's easily reach around and swat it away from him just like they can easily jam him at the LOS on the boundary when he isn't in motion.  Contrast those swat-aways with the catches we just saw from Coleman and Cooper in the end zone Sunday.  

 

Shakir is really good at what he does.......he's(predictably) brought impact back to the slot for the past two seasons for the Bills.......but he isn't really anything like the all-around threat that Reed was.   It's not flattering to Reed's game to comp it to Shakir's.   Shakir has his own style........it's not Reed.......it's not Cole Beasley.

 

 

 

I stick by what I said pre-season. He is Austin Ekeler playing receiver. He runs routes a bit like a back in that it isn't about precision and getting to a spot it's about finding space, and then when he has the ball in his hands it is using his low centre of gravity and his natural contact balance to be slippery and tough for defenders to get down. 

[Jay_Fixit]

17 hours ago, Kelly to Allen said:

He reminded me of Andre Reed at Boise State. Ppl told me that's over the top but that's who I saw

On no planet is this even close to someone Shakir should remind anyone of. 

 

[Alphadawg7]

15 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

So when I literally quoted you verbatim from your original post in this very thread that was falsifying information?    

 

The post where you were also explaining to us that Shakir would have had over 2,000 yards if he had enough targets and assured us that he'd get over 1,000 yards.

 

And where you were pffft'ing things like @NoSaint for his Lance Moore comp........because you thought he was so much more?

 

You have replaced @eball as the resident triple threat "LAMP/gaslighter/fail-prediction thread" guy on TSW.

 

You made an over-the-top-thread full of hyperbolic off-season math......about a really good slot receiver.........and then later moved your predictions around hoping you could take credit for it regardless of what he produced.  

 

I mean I call that kind of sh!t out everywhere and anytime I see it on TSW.   That ain't personal.  You just happen to be a main culprit.   If you want to feel special, keep doing it.    

 

Your continuing to lie...or struggle with reading cpmprehension...its getting old and sad.  You need a new schtick.

[Kelly to Allen]

3 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said:

On no planet is this even close to someone Shakir should remind anyone of. 

 

 

He literally is almost identical.

Reed is 2 inches taller, that's about it 

 

Both were mid Rd picks

Both were from smaller schools ( Reed obviously much smaller)

Both live over the middle 

Both have unique feel for zones and covg over the middle 

Both have unique acceleration and yac ability 

Both have excellent hands and toughness 

 

They even look similar in how they play from from a stylistic standpoint.