Beane's First-Round Deals

[GunnerBill]

34 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

This isnt a great OT draft, we aren't moving Dawkins.  

 

Disagree. I think it is one of the better positions early in the draft.

 

Alt, Fashanu, Fautanu, Morgan, Fuaga, Mims, Guyton and Latham all have a legit chance to be round 1 picks. 

[EmotionallyUnstable]

1 hour ago, Virgil said:

 

Was it?  Crap, my brain is broke.  I thought we traded back into the 1st for Edmunds

Crazy to think about now in today’s day and age:

 

Allen Pick: sent #12, and two 2nds, for pick #7
 

Edmunds: sent #22 an early 3rd and 6th, for #16

[LEBills]

1 hour ago, Virgil said:

 

Was it?  Crap, my brain is broke.  I thought we traded back into the 1st for Edmunds

Nah we still had KCs first from the Mahomes trade. So we used the third we got from Cleveland in the Tyrod trade (1st pick of the third round) to move up from 22 to 16 to get Edmonds

[Virgil]

8 minutes ago, LEBills said:

Nah we still had KCs first from the Mahomes trade. So we used the third we got from Cleveland in the Tyrod trade (1st pick of the third round) to move up from 22 to 16 to get Edmonds

 

12 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

Crazy to think about now in today’s day and age:

 

Allen Pick: sent #12, and two 2nds, for pick #7
 

Edmunds: sent #22 an early 3rd and 6th, for #16

 

It's crazy to think about how well Beane positioned himself to make both of those picks.  We had a ton of draft capital

[Alphadawg7]

32 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Disagree. I think it is one of the better positions early in the draft.

 

Alt, Fashanu, Fautanu, Morgan, Fuaga, Mims, Guyton and Latham all have a legit chance to be round 1 picks. 

 

As I said in follow up clarification that its top heavy.  The OP is proposing we move Dawkins maybe for more ammo to trade up and get a WR.  So we would not be in play for the top heavy prospects in the OP's scenario as that would be used to get a WR.  So I don't want to be fishing around after the drop off for an OT late day 2 or worse day 3 to now protect our quarter of a billion dollar QB.  

 

 

Edited April 4 by Alphadawg7

[Shaw66]

18 minutes ago, Virgil said:

 

 

It's crazy to think about how well Beane positioned himself to make both of those picks.  We had a ton of draft capital

Well, he positioned himself for the Allen pick by first trading Glenn and picks to get #12.

 

I don't see how he can into the top 10 just trading picks.   He doesn't have the capital.   But a player and his first could get him there.  

 

Bills aren't trading Dawkins (or Spencer Brown?) to move up and expecting to get his replacement in the draft, so it doesn't matter how strong the tackle draft is.   The replacement would have to be on the team or available in free agency.   Edit:  Whoops, Dawg just said that.

 

As someone said - he's just a good bet to do something.

Edited April 4 by Shaw66

[gonzo1105]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

As I said in follow up clarification that its top heavy.  The OP is proposing we move Dawkins maybe for more ammo to trade up and get a WR.  So we would not be in play for the top heavy prospects in the OP's scenario as that would be used to get a WR.  So I don't want to be fishing around in the drop off for an OT late day 2 or worse day 3 to now protect our quarter of a billion dollar QB.  

 

First its a moot point because he's on a contract extension but I think there is some really good depth beyond the guys that GunnerBill pointed out already. Patrick Paul out of Houston, Kiran Amegadjie of Yale, and Roger Rosengarten of Washington(if you think he can stick out there) are all very good options. In my opinion there are other guys that go beyond this as well. I also really like Garrett Greenfield out of South Dakota State as a down the road type prospect.

[ddaryl]

2 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

  Does Kromer like Van Demark so much that he'd be willing to part with Dion Dawkins.   Dion and the Bills #1 for the Giants' #1? 

if we do this we take on ($41,944,499) in dead cap 

[SoonerBillsFan]

I think fans really need to lessen expectations on a trade up.  We aren't getting into the top 10 and nor should we give up the draft capital to do it.  So let mark the top 3 WR's off the list.

 

Beane really needs to be working OT with all the data, scouting etc. He can to grab a WR that has a good shot of being a stud somewhere in the teens,as that is about as high as we can, and should, move.

Edited April 4 by SoonerBillsFan

[Shaw66]

1 hour ago, ddaryl said:

if we do this we take on ($41,944,499) in dead cap 

Ooh.  Thanks.  That was among the things I didn't know.  So Dion's not a candidate. 

 

Who else might attract attention?  Spencer Brown?  No other lineman.  No linebacker.  Oliver and Epenesa probably have big cap hits, too.  Cook could be a candidate.  The reality is that if the Bills wanted to package a player and the first round pick to move way up, it would have to be a good player.   There aren't many of those on the roster who aren't either untouchable or carry big cap hits.  

36 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

I think fans really need to lessen expectations on a trade up.  We aren't getting into the top 10 and nor should we give up the draft capital to do it.  So let mark the top 3 WR's off the list.

 

Beane really needs to be working OT with all the data, scouting etc. He can to grab a WR that has a good shot of being a stud somewhere in the teens,as that is about as high as we can, and should, move.

Well, I don't disagree, but I know that Beane has a knack at surprises.   The reason I asked the question was to hear people speculate about how Beane might pull a rabbit out of a hat.   

 

If you think it's impossible to get up to the top 10, then I'd be looking for Beane to go after a quality number one who's already in the league. 

[Comebackkid]

2 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

One thing in the back of my mind and please correct me if I'm wrong.  Didn't Beane once say he had a hard time evaluating WR talent?  I swear I read or heard something like that.

