Do you think Allen feels relief after the Diggs trade?

[90sBills]

25 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Projection perhaps?

I'm not sure why I'd watch well over 500 Bills games if I hated them so much. To want your team to improve is the ultimate sign of fandom.

The Bills would have easily gone to OT if Allen was smart enough not to go for broke on a touchdown pass that even if he connected would have left KC with plenty of time to march down the field and win in regulation. Tactically, it was a terrible decision. The right play was the underneath throw to Diggs that would have picked up the first down and would have given us the chance to run out the clock with a walk off td.

This is where I hope he improves on. The mental part of the game. Processing quicker while having game situational awareness. That’s where he’s behind the best. If he improves on that his int’s would probably come down as well. 

[Beck Water]

31 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

I want him to get smarter, develop better judgement, and develop better and more consistent touch on the ball so that in critical situations we have the best chance to win.

 

I'm sure we all want that, but how do your wants prove Josh peaked in 2020 and hasn't improved in any of these factors since then?

[dave mcbride]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

I'm sure we all want that, but how do your wants prove Josh peaked in 2020 and hasn't improved in any of these factors since then?

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AlleJo02.htm

 

Case in point: Allen had the lowest sack rate in the league in 2023 and also fumbled the fewest times in his career. 7 fumbles is very low for a QB who runs as much as he does. That's a hugely important measure (sacks kill drives), but that poster isn't factoring it in because he's cherry picking stats.

Edited April 18 by dave mcbride

[Beck Water]

4 minutes ago, Eastport bills said:

Why was the decision terrible? Diggs was crappy all night with 3 receptions on 12 targets for 21 yds. Diggs was tentative and wasn’t aggressive on contested balls. Josh had an open receiver in the end zone when he got jostled stepping into the throw. Only a Josh/Bills hating 2nd guessing Monday morning QB wouldn’t acknowledge these facts. By the way, any Buffalo resident who only watches local channels can see 500 games and still hate the local team. Troll on.

 

Facts: Shakir had 7 of 9 for 78% catch rate that game.  Diggs was 3 of 8 (38%) with a fumble after the catch that wasn't a turnover only because Kincaid alertly batted it OOB for a 10 yd penalty.

 

Why wouldn't Josh trust Shakir in the EZ if he saw him open over Diggs?

[90sBills]

28 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

I think he is going to feel tremendous relief once the draft and mini camps are over.  Right now the Diggs stuff still has not ended....he is not here and today allen and others still have to talk about him.  

 

Once they add another wr or two in the draft/free agency over the next 10 days there should be some clarity with the issue.

 

The real relief is going to come when he gets to training camp and realizes its all football and no more odd distractions from Diggs.  Then with the new guys it is going to be great for him and the team.  

 

after they win a few games the constant Diggs talk should die down even from the cult following this guy has in the fanbase and the media.  

I disagree. The media will keep this talk up all season as long as Houston is on pace for the playoffs. They will talk up this narrative and hope Bills meet Houston in round 1. 

[teef]

[Royale with Cheese]

3 minutes ago, teef said:

 

Is your favorite comedian Sebastian Maniscalco?  

[teef]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Is your favorite comedian Sebastian Maniscalco?  

no, although i have seen him live.

 

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, teef said:

no, although i have seen him live.

 

 

I am seeing Tom Segura live next weekend.  He's Colombian so I don't know how Italians feel about them.  Not all Colombians are drug lords if that's what you're thinking...that's racial profiling.  

 

[Eastport bills]

25 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Facts: Shakir had 7 of 9 for 78% catch rate that game.  Diggs was 3 of 8 (38%) with a fumble after the catch that wasn't a turnover only because Kincaid alertly batted it OOB for a 10 yd penalty.

 

Why wouldn't Josh trust Shakir in the EZ if he saw him open over Diggs?

Thank you, I was incorrect in the amount of Diggs targets but he was short arming catch attempts and Snead was being more physical and smothering Diggs. Shakir was catching everything that night  That catch at the goal line for a TD was just a taste of what he will be with more responsibility.

[BullBuchanan]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

Facts: Shakir had 7 of 9 for 78% catch rate that game.  Diggs was 3 of 8 (38%) with a fumble after the catch that wasn't a turnover only because Kincaid alertly batted it OOB for a 10 yd penalty.

 

Why wouldn't Josh trust Shakir in the EZ if he saw him open over Diggs?

Maybe that's part of the problem. I'd prefer "trust" not be a part of his decision making at all. If Shakir was so open that no one was 20 yards around his, it was still the wrong play assuming that there was an underneath target available that would have allowed us to run out the clock. This is the kind of stuff that greats like Brady understood, and Mahomes knows it too.

If you score a touchdown to go up by 4 and then give Mahomes the ball with 2 minutes and 2 timeouts - then what we're looking at is a bunch of complaints that Allen left the field with the lead yet again and his defense couldn't get the job done. The same thing happens if Bass makes his kick. If I'm not mistaken, Mahomes still has the highest rate of game winning drives in that scenario in NFL history - surpassing Brady as of a couple years ago.

