Diggs trade aftermath...what this means for the offense, draft, other WR's still here...

[PBF81]

1 hour ago, BillMafia716ix said:

I’m sorry but to say the Bills are going to be better on offense without Diggs and Davis is crazy too me. I like Kincaid and Shakir but you’re not going to convince me having Diggs on the field didn’t open up things for them. I think Kincaid will be a stud for sure…but Shakir let’s pump the breaks on that. 

Josh without Diggs on the field is still an unknown. Just a lot of question marks on the offensive side of the ball right now to say they are going to be better. 

 

The only place anywhere that's saying that we'll be better offensively after this trade is a subset of fans here.  Nowhere else does anyone think that at face-value right now at this point in time are we improved, many think we're notably worse.  Out of about ten, I haven't seen one "grade" that's more positive than negative regarding this trade.  

 

As for me, I'm simply envious of what the Texans are doing to support Stroud, after one season, contrasted to how little we've done for Allen after 7 seasons.  

 

 

Edited April 3 by PBF81

[biggerdaddynj]

When Diggs got here it was because he forced his way out of Minny which I agreed with him on (that opnebrinir) and as excited as was and have been with Diggs (minus 2nd halves) I have been waiting for today.  He is addition (legit for the Bills tenure) by subtraction (in Minny—regardless of Jefferson—and his presence and “non-presence” here are top notch subtractions in the addition by subtraction scheme).

[Alphadawg7]

17 minutes ago, CDogg20 said:

The parallels between Diggs and Shakir are insane. I’m not sure we miss him as much as we think we will. Same height weight round drafted only separated by a few picks. Almost the same 40 time. He’s a very similar player. Now am I saying he is Diggs? No. But I think he can be. 

 

Diggs at his peak was a top 3 WR in the league and for a period the best deep ball WR in the NFL.  I am not ready to annoit Shakir to that potential level yet, but, I do think Shakir has a very high ceiling and too many people are underestimating him.  

 

Personally, I think he more accurately compares in style to Kupp, and no surprise because he admittedly studies Kupp and has tried to pattern his game off him.  But Kupp runs a 4.63 forty where Shakir is fast with a 4.43 forty time.  So Shakir has more deep speed potential, however, Kupp has elite short area burst and speed which is why Kupp seems to play so much faster than his 40 time would lead you to believe.  

 

Not saying he will reach Kupp's level, but then again, no one thought Kupp would get to that level either until it happened.  Personally, I think at the very least Shakir will be a very good WR2 who can move inside and out and is going to be a very good player for us and is the kind of guy Beane looks to resign in 2 years.  

[billsfanmd07]

I still see the drop on the bomb vs KC. That killed his role as #1 for this team....That changed the game. Good teams get rid of players just before the decline.

[VW82]

Diggs was getting bracket coverage in the second half of the season, and we still couldn't get open on the other side of the field. I just don't see how this isn't a major setback. 30M in dead cap this year is just devastating. 

 

Plus, while Shakir can play outside but Samuel is more of a slot. This trade leaves a gaping hole in the WR room. We can draft someone who will eventually become that guy but as for 2024 things just got a whole lot more difficult.

[PBF81]

37 minutes ago, CDogg20 said:

The parallels between Diggs and Shakir are insane. I’m not sure we miss him as much as we think we will. Same height weight round drafted only separated by a few picks. Almost the same 40 time. He’s a very similar player. Now am I saying he is Diggs? No. But I think he can be. 

 

What performance parallels?  

 

40-time, ht. wt. have nothing to do with performance.  There's gotta be hundreds of WRs over the past decade that had similar 40-time/ht./wt. that sucked as WRs in the NFL.  

 

Better parallels would be collegiate production (for Shakir) where there's no parallel or NFL production where there's zero parallel.  

 

Curious why you think that Shakir can now mirror Diggs' performance to date?  

 

 

Diggs Trade Aftermath ... 

