papazoid Posted April 8 Posted April 8 7 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Seriously? Clearly this was the best he was able to negotiate. Considering Diggs nonsense on social media and desire to shred his contract so he can hit the market after next year....getting a 2nd is a good trade Not to mention we gained a lot of future cap space. beane got great value for a 1 yr rental this other discussion revolves around some who think that because it's a 2025 2nd round pick....that its only worth half as much as if it was a 2024 2nd round pick....which i do not believe 2 Quote
Logic Posted April 8 Posted April 8 (edited) 12 minutes ago, papazoid said: beane got great value for a 1 yr rental this other discussion revolves around some who think that because it's a 2025 2nd round pick....that its only worth half as much as if it was a 2024 2nd round pick....which i do not believe "Half as much" is not accurate, but it is true that in the context of trading draft picks, they lose one round of value for each year into the future that they are. So a 2025 2nd is equivalent in value to a 2024 3rd, and a 2026 2nd is equivalent in value to a 2024 4th. Now, this formula only speaks to the value of picks in relation to their use in trades. If you look at any draft trade chart, be it Jimmy Johnson's or Rich Hill's, you'll see that this is true. That said, even if we consider the pick to be of 3rd round value, it STILL seems like a good return for a 30 year old WR on what has become a one-year deal. One need look no further than the compensation given up for Amari Cooper, Jerry Jeudy, Diontae Johnson, etc -- not to mention the comparative compensation given up for guys at other positions like Sneed and Burns -- to see that Beane did quite well. All of that said, there's a pretty good chance the pick winds up being a high one next year. Assuming the Vikings have a losing record -- not a crazy assumption if they start a rookie or Sam Darnold -- we could be looking at something like the 38th to 45th pick in the draft! Edited April 8 by Logic 1 Quote
papazoid Posted April 8 Posted April 8 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Logic said: "Half as much" is not accurate, but it is true that in the context of trading draft picks, they lose one round of value for each year into the future that they are. So a 2025 2nd is equivalent in value to a 2024 3rd, and a 2026 2nd is equivalent in value to a 2024 4th. Now, this formula only speaks to the value of picks in relation to their use in trades. If you look at any draft trade chart, be it Jimmy Johnson's or Rich Hill's, you'll see that this is true. That said, even if we consider the pick to be of 3rd round value, it STILL seems like a good return for a 30 year old WR on what has become a one-year deal. One need look no further than the compensation given up for Amari Cooper, Jerry Jeudy, Diontae Johnson, etc -- not to mention the comparative compensation given up for guys at other positions like Sneed and Burns -- to see that Beane did quite well. All of that said, there's a pretty good chance the pick winds up being a high one next year. Assuming the Vikings have a losing record -- not a crazy assumption if they start a rookie or Sam Darnold -- we could be looking at something like the 38th to 45th pick in the draft! i will glady trade you my 2025 3rd round pick for your 2027 1st round pick i have two 2024 4th round picks.....i will trade both of them for your 2026 2nd & your 2027 1st Edited April 8 by papazoid 2 2 Quote
Logic Posted April 8 Posted April 8 3 minutes ago, papazoid said: i will glady trade you my 2025 3rd round pick for your 2027 1st round pick Haha. Point taken, but...Don't shoot the messenger. I'm not the one who came up with this stuff. 1 Quote
MasterStrategist Posted April 8 Posted April 8 8 minutes ago, papazoid said: i will glady trade you my 2025 3rd round pick for your 2027 1st round pick i have two 2024 4th round picks.....i will trade both of them for your 2026 2nd & your 2027 1st I know you're joking but the value changes completely looking beyond 1+ years. Just passing along info that is widely available and actually was used in the Vikings /Texans trade recently 14 minutes ago, Logic said: "Half as much" is not accurate, but it is true that in the context of trading draft picks, they lose one round of value for each year into the future that they are. So a 2025 2nd is equivalent in value to a 2024 3rd, and a 2026 2nd is equivalent in value to a 2024 4th. Now, this formula only speaks to the value of picks in relation to their use in trades. If you look at any draft trade chart, be it Jimmy Johnson's or Rich Hill's, you'll see that this is true. That said, even if we consider the pick to be of 3rd round value, it STILL seems like a good return for a 30 year old WR on what has become a one-year deal. One need look no further than the compensation given up for Amari Cooper, Jerry Jeudy, Diontae Johnson, etc -- not to mention the comparative compensation given up for guys at other positions like Sneed and Burns -- to see that Beane did quite well. All of that said, there's a pretty good chance the pick winds up being a high one next year. Assuming the Vikings have a losing record -- not a crazy assumption if they start a rookie or Sam Darnold -- we could be looking at something like the 38th to 45th pick in the draft! Half as much is pretty darn close...it's actually worth a bit less than half, based on trade value charts 1 Quote
papazoid Posted April 8 Posted April 8 5 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said: I know you're joking but the value changes completely looking beyond 1+ years. Just passing along info that is widely available and actually was used in the Vikings /Texans trade recently Half as much is pretty darn close...it's actually worth a bit less than half, based on trade value charts i'm not joking after several years of you and i trading like this....you will wind up with the first pick in the draft.....and it will be mine Quote
