Buffalo03 Posted April 15 Posted April 15 7 minutes ago, mannc said: Give me a break...Nakua's played one year in the league and Kupp has had two down years in row. Keenan Allen wouldn't even sniff the top 20 at this point in his career and Diggs, Evans, and Adams are all over 30 and noticeably in decline, although all can still play...Olave is a good player, but there's absolutely no reason to think he's better than Aiyuk at this point in his career. Ok. You need to stop caring about age right now. If you wanted to give me Keenan Allen at Aiyuk's age. I'm taking Allen all day. And Adams had Garoppolo and Aiden O'Connell throwing to him last year and you're gonna say he is in decline? Lol. Give me Mike Evans right now at Aiyuk's age and I am taking Evans. I actually forgot about DJ Moore and maybe Garrett Wilson. Kupp had a catastrophic knee injury 2 years ago and just bounced back last year and got more into form as the year went on. Healthy, I'm taking Kupp. They are just better than Aiyuk, sorry Quote
BuffaloRebound Posted April 15 Posted April 15 One things for sure, Beane certainly has everybody guessing. Guess it makes it harder for other teams to sense desperation when a trade for a vet, a trade up in 1st round or sit tight at 28 are all believable scenarios. 1 Quote
Buffalo03 Posted April 15 Posted April 15 9 minutes ago, FireChans said: Hard disagree on Kupp, Nakua and Olave. Extremely hard disagree. Olave, I will give you. How about DJ Moore? And Kupp healthy isn't better than Aiyuk? Quote
FireChans Posted April 15 Posted April 15 5 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: Olave, I will give you. How about DJ Moore? And Kupp healthy isn't better than Aiyuk? He’s not better than DJ Moore. Kupp hasn’t been healthy in 2 seasons. I have very high concerns that he will be the 2021 version of himself in 2024 at 31 years old. Quote
mannc Posted April 15 Posted April 15 6 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: Ok. You need to stop caring about age right now. If you wanted to give me Keenan Allen at Aiyuk's age. I'm taking Allen all day. And Adams had Garoppolo and Aiden O'Connell throwing to him last year and you're gonna say he is in decline? Lol. Give me Mike Evans right now at Aiyuk's age and I am taking Evans. I actually forgot about DJ Moore and maybe Garrett Wilson. Kupp had a catastrophic knee injury 2 years ago and just bounced back last year and got more into form as the year went on. Healthy, I'm taking Kupp. They are just better than Aiyuk, sorry Why wouldn't I care about age? The issue is "which receiver would you rather have right now" because that's the decision any team wanting to sign Aiyuk has to ask, not "Who has had the more impressive career accomplishments?". No GM would take K Allen, Evans, Diggs, Adams or Kupp over Aiyuk right now and that's probably also true regarding Nakua, Olave and Wilson, even though they are really good young players. Tee Higgins is a pretty good comp, but Aiyuk is more explosive and just had a much better year than Higgins, who has been somewhat injury-prone. Aiyuk is about to sign a top four or five WR contract, that's for sure. Quote
Buffalo03 Posted April 15 Posted April 15 1 minute ago, FireChans said: He’s not better than DJ Moore. Kupp hasn’t been healthy in 2 seasons. I have very high concerns that he will be the 2021 version of himself in 2024 at 31 years old. He was very good in 2022 before his catastrophic injury. He started coming back to form a bit last season. We will have to see what happens. But a healthy in form Kupp, I'm taking over Aiyuk 2 minutes ago, mannc said: Why wouldn't I care about age? The issue is "which receiver would you rather have right now" because that's the decision any team wanting to sign Aiyuk has to ask, not "Who has had the more impressive career accomplishments?". No GM would take K Allen, Evans, Diggs, Adams or Kupp over Aiyuk right now and that's probably also true regarding Nakua, Olave and Wilson, even though they are really good young players. Tee Higgins is a pretty good comp, but Aiyuk is more explosive and just had a much better year than Higgins, who has been somewhat injury-prone. Aiyuk is about to sign a top four or five WR contract, that's for sure. It's about which WRs are top 10 guys right now. Of course I would take age and potential over a 33 year old guy but if a 33 year old guy is better than the 25 year old guy right now, I am going to acknowledge that. Quote