 

It certainly puts the Bills @ Houston game on the calendar.  

 

Their offense should easily be better than ours.  If we lose that game, ... buckle up.  LOL  

 

 

[Billzgobowlin]

23 minutes ago, VW82 said:

Diggs was getting bracket coverage in the second half of the season, and we still couldn't get open on the other side of the field. I just don't see how this isn't a major setback. 30M in dead cap this year is just devastating. 

 

Plus, while Shakir can play outside but Samuel is more of a slot. This trade leaves a gaping hole in the WR room. We can draft someone who will eventually become that guy but as for 2024 things just got a whole lot more difficult.

Either way he was not the player he used to be and his shots when he was open equaled a lot of drops.  They set up life without him when all he could catch was behind the line passes

[BarleyNY]

3 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I will be the first to admit, I thought there was little chance Beane would trade Diggs before the draft unless one of 2 things happened:  He either got a huge offer he couldn't refuse or something behind the scenes made Diggs an "addition by subtraction" situation, kind of like Beanes first year here where he moved Sammy for a 2nd right away and then we dumped Darius for a 6th rounder to just get him away from the team midseason.

 

Well, we know we didn't get an "offer he couldn't refuse" given the overall compensation is pretty weak, especially for the cap hits we will take.  So, seems like there was more going on behind the scenes where Beane felt we were better off as a team if he was not on the roster this year.  So will be interesting to see what comes out after this, if anything.  

 

So where does that leave us as an offense with both Diggs and Davis, our top 2 WR's last 2 years, now gone?  I am gonna say this right out the gate, I think that not only are we fine, but we might be an even better offense in 2024 than we were in 2023.  Im no Diggs hater, but the reality is he commanded a lot of targets on a team that loves to spread the ball around.  

 

Looking back at last season, both Diggs and Davis were not more often than not barely showing up on the stat sheets during the back half of the season and playoffs.  Yet this team went 6-1 during that span to win the division and the 2 seed and almost made the AFCCG.  

 

Our roster right now:

We have an exciting nucleus of young talent on our offense today, even before the draft and with Diggs gone.  The combination of Shakir, Kincaid, and Cook are an exciting trio of young weapons who broke out last year and look to have bright futures.  Samuel is only 27 and here 3 years as well and is another quality weapon for this offense.  

• Shakir - He put up 611 yards on just 39 targets last year which is incredible.  That is an insane 13.5 yards per TARGET...not per catch, per target.  And that came with a catch rate of like 87% catch rate.  The guy made a lot of plays and was arguably our best WR down the stretch to obtain the 2 seed.  @BADOLBILZasked me what I think he can be and I flat out said this kid is a 1000+ yard WR IMHO on a lot of teams this year but would never get that chance in Buffalo (and no one likely would) as long as Diggs is here because he commands too many targets and then there are a lot of other mouths to feed after Diggs when you look at who is on the roster and the expected addition of a high round rookie in this draft.  
  • But now, with Diggs gone, I do think we will see Shakir flirt with a 1000 yards and maybe exceed it here in Buffalo this season.  There is still a lot of mouths to feed (Rookie, Samuel, Kincaid, Cook both running and recieving, etc) beyond Shakir, but I do think he will be Allens most trusted target this year and I will increase my prediction on him from pre-Diggs trade of 700-900 to now post Diggs trade of 900-1100 yards.  
• Kincaid - Like Shakir, his role just got bigger in terms of available targets.  How much bigger I think depends on how fast whatever rookie we take gels with Allen in the offense.  If the rookie comes in and rips off say 1200+ yard season, then I think Kincaid probably finishes more in that 700-850 yard range.  If the rookie is more of a 800-1100 rookie year, then I can see Kincaid hitting at least 800 yards and flirting with a 1000 potentially.  
• Samuel - I don't think his role changes much to be honest.  I think he is going to be a 700 yard type WR for us, a guy who is valuable but maybe his impact is more streaky.  Not a knock on him, more about there is only one football to go around and he has less time and rapport with Allen right now, so I think Shakir and Kincaid will have a leg up on targets, especially early on.  

