Warriorspikes51 Posted April 8 Posted April 8 3 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: What I found telling and smart for both the team and the players was the Texans and Diggs re-worked his contract into a 1 year deal. Which effectively gets both parties what they want out of 2024. The Texans get a player motivated to not cause trouble or make a scene and play his best football because he's on a one year deal and auditioning for free agency in 2025 and Diggs, perhaps having another 1,000 yard season, gets his choice of destinations and one more big pay day after the 2024 season is over and free agency begins. If he stays with the Bills, assuming they draft a potential WR1 in the first round Diggs might have seen an even lesser role in the 2024 which would have lowered his value if the Bills cut him loose after the 2024 season. except Houston has 2 quality players in Nico Collins and Tank Dell Quote
Low Positive Posted April 8 Posted April 8 5 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: What I found telling and smart for both the team and the players was the Texans and Diggs re-worked his contract into a 1 year deal. Which effectively gets both parties what they want out of 2024. The Texans get a player motivated to not cause trouble or make a scene and play his best football because he's on a one year deal and auditioning for free agency in 2025 and Diggs, perhaps having another 1,000 yard season, gets his choice of destinations and one more big pay day after the 2024 season is over and free agency begins. It worked out well for all parties, except for the only one that I actually care about. It never should have come to this. Quote
Matt_In_NH Posted April 8 Posted April 8 28 minutes ago, Low Positive said: It worked out well for all parties, except for the only one that I actually care about. It never should have come to this. Diggs forced it….Joe Marino had a good rant on it. F him let’s move on. This will open up cap in the future for other stars who want to be here 1 1 2 Quote
julian Posted April 8 Posted April 8 What did Houston give up to obtain the 2nd round pick from the Vikings that they traded to Buffalo for Diggs ? Quote
Low Positive Posted April 8 Posted April 8 11 minutes ago, julian said: What did Houston give up to obtain the 2nd round pick from the Vikings that they traded to Buffalo for Diggs ? "In the deal, the Vikings acquired the No. 23 overall pick in the first round and the No. 232 selection (seventh round). The Texans get No. 42 overall (second round), No. 188 (sixth round), and a second-round pick in 2025, per Rapoport and Pelissero." https://www.nfl.com/news/vikings-texans-trade-first-round-pick-2024-nfl-draft 1 Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted April 8 Posted April 8 (edited) 41 minutes ago, julian said: What did Houston give up to obtain the 2nd round pick from the Vikings that they traded to Buffalo for Diggs ? The Vikings and Houston Texans have agreed to a trade that nets Minnesota an additional 2024 first-round pick, In the deal, the Vikings acquired the No. 23 overall pick in the first round and the No. 232 selection (seventh round). The Texans get No. 42 overall (second round), No. 188 (sixth round), and a second-round pick in 2025, per Rapoport and Pelissero. It would have been really nice if we got the 42nd pick this year in the deal....oh well Edited April 8 by Warriorspikes51 1 Quote
CaptnCoke11 Posted April 8 Posted April 8 28 minutes ago, wppete said: This was common years ago QBs laying into players. Not so much anymore with everyone being offended by everything 1 Quote
papazoid Posted April 8 Posted April 8 (edited) 1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said: The Vikings and Houston Texans have agreed to a trade that nets Minnesota an additional 2024 first-round pick, In the deal, the Vikings acquired the No. 23 overall pick in the first round and the No. 232 selection (seventh round). The Texans get No. 42 overall (second round), No. 188 (sixth round), and a second-round pick in 2025, per Rapoport and Pelissero. It would have been really nice if we got the 42nd pick this year in the deal....oh well according to the draft value chart minn gets #23 pick in 2024 draft is worth 760 points hou gets #42 pick in 2024 draft is worth 480 points hou gets #188 pick in 2024 draft is worth 16 points hou gets #42 ?? pick in 2025 draft is worth 480 points (which could go higher if minn struggles with new qb) which they just gave to bills hou TOTAL POINTS is 976 vs the 760 they gave up Edited April 8 by papazoid Quote
MasterStrategist Posted April 8 Posted April 8 6 minutes ago, papazoid said: according to the draft value chart minn gets #23 pick in 2024 draft is worth 760 points hou gets #42 pick in 2024 draft is worth 480 points hou gets #188 pick in 2024 draft is worth 16 points hou gets #42 ?? pick in 2025 draft is worth 480 points (which could go higher if minn struggles with new qb) which they just gave to bills hou TOTAL POINTS is 976 vs the 760 they gave up Usually a future pick (1 yr out) is projected as a mid rounder and value divided by 2. But in Min situation, I think it's safe to say they'll be selecting between 33-40. Likely valued in the 500s and divided by 2. So subtract around 220-250 points from Hou tally (976-220=756). It was a fair trade, with upside to Hou. Quote
papazoid Posted April 8 Posted April 8 8 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said: Usually a future pick (1 yr out) is projected as a mid rounder and value divided by 2. if that is true would you trade your next years 2025 @ 2nd round pick for my this years 2024 @ 3rd round Quote
MasterStrategist Posted April 8 Posted April 8 Just now, papazoid said: if that is true would you trade your next years 2025 @ 2nd round pick for my this years 2024 @ 3rd round Possibly. My preference would be to move up into 35-40 range, from pick 60 in Rd 2, and get another highly graded WR (in addition to Rd 1) Quote
papazoid Posted April 8 Posted April 8 4 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said: Possibly. My preference would be to move up into 35-40 range, from pick 60 in Rd 2, and get another highly graded WR (in addition to Rd 1) if your willing to trade your next years 480 points (2nd round pick) for my this years 220 points (3rd round pick) i'd do that every year with ya. to me this years 42nd pick is worth exactly the same as next years 42nd pick. Quote