FireChans Posted April 15 Posted April 15 2 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: He was very good in 2022 before his catastrophic injury. He started coming back to form a bit last season. We will have to see what happens. But a healthy in form Kupp, I'm taking over Aiyuk Meh he was very good but he was still much less productive than 2021. And he had that lingering hammy last year. I like Kupp a lot. I don’t have him top 10 heading into 2024. Feel like that’s fair evaluation of a 31 year old WR who hasn’t eclipsed 1k in 2 seasons, has been oft injured and best days are probably behind him. 8 minutes ago, mannc said: Why wouldn't I care about age? The issue is "which receiver would you rather have right now" because that's the decision any team wanting to sign Aiyuk has to ask, not "Who has had the more impressive career accomplishments?". No GM would take K Allen, Evans, Diggs, Adams or Kupp over Aiyuk right now and that's probably also true regarding Nakua, Olave and Wilson, even though they are really good young players. Tee Higgins is a pretty good comp, but Aiyuk is more explosive and just had a much better year than Higgins, who has been somewhat injury-prone. Aiyuk is about to sign a top four or five WR contract, that's for sure. This is obvious. Keenan Allen was traded for a 4th. Diggs was traded for a 2nd. Will Higgins/Aiyuk be traded for that price, even despite them about to need a contract as well? Of course not. Quote
mannc Posted April 15 Posted April 15 10 minutes ago, FireChans said: Meh he was very good but he was still much less productive than 2021. And he had that lingering hammy last year. I like Kupp a lot. I don’t have him top 10 heading into 2024. Feel like that’s fair evaluation of a 31 year old WR who hasn’t eclipsed 1k in 2 seasons, has been oft injured and best days are probably behind him. This is obvious. Keenan Allen was traded for a 4th. Diggs was traded for a 2nd. Will Higgins/Aiyuk be traded for that price, even despite them about to need a contract as well? Of course not. Keenan Allen is barely a WR 2 right now. I guarantee the Bears draft a receiver on day 1 or day 2 who will supplant him this year or next. Quote
FireChans Posted April 15 Posted April 15 5 minutes ago, mannc said: Keenan Allen is barely a WR 2 right now. I guarantee the Bears draft a receiver on day 1 or day 2 who will supplant him this year or next. They would if they were smart. I’m not sure they are smart. Quote
mannc Posted April 15 Posted April 15 1 minute ago, FireChans said: They would if they were smart. I’m not sure they are smart. They seem to be getting smarter... Quote
DJB Posted April 15 Posted April 15 Bears should take which of the big 3 WR are left at 9 to pair with Caleb and they can grow together . Would be the best thing they could do for their franchise QB development 1 Quote
Buffalo03 Posted April 15 Posted April 15 (edited) 1 hour ago, mannc said: Keenan Allen is barely a WR 2 right now. I guarantee the Bears draft a receiver on day 1 or day 2 who will supplant him this year or next. Do you ever actually look at things before you make arguments? He has had 100 catches or more 5 of the last 7 seasons, and over 1000 yards in all but one of those including last year and the only season he didn't was because he missed some time. How do you figure he is barely a WR 2 now? Edited April 15 by Buffalo03 Quote
FireChans Posted April 15 Posted April 15 1 hour ago, mannc said: They seem to be getting smarter... Keeping their lame duck HC to get fired in the middle of Caleb’s rookie deal is not smart lol Quote
Alphadawg7 Posted April 15 Posted April 15 (edited) 2 hours ago, Buffalo03 said: Olave, I will give you. How about DJ Moore? And Kupp healthy isn't better than Aiyuk? Kupp has 2 seasons with over 1000 yards. Two. My wife is a die hard Niners fan, and so I watch every Niners game. You are grossly undervaluing and underestimating Aiyuk. I would take him in a heartbeat over Olave and Kupp...and he is at least as good as DJ Moore. I would say they are pretty close to each other. I don't think we should trade for him, but that doesn't mean you are accurately portraying him either. He is an excellent WR and would go off with a QB like Allen more than he already has. I mean look at what he is doing on a run heavy team with a 2nd year QB that doesn't have a big arm. 30 