 

Impact on the draft:

I honestly don't think this changes a whole lot for us in regards to the draft given its been very clear we were looking at WR early for a while now.  However, the biggest impact now is maybe in Beane's comfort on how aggressive he may want to be to get a guy.  With an extra 2nd rounder next year, he might feel more comfortable including our first next year if a guy he covets gets close enough where our first gets us there.  The 2nd rounder next year itself doesn't get us a lot of movement in this draft but our first can get us into the teens.  

 

Best case scenario for Bills (if Beane intends to get up and get a guy) is that these 3 things happen ahead of us:

1. A big QB run happens (Possible the first 4 picks could be QB's if AZ trades back with someone like Minny) 
2. Brock Bowers goes BEFORE one of the big 3 WR's (MHJ, Nabers, Odunze)
3. Someone over drafts Xavier Worthy before one of the big 3 after falling in love with his 40 time

 

If those 3 things happen, I think it is highly likely that one of either Nabers or Odunze fall into the back half of teens where using our first next year gets us into play for a move up to get one.  If only 2 of those things happen, still possible.  

 

If the Big 3 go before the 15th pick, then I think Beane might consider moving up for Thomas, although I am not sold he would be willing to go as high to get Thomas as he would one of the other 3.  

 

Predictions on next year:

I am actually quite excited to see more of Shakir, Kincaid and Cook next year to go along with a rookie and Samuel.  I think our offense has the potential to be even better in 2024 as it already proved better once those guys got more involved last year.  Diggs and the attention he commanded from the defense will be missed, but I think there are still plenty of weapons here and I think whatever rookie we bring combined with the talent of Allen will help command some of the attention Diggs was getting.  

 

I hate the cap hits...but I love the potential of what our young core and whatever rookie(s) we add to the fold can bring to this field as soon as this season.  

 

I said it when we signed Samuel, he's the Diggs replacement. Same style of Z/Y WR. We could've managed this season with Diggs, Samuel and a rookie sharing the load at X, but Samuel was going to take over for Diggs sooner or later. We needed an X before we traded Diggs and we need one now. Likewise my hope that the Bills will take a WR early and then another later hasn't changed.

[Ya Digg?]

No matter what you think of Diggs the person, objectively can anyone say the team is a better TEAM today than yesterday?  I don't think anyone reasonably can say that.  It's April, there's going to be moves made, let's see how the team looks in July/August/September

 

Also.....guess it's time I change my screen name

[gonzo1105]

That Samuel is going to get a lot more reps outside than people believe. I said it the moment we signed him while everyone was clamoring about us signing another slot guy 

[Nextmanup]

3 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

So, seems like there was more going on behind the scenes where Beane felt we were better off as a team if he was not on the roster this year.

There is no way in HELL, at least in the short term, we are better off as a football team WITHOUT Stefon Diggs.

 

Don't be foolish.

 

 

[BarleyNY]

20 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

No matter what you think of Diggs the person, objectively can anyone say the team is a better TEAM today than yesterday?  I don't think anyone reasonably can say that.  It's April, there's going to be moves made, let's see how the team looks in July/August/September

 

Also.....guess it's time I change my screen name

 

No question there will be less talent than with Diggs in the team. But. It is clear he wasn’t happy here and that the relationship was breaking down pretty badly. That can drag down production and create issues within the team. Also long term the team gains back $19M in cash and cap space as well as Minnesota’s 2025 second round pick.

 

Realistically how many more quality seasons does he have left? Years ago he was a top 4 WR, then he was a top 8 before this past season when he was top 16. He’ll likely fall off a bit more in 2024. 

 

Bummer about the screen name. I know a lot of fans are taking this hard.

