Diggs traded to Texans for picks

[Ta111]

15 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

Could they draft Diggs replacement yeah sure. They will be better than right now but I don't see where they improve significantly. They have no cap room to go out and get a Higgins or high end guy. 

They don’t have to improve “significantly”. They were one dropped Diggs pass, or a missed FG from possibly winning the SB. They will be a favorite again next year.

[Nihilarian]

4 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

But I think the biggest wildcard is Joe Brady.  What kind of passing game can he scheme up?  

I think we have seen enough in the last half of the 2023 season along with the two playoff games. "IF" Buffalo had an established #1 WR in the playoffs that would perform like a #1 or even a #2 they should have won that Chiefs game.  Diggs has gone invisible in the playoffs the last four years, with few yards, and no TDs. 

 

Joe Brady is the guy I've been hoping for at OC with what he did with the Bills run game against Dallas and against the Chiefs in the playoffs. It was like watching the 1990 SB all over again only this time with Buffalo playing to keep the ball away from Mahomes. A thing of beauty that almost worked what with half the Buffalo defense on crutches.

 

Diggs was still the leading receiver in the second half of last season and yet he didn't do nearly enough with the ball to garner a #1 WR status. 

 

I think the team will be fine with Shakir, Kincade, and Knox along with the new faces. 

 

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[SoonerBillsFan]

9 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

I think we have seen enough in the last half of the 2023 season along with the two playoff games. "IF" Buffalo had an established #1 WR in the playoffs that would perform like a #1 or even a #2 they should have won that Chiefs game.  Diggs has gone invisible in the playoffs the last four years, with few yards, and no TDs. 

 

Joe Brady is the guy I've been hoping for at OC with what he did with the Bills run game against Dallas and against the Chiefs in the playoffs. It was like watching the 1990 SB all over again only this time with Buffalo playing to keep the ball away from Mahomes. A thing of beauty that almost worked what with half the Buffalo defense on crutches.

 

Diggs was still the leading receiver in the second half of last season and yet he didn't do nearly enough with the ball to garner a #1 WR status. 

 

I think the team will be fine with Shakir, Kincade, and Knox along with the new faces. 

 

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Post of the day.

[Punch]

This doesn't mean there weren't issues between them but I scrolled through Josh Allen's likes on Twitter and saw this from the Week 18 win in Miami. Whatever happened in the lockerroom after Week 1 probably wasn't notable to reporters at the time because by many accounts, they still seemed to be on the same page. Blowup happen even amongst friends and family.

 

Obviously, each individual moment doesn't tell the whole story, but I thought it was interesting to reflect on it nevertheless:

 

 

[White Linen]

20 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

I don't think anyone was arguing that he wasn't potentially a good deal for the receiving team.  He's somewhere between a reasonable ROI (if you think he's now a #17 or #18 WR) and a bargain (if you think he's a very talented #1).  You can tell that by the fact that Houston is willing to sweeten his pot with an additional $3.5M.  

 

It's the Bills end of the bargain, the fact that the Bills will be assuming $31M dead cap AND leaving a giant WR skill shortage on their team, that folks like myself and Cover1 opined made him untradeable.

 

The wild card is that apparently, for reasons not entirely apparent outside OBD but the subject of endless speculation, the Bills wanted his space more than they wanted his skill.

 

It's likely it wasn't about the skills but became tiresome of the player himself.  That's what, IMO, made him tradeable. 

 

It's my opinion that you've undervalued the Samuel signing.  I think he's bringing more than Gabe had to offer.  That coupled with the decline of Diggs, has reduced the gap in production we'll need to have from the WR we add.

[billsfan89]

19 hours ago, Georgia Bill said:

Lofton was 35 and topped 1000 yards with the Bills in 1991.  It can be done, but it is indeed rare. 

 

When looking into which players at 35 or older have put up 1k WR seasons I was pleasantly surprised to see Lofton in 1991 on there. He even followed that up with a decent season at age 36 with over 700 yards. Of the guys to have done it only 4 players have had multiple seasons age 35 or older (Jerry Rice with 3 and TO, Jimmy Smith and Joey Galloway with 2 each). 

