Jrb1979 Posted April 6 Posted April 6 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: That's every single team The Chiefs only go as far as mahomes and would only win six games without him That's not true. The Bengals won a bunch of games without Burrow last season cause of the talent around him. 1 1 Quote
Buffalo716 Posted April 6 Posted April 6 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said: That's not true. The Bengals won a bunch of games without Burrow last season cause of the talent around him. They went 4-3 beating a Steelers team that can't score ... A depleted browns team , and a colts team that gave up more points than they scored and a 7-10 Vikings teams I think Mitch trubisky on the bills could beat three of those teams at least You keep talking about talent around the quarterback but the bills were ranked as a top five talented team the last 2 years... Nobody had the bills outside of the top five overall talent Edited April 6 by Buffalo716 Quote
GoBills808 Posted April 6 Posted April 6 9 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: That's every single team The Chiefs only go as far as mahomes and would only win six games without him Not really Browns and Steelers both made playoffs w backup QBs Eagles won a SB w a backup even when Mahomes got injured in that playoff game Henne immediately went on a 98 yard TD drive 1 1 Quote
Jrb1979 Posted April 6 Posted April 6 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: They went 4-3 beating a Steelers team that can't score ... A depleted browns team , and a bad colts team and a 7-10 Vikings teams I think Mitch trubisky on the bills could beat three of those teams at least You keep talking about talent around the quarterback but the bills were ranked as a top five talented team the last 2 years... Nobody had the bills outside of the top five overall talent Let's not act like the Bills were world beaters on their streak either. I'm not saying they have no talent but as was posted in another thread, they lack elite talent. As group they are good but don't have that standout WR, or defensive players. You can't tell me the Bills WR group is better than the Bengals. Quote
Buffalo716 Posted April 6 Posted April 6 (edited) 4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Not really Browns and Steelers both made playoffs w backup QBs Eagles won a SB w a backup even when Mahomes got injured in that playoff game Henne immediately went on a 98 yard TD drive The adage is basically true in the NFL If you have two quarterbacks you have none... For the most part There have been plenty of people to get hot for a short stint... But even history relegated Nick foles back to the bench and Carson Wentz is not a starter They had two quarterbacks playing good and realistically none turned out to be long-term starters They got hot at the right time which could happen Point stands if you have a franchise quarterback and he goes down for a good amount of time you're going to struggle Chad henne cannot play 15 games and win All three of the Steelers quarterbacks are basically on the same level so it didn't matter who they played I don't think the Bengals could win nine games with Browning throughout entire season Of course there are always outliers... But that's why they're called outliers Edited April 6 by Buffalo716 Quote
GoBills808 Posted April 6 Posted April 6 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: The adage is basically true in the NFL If you have two quarterbacks you have none... There have been plenty of people to get hot for a short stint... But even history relegated Nick foles back to the bench and Carson Wentz is not a starter They had two quarterbacks playing good and realistically none turned out to be long-term starters They got hot at the right time which could happen Point stands if you have a franchise quarterback and he goes down for a good amount of time you're going to struggle Chad henne cannot play 15 games and win All three of the Steelers quarterbacks are basically on the same level so it didn't matter who they played I don't think the Bengals could win nine games with Browning throughout entire season You honestly believe Andy Reid wouldn't be able to squeeze more than 6wins out of Wentz, Kelce, and that defense? I'd take that over all day 1 1 1 Quote
FireChans Posted April 6 Author Posted April 6 9 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: They went 4-3 beating a Steelers team that can't score ... A depleted browns team , and a colts team that gave up more points than they scored and a 7-10 Vikings teams I think Mitch trubisky on the bills could beat three of those teams at least You keep talking about talent around the quarterback but the bills were ranked as a top five talented team the last 2 years... Nobody had the bills outside of the top five overall talent What do you have the Bills talent range in 2024? Quote
Buffalo716 Posted April 6 Posted April 6 Just now, FireChans said: What do you have the Bills talent range in 2024? Well before free agency is over and the draft Definitely not in the top five... Probably in the top 12 before we see what else happens Quote
FireChans Posted April 6 Author Posted April 6 Just now, Buffalo716 said: Well before free agency is over and the draft Definitely not in the top five... Probably in the top 12 before we see what else happens Including QB or not? I think 12 is far too high. Quote
Buffalo716 Posted April 6 Posted April 6 (edited) 8 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: You honestly believe Andy Reid wouldn't be able to squeeze more than 6wins out of Wentz, Kelce, and that defense? I'd take that over all day Well Carson Wentz wasn't on the Chiefs last year I don't think Yes he could squeak out 8-9 wins... With a Hall of Fame coach and the best play caller He is a top of the line Fringe starter backup quarterback But 85% of NFL rosters don't have a backup quarterback like that Edited April 6 by Buffalo716 Quote