LLCoolCy Posted April 8 Posted April 8 SIAP: reading the MMQB Breer had a couple nuggets. 1. the Trade had been discussed for a month. 2. Texans were the only team offering a 2nd. (Read to me like no other team was close to a 2nd) 1 Quote
MasterStrategist Posted April 8 Posted April 8 5 minutes ago, papazoid said: if your willing to trade your next years 480 points (2nd round pick) for my this years 220 points (3rd round pick) i'd do that every year with ya. to me this years 42nd pick is worth exactly the same as next years 42nd pick. It's fine to have that opinion, but that line of thinking is quite different than many NFL GMs. Not only a year later, but depends how NFL GMs view next years potential draft class. They're scouting ahead, and looking at team needs for this year and beyond. I think any trade scenario discussed is possible (ie:move up in Rd 1 or Rd 2, acquire a 3rd Rd). I am fairly confident that Beane will use Min's 2nd rd pick (2025) as a trade piece during this draft, or maybe I'm just hopeful. Looking at 2025 cap/our situation, we should have the ability to acquire a decent haul in FA. For 2024, I think we "need": Boundary WRs (both high picks), S #3 that competes for starter role/ready to take over in 2025, DT (3 tech), and a 4th corner (outside). RB2, DE and OL depth are nice to haves, but think we sign post June 1st (perhaps OL depth is primarily set) Quote
Augie Posted April 8 Posted April 8 29 minutes ago, papazoid said: if your willing to trade your next years 480 points (2nd round pick) for my this years 220 points (3rd round pick) i'd do that every year with ya. to me this years 42nd pick is worth exactly the same as next years 42nd pick. I always thought the “next year’s pick” was overly discounted by some and applies mostly when you have a regime who is less secure in their standing so they need to win now. I like future picks if you get them discounted. I mean, you end up using them! Quote
hondo in seattle Posted April 8 Posted April 8 It's an interesting trade because you could argue that everyone loses... The Bills lose their best receiver with only a 2nd round draft pick to show for it. The Texans rent a declining wideout for $22.5 million for one year of service. Diggs has 3 years cut from a lucrative contract at a time in his career when big money offers may never happen again. Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted April 8 Posted April 8 (edited) 6 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: It's an interesting trade because you could argue that everyone loses... The Bills lose their best receiver with only a 2nd round draft pick to show for it. The Texans rent a declining wideout for $22.5 million for one year of service. Diggs has 3 years cut from a lucrative contract at a time in his career when big money offers may never happen again. The Bills rid themselves of a WR who was fantastic for us... however has begun to decline (at least within our usage of him) & brings negative two faced energy to the team... has failed in general in the playoffs. Takes passive aggressive shots at Josh Allen and the Bills on twitter. Josh Allen gets to show how great he is with a fresh start and new WR's to gel with Edited April 8 by Warriorspikes51 Quote
papazoid Posted April 8 Posted April 8 35 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said: It's fine to have that opinion, but that line of thinking is quite different than many NFL GMs. Not only a year later, but depends how NFL GMs view next years potential draft class. They're scouting ahead, and looking at team needs for this year and beyond. I think any trade scenario discussed is possible (ie:move up in Rd 1 or Rd 2, acquire a 3rd Rd). I am fairly confident that Beane will use Min's 2nd rd pick (2025) as a trade piece during this draft, or maybe I'm just hopeful. Looking at 2025 cap/our situation, we should have the ability to acquire a decent haul in FA. For 2024, I think we "need": Boundary WRs (both high picks), S #3 that competes for starter role/ready to take over in 2025, DT (3 tech), and a 4th corner (outside). RB2, DE and OL depth are nice to haves, but think we sign post June 1st (perhaps OL depth is primarily set) the only GM's who think this years 42nd pick is more valuable than next years 42nd.....is one who thinks he will be fired after this season and not around to use next years pick if his team doesn't improve this season. totally short term selfish reason....not in the best long term interests of the team 3 Quote
hondo in seattle Posted April 8 Posted April 8 Just now, Warriorspikes51 said: The Bills rid themselves of a WR who was fantastic for us... however has begun to decline (at least within our usage of him) & brings negative two faced energy to the team... has failed in general in the playoffs. Takes passive aggressive shots at Josh Allen and the Bills on twitter I'm not bemoaning the trade. I'm convinced that it would be a mistake to keep Diggs for four more years on a cap-killing contract. I also tend to think that there's more behind-the-scenes going on with Diggs and his attitude than we know. On the other hand, Diggs counts something like $30 million against our cap this year - and he'll be playing for an opponent. It's screwed up - not Beane's best moment. Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted April 8 Posted April 8 (edited) 4 minutes ago, papazoid said: the only GM's who think this years 42nd pick is more valuable than next years 42nd.....is one who thinks he will be fired after this season and not around to use next years pick if his team doesn't improve this season. totally short term selfish reason....not in the best long term interests of the team Seriously? Clearly this was the best he was able to negotiate. Considering Diggs nonsense on social media and desire to shred his contract so he can hit the market after next year....getting a 2nd is a good trade Not to mention we gained a lot of future cap space. Edited April 8 by Warriorspikes51 Quote
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