I need my QB to know that. This isn't 1994. Going up with 2 minutes to go isn't good enough when you have a chance to never give your opponent the ball back. Yes, we've already beat this topic to death, but these errors in judgment aren't limited to one pass in a game where Allen was otherwise our best player. They happen consistently, and if they didn't Allen has at least one ring by now. We can bemoan the other reasons like lack of weapons, or defensive letdowns all we want, but this one thing is completely within his control and is fixable if he wants to do so. I just don't think he does - at least not if it cuts into his golfing time or chasing hollywood starlets.

Edited April 18 by BullBuchanan

[teef]

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I am seeing Tom Segura live next weekend.  He's Colombian so I don't know how Italians feel about them.  Not all Colombians are drug lords if that's what you're thinking...that's racial profiling.  

 

don't tell me how to stereotype people.

[devldog131]

On 4/4/2024 at 11:49 AM, Rockinon said:

I think there was a general consensus that Buffalo's offense needed to evolve. It had to become more than just the Allen to Diggs show. I can only speculate, but it feels like the coaches wanted to get reps to other skill position players and Diggs wasn't on board with having a lesser role in the offense. I'm not sure that this means he was acting like a diva as some suggest, but I do think it is something that caused some friction. To me it just seems like a decision was made to move in a different direction. The offense all ready began doing that last year and we saw the number of reps for Diggs drop off significantly toward the end of the season.

 

I think Diggs is still a very good WR and will do well in Houston. If he stayed here, his production would have stagnated. Defenses were clearly doing everything they could to slow Diggs down and Buffalo's offense was forced to find other playmakers. Fortunately, guys like Shakir, Cook and Kincaid stepped up. The offense all ready began to evolve. I can't really go so far as to say that Diggs was too much of a drama queen. He is a great WR and every great wants the ball. The organization simply needed to move in a different direction.

 

To me, it looked like Brady was very focused on spreading the ball around when he took over. I think his approach is the right one. I'm excited to see what new wrinkles are added to make the offense even more explosive. It seems to me that the overall philosophy pointed toward having to move on from Diggs.

 

The offense started to evolve the minute Dorsey was fired and Brady took over the OC role. The game plans were more complete and far less reliant on Allen and Diggs being heroes, resulting in a much more balanced offense and significantly better production by the team as a whole (not to mention taking pressure off of the defense by effectively running the ball). Diggs didn't like his reduced production, but the only stats that matter at the end of the day are wins and losses.

 

Dorsey as OC - 10 games:

Winning %: .500 (5-5)

Points per game: 28.6 (skewed by weeks 2-4 blowouts against MIA, LV, WAS. 23.3ppg in the other 7)

Diggs receptions/game: 7.3

Diggs yards/game: 86.8

Diggs TD/Game: 0.5

 

Brady as OC - 9 games (including playoffs):

Winning %: 0.778 (7-2)

Points per game: 27.4

Diggs receptions/game: 4.9

Diggs yards/game: 43.1

Diggs TD/Game: 0.1

[Beast]

15 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Maybe that's part of the problem. I'd prefer "trust" not be a part of his decision making at all. If Shakir was so open that no one was 20 yards around his, it was still the wrong play assuming that there was an underneath target available that would have allowed us to run out the clock. This is the kind of stuff that greats like Brady understood, and Mahomes knows it too.

If you score a touchdown to go up by 4 and then give Mahomes the ball with 2 minutes and 2 timeouts - then what we're looking at is a bunch of complaints that Allen left the field with the lead yet again and his defense couldn't get the job done. The same thing happens if Bass makes his kick. If I'm not mistaken, Mahomes still has the highest rate of game winning drives in that scenario in NFL history - surpassing Brady as of a couple years ago.

I need my QB to know that. This isn't 1994. Going up with 2 minutes to go isn't good enough when you have a chance to never give your opponent the ball back. Yes, we've already beat this topic to death, but these errors in judgment aren't limited to one pass in a game where Allen was otherwise our best player. They happen consistently, and if they didn't Allen has at least one ring by now. We can bemoan the other reasons like lack of weapons, or defensive letdowns all we want, but this one thing is completely within his control and is fixable if he wants to do so. I just don't think he does - at least not if it cuts into his golfing time or chasing hollywood starlets.

 

Yeah, then on the next play there is a turnover and everyone is yelling why didn’t he throw the ball to Shakir in the endzone.

 

You act like football is such a sterile game. No sacks, penalties or turnovers ever happen. Things just go perfectly swell. Especially against one of the top defenses in the game. It is just so easy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[HappyDays]

2 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

he had a worse TD-int ratio

 

Are you still of the opinion that you "don't care about total TDs" when evaluating QBs?

[Beck Water]

50 minutes ago, Eastport bills said:

Thank you, I was incorrect in the amount of Diggs targets but he was short arming catch attempts and Snead was being more physical and smothering Diggs. Shakir was catching everything that night  That catch at the goal line for a TD was just a taste of what he will be with more responsibility.