 

That said...I could see him going ahead and trading #28 etc. For Aiyuk or Jefferson.  

if thats the case be better be for finding a damn good scout that can and quick

[SoonerBillsFan]

7 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Ooh.  Thanks.  That was among the things I didn't know.  So Dion's not a candidate. 

 

Who else might attract attention?  Spencer Brown?  No other lineman.  No linebacker.  Oliver and Epenesa probably have big cap hits, too.  Cook could be a candidate.  The reality is that if the Bills wanted to package a player and the first round pick to move way up, it would have to be a good player.   There aren't many of those on the roster who aren't either untouchable or carry big cap hits.  

Well, I don't disagree, but I know that Beane has a knack at surprises.   The reason I asked the question was to hear people speculate about how Beane might pull a rabbit out of a hat.   

 

If you think it's impossible to get up to the top 10, then I'd be looking for Beane to go after a quality number one who's already in the league. 

Agreed. That is why I am on the phone with the  Vikings.  We give them 28 and the 2nd we picked up to get Jefferson. And I remind them THREE  #1 picks helps them a lot more than 2, in order to move up and grab a QB.

[Shaw66]

33 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Agreed. That is why I am on the phone with the  Vikings.  We give them 28 and the 2nd we picked up to get Jefferson. And I remind them THREE  #1 picks helps them a lot more than 2, in order to move up and grab a QB.

I'm not sure it's so far-fetched.  

[gonzo1105]

2 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

I think fans really need to lessen expectations on a trade up.  We aren't getting into the top 10 and nor should we give up the draft capital to do it.  So let mark the top 3 WR's off the list.

 

Beane really needs to be working OT with all the data, scouting etc. He can to grab a WR that has a good shot of being a stud somewhere in the teens,as that is about as high as we can, and should, move.

I agree with you that it is much more highly likely they move into the teens than going all the way to 4,5, or 6. I think 9 is about as high as I can see them going for a sliding Odunze but see Brian Thomas as a much more likely scenario

[ghostwriter]

5 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

As I've tried to digest the hole left by Diggs' departure, I don't for a minute think that Beane is going to sit back and just do the best he can when his pick rolls around late in the first round.   That just isn't his style. 

 

We've often seen Diggs move around in the first round, and I think we will see it again.   He's done little moves, of course, up a pick or two or three, but we've seen at least two big moves:   Cordy Glenn and picks to move up to Cinci's pick (followed by the trade with Denver to go up and get Josh), and the Bills' first round pick to get Diggs.   Two big draft-related moves to fill a hole.  

 

It caused me to wonder what kind of things Beane could be considering now.   Others of you will have much better ideas than I, and I don't really know how to gauge value, cap, and all the other things that need to be considered, but two thoughts came to mind.

 

Maybe the Vikings want to make a bold move to get up to the top of the draft.   Maybe they have a vision for the future of a rebuilt roster.  Maybe they don't want to write a big check for a receiver.  Would they trade Justin Jefferson for the Bills' #1 and some other consideration?  They did it with Diggs, why not again?   Is Aiyuk still on his first contract?   Who else has a proven receiver with a contract the Bills can afford for a year?

 

Or, more along the Cordy Glenn line, who's the quality starter the Bills might package with their first round pick to move up to the top 10?  Does Kromer like Van Demark so much that he'd be willing to part with Dion Dawkins.   Dion and the Bills #1 for the Giants' #1?   What other players are good enough to bring interest but not so good that they're untouchable?  

 

Whatever, we can be sure that Beane is doing some creative thinking.

I could not agree more. I think Beane at the very minimum goes up for Brian Thomas Jr.. AND I think it’s very possible that he would go up to #8-#10 for Marvin Harrison Jr. or Malik Naber. I also expect a second WR will be added at some point during the draft. You’re absolutely right, Beane will not sit still.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

5 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

They only moved from 22 to 16 to get up for Edmunds. It wasn’t all that much of an investment but I do agree with your sentiment. 

He gave up a second round pick.

And he could have just stayed where he was and taken Fred Warner or Shaquille Leonard without giving up any picks.

Vander Esch was gone at 19 but may have been there ar 21 if Dallas took Edmunds. 

 

[Pete]

4 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I meant at OT...Isn't it top heavy and then takes a drop?  I mean if we are going WR early, I don't want to be fishing for a tackle on day 2 or 3 to protect our quarter of a billion dollar QB.  I could be wrong, as busy as I have been this year I haven't spent a lot of time on the positions I am not expecting us to be in the market for on draft day, at least early.  So I've mostly focused on WR, secondary, and DL.  

 

 

OT is top heavy.  There is going to be a big run on OT that will push WRs down the board IMO

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Go get Jefferson. Vikings are in full rebuild mode. Their 2nd round pick is going to be in the mid 30s at worst. Give them 28 and that pick and you still keep your first round pick in 2025. That still also preserves your 2nd round pick in 2025 for a second WR, Edge or safety. 

[Lost]

9 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Go get Jefferson. Vikings are in full rebuild mode. Their 2nd round pick is going to be in the mid 30s at worst. Give them 28 and that pick and you still keep your first round pick in 2025. That still also preserves your 2nd round pick in 2025 for a second WR, Edge or safety. 

 

That's a lot of cumulative money and draft capital all for a guy the Bills could have had anyway and been paying a rookie deal for.  

[Chaos]

6 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

 

Whatever, we can be sure that Beane is doing some creative thinking.

Us old guys don't want to accept, that it is all prepping for 2025, and that 2024 is a "whatever Josh can do" season.  Building excltement for PSL sales for the new stadium.