Buffalo716 Posted April 6 Posted April 6 3 minutes ago, FireChans said: Including QB or not? I think 12 is far too high. It depends who we replace the safeties with... And what we do at wide receiver But you're talking about a team that has had world class point differentials the last few years That points to talent... Which we did lose a lot But now it's how you replace it Quote
vincec Posted April 6 Posted April 6 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: That's every single team The Chiefs only go as far as mahomes and would only win six games without him I don’t know, they won a lot of games with Alex Smith. Mahomes put them over the top but they were a consistent winner before he got there. Edited April 6 by vincec 1 Quote
Jrb1979 Posted April 6 Posted April 6 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: It depends who we replace the safeties with... And what we do at wide receiver But you're talking about a team that has had world class point differentials the last few years That points to talent... Which we did lose a lot But now it's how you replace it They are great regular season team but that has yet to translate to playoffs. They a great group of players but outside of Allen, they don't have big time playmakers on either side of the ball. They don't have that standout WR like the Bengals have, they don't have that D lineman or TE that KC has. It's a collection of above average players but lacks playmakers. 2 1 Quote
FireChans Posted April 6 Author Posted April 6 2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: It depends who we replace the safeties with... And what we do at wide receiver But you're talking about a team that has had world class point differentials the last few years That points to talent... Which we did lose a lot But now it's how you replace it That’s fair, imo this is probably the most important draft of Beane’s career. when you look at our contemporaries (perennial postseason teams), I think we are firmly at the bottom of that list. And when you consider the cap situation we find ourselves in, it’s tough to realize we have no money, no high draft picks, and are near the bottom in talent under contract. It just sucks. Quote
Nihilarian Posted April 6 Posted April 6 21 minutes ago, BeastMaster said: Just to play a bit of devils advocate here...what if Josh would have better prepared himself in the offseason and we beat the Jets week 1 and Allen doesn't throw a boatload of picks in the first half of the season? Diggs doesn't lay into Josh, and this team possibly gets the first round bye and we maybe win the superbowl. We had to fight and claw the second half of the season because Josh wasn't good enough the first half and it cost us. Seems to me like maybe Diggs had somewhat of a point about preparation Josh was under a ton of pressure from that Jet's defense all game, and he was sacked 5x and hit 9x. Diggs saw 13 targets with 10 receptions for 102 yards, 1 TD. Cook was contained 12 rushes for 46 yards. Nobody on Buffalo's offense did much of anything to help as that Jet's defense was stifling. 16 to 22 in OT. Josh went 29 of 41 for 236 yards, 1 TD, 3 INTs. He also had 2 fumbles with one lost. 4 turnovers are very difficult to get over. I think more of the blame goes to the Buffalo OC for a not-very-good game plan. 41 pass attempts, JMO 1 Quote
Buffalo716 Posted April 6 Posted April 6 3 minutes ago, vincec said: I don’t know, they won a lot of games with Alex Smith. Mahomes put them over the top but they were a consistent winner before he got there. Alex Smith was a number one overall pick that got the Chiefs to the playoffs pretty consistently And he's a good quarterback We're talking about real backups taking over... Sure there are some outliers of success but it generally doesn't end good Quote
vincec Posted April 6 Posted April 6 5 hours ago, papazoid said: so your an optimist....lol.....i'd say 5-6 wins without josh He is absolutely too big a part of the offense to be sustainable. It’s crazy that he’s not only the key to their passing game, but the team’s best rusher too. Forget the injury risk, balance is in itself a weapon. It keeps teams from keying on one guy and motivates other players to lead, get into the game, and stay focused. Quote
SCBills Posted April 6 Posted April 6 (edited) 19 minutes ago, FireChans said: Including QB or not? I think 12 is far too high. Excluding QB, if we’re all being honest: Above average players, relative to their position -Daquan Jones -Ed Oliver -Greg Rousseau -Matt Milano -Terrell Bernard -Taron Johnson -Christian Benford -Rasul Douglas -James Cook -Dalton Kincaid Offensive Line is tricky to evaluate individually sometimes, but I do think we have an above average OL as a whole. Until proven otherwise.. Von, AJE, Edwards, Rapp, Shakir, Knox, Samuel are average relative to what other teams have. Where we come up short is in impact players. In our own division, Dolphins have Hill, Waddle and Ramsey (debatable). Jets have Wilson and Quinnen with pass rushers all over. If we step back off the ledge, we still have a lot of good to great players. The guys who have flashed elite levels are coming off injury (Von & Milano) and Oliver isn’t consistent enough to warrant this discussion yet. Kincaid could become a superstar this year, but we’re projecting. We’re not really below average at any position except WR, which we all expect to be addressed. Safety is a bit unnerving but it’s also the wheelhouse of our coach. EDGE is pretty volatile in its dependency on the recovery of Von Miller. Edited April 6 by SCBills 2 Quote
BananaB Posted April 6 Posted April 6 41 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: That's every single team The Chiefs only go as far as mahomes and would only win six games without him The Chiefs just won a Super Bowl on the backbone of their D. Quote
vincec Posted April 6 Posted April 6 9 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Alex Smith was a number one overall pick that got the Chiefs to the playoffs pretty consistently And he's a good quarterback We're talking about real backups taking over... Sure there are some outliers of success but it generally doesn't end good It’s true. Alex Smith was an above average starter. Quote
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