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: Do you ever actually look at things before you make arguments? He has had 100 catches or more 5 of the last 7 seasons, and over 1000 yards in all but one of those including last year and the only season he didn't was because he missed some time. How do you figure he is barely a WR 2 now? As much as you are underrating Aiyuk, you are now overrating Keenan for this next season. Is he still a quality player, yes, but he isn't the player he once was and if the over/under on yards was 1000 yards this year I would take the under all day. No disrespect, but you seem to be hung up on names more than being in tune to where some of these guys are right now. Kupp? Allen? No GM in the NFL would choose them over Aiyuk right now. Edited April 15 by Alphadawg7 1 1 Quote
FireChans Posted April 15 Posted April 15 12 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Kupp has 2 seasons with over 1000 yards. Two. My wife is a die hard Niners fan, and so I watch every Niners game. You are grossly undervaluing and underestimating Aiyuk. I would take him in a heartbeat over Olave and Kupp...and he is at least as good as DJ Moore. I would say they are pretty close to each other. I don't think we should trade for him, but that doesn't mean you are accurately portraying him either. He is an excellent WR and would go off with a QB like Allen more than he already has. I mean look at what he is doing on a run heavy team with a 2nd year QB that doesn't have a big arm. As much as you are underrating Aiyuk, you are now overrating Keenan for this next season. Is he still a quality player, yes, but he isn't the player he once was and if the over/under on yards was 1000. No disrespect, but you seem to be hung up on names more than being in tune to where some of these guys are right now. Kupp? Allen? No GM in the NFL would choose them over Aiyuk right now. Come on bro. Aiyuk over Julio Jones? Julio was filthy in 2015 Quote
Alphadawg7 Posted April 15 Posted April 15 (edited) 4 minutes ago, FireChans said: Come on bro. Aiyuk over Julio Jones? Julio was filthy in 2015 Ha I am assuming this is either sarcasm directed at the other poster who keeps naming old fogey WR's as better than Aiyuk...or you just replied to me by mistake since I didn't mention Julio lol Edited April 15 by Alphadawg7 1 Quote
NewEra Posted April 15 Posted April 15 9 minutes ago, FireChans said: Come on bro. Aiyuk over Julio Jones? Julio was filthy in 2015 Huh? Lol Quote
mannc Posted April 15 Posted April 15 36 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: Do you ever actually look at things before you make arguments? He has had 100 catches or more 5 of the last 7 seasons, and over 1000 yards in all but one of those including last year and the only season he didn't was because he missed some time. How do you figure he is barely a WR 2 now? Because he's old and no longer very good. He was the Chargers' WR 1 last year and they suffered because of it. They had a dink and dunk offense that scared absolutely no one and the fact that Keneen Allen was their best receiver was a big part of that. The fact that the Chargers dealt him for a fourth round pick should tell you something... 45 minutes ago, FireChans said: Keeping their lame duck HC to get fired in the middle of Caleb’s rookie deal is not smart lol I agree, but they've made some good moves recently, like picking up Carolina's first round pick and the trade for Montez Sweat... 1 Quote
FireChans Posted April 15 Posted April 15 23 minutes ago, mannc said: Because he's old and no longer very good. He was the Chargers' WR 1 last year and they suffered because of it. They had a dink and dunk offense that scared absolutely no one and the fact that Keneen Allen was their best receiver was a big part of that. The fact that the Chargers dealt him for a fourth round pick should tell you something... I agree, but they've made some good moves recently, like picking up Carolina's first round pick and the trade for Montez Sweat... None of it matters until they figure out the QB. We know this. Quote
mannc Posted April 15 Posted April 15 (edited) 1 minute ago, FireChans said: None of it matters until they figure out the QB. We know this. Well, they've certainly put themselves in a very good position to get a QB...now they just have to pick the right one... Edited April 15 by mannc Quote
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