 

I hope so, for Shakir.  In his rookie year, I thought he was struggling to release off the line and to run crisp routes with quick changes of direction.  In contrast, I was blown away watching him last season - big improvement, and no reason to think he'll stop.

 

You may have been thinking of Diggs in last year's playoffs vs. Cincinnati,  in which he was 4 of 10?

 

The take-home for me, would be that didn't strike either of us as an outlandish stat to attribute to Diggs in a playoff game.

[Beck Water]

29 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Maybe that's part of the problem. I'd prefer "trust" not be a part of his decision making at all. If Shakir was so open that no one was 20 yards around his, it was still the wrong play assuming that there was an underneath target available that would have allowed us to run out the clock. This is the kind of stuff that greats like Brady understood, and Mahomes knows it too.

 

"Trust" is always going to be a part of a great QB's decision making.  Receivers who played with Tom Brady talked about how they had to build "trust" with him - that after a season where they weren't happy with their targets, they traveled to where Tom Brady was working out, booked a room in a hotel, then busted their buns learning to run routes the way Brady wanted them to.  

 

Beasley talked about how he had to build trust with Josh, that they had to watch film together and talk about how he was going to adjust his routes if the defense did this or that, and then how he had to do exactly what he told Josh he would do even if he saw something different on the field he could exploit.  

 

Also, you talk as though there are no other outcomes of subsequent plays, but success.  Diggs fumbled on his first reception of the game.  Someone could fumble on the next play.  Then there would be talk about how Allen had Shakir open in the end zone and passed up great chance at a TD to run clock.  

 

It's just not as cut-and-dried "throw to Shakir = bad, regressing QB; throw to wide open Diggs near the 1st down marker = good, developing QB".

[Beck Water]

3 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

Josh hasn't meaningfully improved in the last 4 years. You think he's all of a sudden going to start getting better now?

This is just a load of nonsense. We're hating Diggs now because he doesn't engage with the media? lol. ok.

 

While we're talking about nonsense, did you happen to observe my post querying you?  You claim to believe the stats back you up on saying Josh Allen peaked in 2020 and hasn't improved in the last 4 years, so it seems only fair to ask you to explain specifically which stats you're pointing at.

 

As for your claim in this post, no, you're missing the point (such a shock - Not).  I don't hate Diggs, but if you want to extoll him as a leader, then shouldn't a leader take accountability in the media after the game?  "Diggs fumbled a catch, and had a catchable ball that could have changed the course of the game go through his hands.  Don't you think a leader should take some public accountability there?

By the way, "engaging with the media" is contractually, under the CBA one of a players obligations, and it's also the part of a team captain to show leadership by stepping up to interact on behalf of the team, after a loss. 

Edited April 18 by Beck Water

[julian]

1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said:

Maybe that's part of the problem. I'd prefer "trust" not be a part of his decision making at all. If Shakir was so open that no one was 20 yards around his, it was still the wrong play assuming that there was an underneath target available that would have allowed us to run out the clock. This is the kind of stuff that greats like Brady understood, and Mahomes knows it too.

If you score a touchdown to go up by 4 and then give Mahomes the ball with 2 minutes and 2 timeouts - then what we're looking at is a bunch of complaints that Allen left the field with the lead yet again and his defense couldn't get the job done. The same thing happens if Bass makes his kick. If I'm not mistaken, Mahomes still has the highest rate of game winning drives in that scenario in NFL history - surpassing Brady as of a couple years ago.

I need my QB to know that. This isn't 1994. Going up with 2 minutes to go isn't good enough when you have a chance to never give your opponent the ball back. Yes, we've already beat this topic to death, but these errors in judgment aren't limited to one pass in a game where Allen was otherwise our best player. They happen consistently, and if they didn't Allen has at least one ring by now. We can bemoan the other reasons like lack of weapons, or defensive letdowns all we want, but this one thing is completely within his control and is fixable if he wants to do so. I just don't think he does - at least not if it cuts into his golfing time or chasing hollywood starlets.

If this team needs improvement by arguably the 2nd best player in football and perennial MVP Candidate to win a title, then it’s about management and coaching greatly failing in their responsibilities to execute.

 

 You need new management and coaches if you need more outta 17.

[BullBuchanan]

38 minutes ago, julian said:

If this team needs improvement by arguably the 2nd best player in football and perennial MVP Candidate to win a title, then it’s about management and coaching greatly failing in their responsibilities to execute.

 

 You need new management and coaches if you need more outta 17.

Well, as long as they keep winning 10+ games a year when it doesn't matter, that isn't going to happen. McBeane is here for the forseeable future, and Josh will just keep getting older. When Josh retires in 5-10 years with zero rings (maybe even zero appearances), we can all bemoan how it was too bad he didn't have an elite defense that could stop Mahomes.

JA is the one player on the whole team that could make the difference himself. If he doesn't want to, that's fine, but he's actively choosing not to.