[nosejob]

2 hours ago, MJS said:

I've liked Brian Thomas Jr. as a trade up target, but I listened to Locked On Bills and Joe Marino seems really high on Xavier Legette and has him rated higher than Thomas. Both of those guys are really intriguing to me. Both have size, speed, and explosiveness. If we could land either of them in round one, I'd be happy.

 

Marino describes Legette as a big, physical, alpha male receiver. He's a big receiver who plays big. Explosive accelerator. He can get off blocks in a hurry. Very good at yards after catch. Creative and sees the field well. He can win the edge on outside handoffs if you want to hand the ball off to him. Asset in the screen game and return game. He has that "my ball' mentality when the ball is in the air. Good body control and concentration.

 

And much more. He sounds perfect to me.

But, do they want him enough to not mind him being around 30 when 2nd contract comes up?  Personally, I'd love to have him and paired with Walker.

I figured they'd draft 2,but now maybe 3?

[MJS]

11 minutes ago, nosejob said:

But, do they want him enough to not mind him being around 30 when 2nd contract comes up?  Personally, I'd love to have him and paired with Walker.

I figured they'd draft 2,but now maybe 3?

What do you mean? He is 23. Even with the 5th year option he'd be 28 when his 2nd contract kicks in.

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

I'll come out and say it: at the moment the WR room is worse than what is was in 2019.

 

That's not to doom and gloom. There is still the draft. The Lions and Niners did amazing things with multi right end sets and Kincaid, Shakir and Samuel seem like ideal fits and the Bills have committed to Knox so we might as well use him.

 

[SirAndrew]

I still believe there’s a chance we don’t make any big splash at the receiver position. I don’t think there’s going to be a big trade, and wouldn’t be shocked if we don’t draft WR in the first round. This isn’t what I prefer, but I’m not convinced this regime values that position as much as fans and the media. 

[nosejob]

11 minutes ago, MJS said:

What do you mean? He is 23. Even with the 5th year option he'd be 28 when his 2nd contract kicks in.

I heard 24 going into the season. The same as Shakir going into his 3rd yr. That was Brown and Tasker talking.

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, Nextmanup said:

There is no way in HELL, at least in the short term, we are better off as a football team WITHOUT Stefon Diggs.

 

Don't be foolish.

 

 

 

Disagree...not saying we are for sure better, but Diggs was a minor part of the offense second half the season and postseason.  Our offense was fine and we went 6-1 to go from out of the playoffs to the 2 seed.  

 

If we draft a rookie that gels well with Allen early that can help command some attention, then I very much believe this offense can be better.

 

You forget...yes we subtract Diggs...but we have Shakir entering now his 3rd year and poised for an even bigger role and we have Kincaid entering his 2nd season and taking on a bigger role, and Cook broke out last year and poised for a big role again.  We are not devoid of talent, and the young talent now has a year or two of experience and will be better than they were last year.  

 

So net gain or loss with Diggs is not as extreme as people think.  And I think Samuel is a valuable addition too.  

 

The key will be how much the rookie can contribute year 1...if he comes in and takes off right away I definitely think this is a better offense in 2024 than 2023.

[Lost]

4 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Im no Diggs hater, but the reality is he commanded a lot of targets on a team that loves to spread the ball around.

 

This is worth noting.   I'll be quite happy that Josh wont have to feel obligated to force throws to Diggs just to keep him happy anymore.   Now he can just focus on moving the chains.  

[90sBills]

1 hour ago, Nextmanup said:

There is no way in HELL, at least in the short term, we are better off as a football team WITHOUT Stefon Diggs.

 

Don't be foolish.

 

 

Better as a team is not the same as a better team. In that context I agree. The distractions were too much to bear. 

5 minutes ago, Lost said:

 

This is worth noting.   I'll be quite happy that Josh wont have to feel obligated to force throws to Diggs just to keep him happy anymore.   Now he can just focus on moving the chains.  

Flip side is he won’t be here to attract defensive coverages that opens up for other guys. It’ll be interesting how defenses will play them this season.