papazoid Posted April 8 Posted April 8 in fact.....i will trade you my entire 2024 draft.....except my 1st rounder my 2024 - 2nd for your 2025 1st my 2024 - 3rd for your 2026 1st my 2024 - 4th for your 2027 1st my 2024 - 5th for your 2028 1st my 2024 - 6th for your 2029 1st my 2025 - 7th for your 2030 1st on behalf of the Academy....i accept my executive of the year award.....i'd like to thank my parents..... 2 1 Quote
MasterStrategist Posted April 8 Posted April 8 2 minutes ago, papazoid said: in fact.....i will trade you my entire 2024 draft.....except my 1st rounder my 2024 - 2nd for your 2025 1st my 2024 - 3rd for your 2026 1st my 2024 - 4th for your 2027 1st my 2024 - 5th for your 2028 1st my 2024 - 6th for your 2029 1st my 2025 - 7th for your 2030 1st on behalf of the Academy....i accept my executive of the year award.....i'd like to thank my parents..... The only trade a team would possibly due is the 1st scenario you listed. Again, going beyond 1 year isn't super common (unless a team massively covets a player). Quote
papazoid Posted April 8 Posted April 8 6 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said: The only trade a team would possibly due is the 1st scenario you listed. Again, going beyond 1 year isn't super common (unless a team massively covets a player). how bout my 2024 - 2nd for your 2025 1st my 2025- 2nd for your 2026 1st my 2026 - 2nd for your 2027 1st my 2027 - 2nd for your 2028 1st my 2028 - 2nd for your 2029 1st my 2029 - 2nd for your 2030 1st 1 Quote
MasterStrategist Posted April 8 Posted April 8 8 minutes ago, papazoid said: how bout my 2024 - 2nd for your 2025 1st my 2025- 2nd for your 2026 1st my 2026 - 2nd for your 2027 1st my 2027 - 2nd for your 2028 1st my 2028 - 2nd for your 2029 1st my 2029 - 2nd for your 2030 1st If you're being serious, no LOL. Personally, if I'm giving up a future 1st, it's because I'm moving up for a QB, or a generational talent at WR/LT/CB. I think you're taking my original point WAY out of context. At no point was I discussing trading a future 1st. I'm trying to convey that I think Beane is highly likely to move next years 2nd (either Min or ours), to move up in the 1st or 2nd round Quote
RunTheBall Posted April 8 Posted April 8 What the Vikings second round pick does is give Beane the leeway to use our 2025 First round pick to move up if he feels the need and still have 2 picks in the top 64 in 2025. Quote
Albany,n.y. Posted April 8 Posted April 8 1 hour ago, papazoid said: beane got great value for a 1 yr rental this other discussion revolves around some who think that because it's a 2025 2nd round pick....that its only worth half as much as if it was a 2024 2nd round pick....which i do not believe Similar value when Beane traded Sammy Watkins as a 1 year rental by the Rams. He used that pick as part of the trade up for Josh Allen. Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 8 Posted April 8 (edited) Diggs really wants the world to know he’s putting in work for Houston. Last year we got runways and fashion. Edited April 8 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted April 8 Posted April 8 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Diggs really wants the world to know he’s putting in work for Houston. Last year we got runways and fashion. He loves the attention. He's a 2 face. Just wait until he becomes the 3rd option for CJ in their offense 1 1 Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 8 Posted April 8 1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said: He loves the attention. He's a 2 face. Just wait until he becomes the 3rd option for CJ in their offense They’re going to be good. He’s going to be good. They could literally have 3 1,000 WRs next year. There’s enough to go around. They’re going to throw a lot. I’ve heard Beane, McDermott, and Allen talk about Diggs being a fashion model. Now they trade him and it’s all football on his social media. Diggs is a troll IMO. And he loves being a troll. I think he also orchestrated this whole thing. He’s a dick at the end of the day. Can’t trust him. 1 Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted April 8 Posted April 8 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: They’re going to be good. He’s going to be good. They could literally have 3 1,000 WRs next year. There’s enough to go around. They’re going to throw a lot. I’ve heard Beane, McDermott, and Allen talk about Diggs being a fashion model. Now they trade him and it’s all football on his social media. Diggs is a troll IMO. And he loves being a troll. I think he also orchestrated this whole thing. He’s a dick at the end of the day. Can’t trust him. He acted the same way when he first got here. Diggs met up with Allen and they started connecting 1 Quote
ToGoGo Posted April 8 Posted April 8 2 hours ago, papazoid said: i will glady trade you my 2025 3rd round pick for your 2027 1st round pick i have two 2024 4th round picks.....i will trade both of them for your 2026 2nd & your 2027 1st Haha. Thanks for calling this out. Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 8 Posted April 8 10 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: He acted the same way when he first got here. Diggs met up with Allen and they started connecting So why’d it stop? Quote
GoBills808 Posted April 8 Posted April 8 11 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: So why’d it stop? because give a man a reputation as an early riser and he can sleep in till noon as evidenced by posters in this and other threads...that's diggs and winning/being competitive/et al 1 Quote
Danger Mouse Posted April 8 Posted April 8 2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: because give a man a reputation as an early riser and he can sleep in till noon as evidenced by posters in this and other threads...that's diggs and winning/being competitive/et al A wise man speaks Quote
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