 

It is also weird that as much as the NFL has become more and more of a passing league with each passing decade since the 1980's there haven't been too many WR's to have success in their mid 30's since the 2000's. In the 2000's Jerry Rice, TO, Joey Galloway, Jimmy Smith, Rod Smith, Derrick Mason, Tim Brown and Cris Carter combined to have 12 of the 18 seasons of players 35 and older to have 1k seasons. 5 of the other 6 came in the 1990's (Jerry Rice, Lofton, Irving Fryar, Drew Hill and Henry Ellard all with 1 season each). In the 2010's it only happened once with Steve Smith back in 2014. 

 

I don't know if it is that players retire quicker now due to what we know about concussions and other injuries long term or players in the passing game are taking on more hits and target volume earlier in their careers which leads to more slowdowns? 

 

Just odd to see that trend start in the 1990's accelerate in the 2000's and then fall off a cliff in the 2010's?

[hondo in seattle]

3 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Man is a dying coverage. I’ve seen stats that teams run zone over 60% of snaps.

 

https://www.the33rdteam.com/breaking-down-nfl-man-zone-coverage-schemes/

 

The whole zone-versus-man may be an oversimplification.  Sometimes one side is in man while the other is in zone.  Sometimes it's more complicated than that.  Depending on where the receiver breaks, the defender might stick with man or switch to zone (or vice-versa).

 

I'd like to hear an OC or DC break it down: how much is pure man...  how much is pure zone... how much is some kind of hybrid.    

 

Edited April 5 by hondo in seattle

[Pete]

Diggs was never All Pro before Buffalo

Diggs got plenty of targets

Diggs got massive Love from Buffalo

Diggs played on a mighty Wagon- Buffalo Bills

Diggs was due $60 million from Buffalo the next 3 years

Houston ripped up Diggs contract.  To me, $60 million is an amazing amount of money.

Beane has been great to you, and this is how you repay how good the organization was to you Steph?

 

it is being reported Steph requested the trade.

 

So it wasn't about targets, recognition, fanfare, love, money, playoffs, teammates. 

 

Diggs just lost $60 million 😆

 

What the ***** is this about Steph?

Edited April 5 by Pete

[0017]

1 hour ago, Punch said:

This doesn't mean there weren't issues between them but I scrolled through Josh Allen's likes on Twitter and saw this from the Week 18 win in Miami. Whatever happened in the lockerroom after Week 1 probably wasn't notable to reporters at the time because by many accounts, they still seemed to be on the same page. Blowup happen even amongst friends and family.

 

Obviously, each individual moment doesn't tell the whole story, but I thought it was interesting to reflect on it nevertheless:

 

 

Diggs 2 years ago was a valuable player for this team, Diggs the second half of last year (that wanted out of Buffalo to play for Dallas) was a negative! He actually hurt the team, he in my opinion was purposely dropping passes to get the point across to Allen and the Bills that he was done. That’s why Brady was taking him off the field on crucial 3rd downs and for whole entire drives. 

[papazoid]

1 hour ago, Punch said:

This doesn't mean there weren't issues between them but I scrolled through Josh Allen's likes on Twitter and saw this from the Week 18 win in Miami. Whatever happened in the lockerroom after Week 1 probably wasn't notable to reporters at the time because by many accounts, they still seemed to be on the same page. Blowup happen even amongst friends and family.

 

Obviously, each individual moment doesn't tell the whole story, but I thought it was interesting to reflect on it nevertheless:

 

 

 

PRO's : elite talent, passion

 

CON's: selfish, constant distraction

 

the Buffalo Bills O-line coach's daughter immediately posted GOOD RIDDANCE......something is/was seriously wrong inside that locker room

[hondo in seattle]

4 hours ago, khlax3 said:

Not saying these guys are 1 to 1 replacements but I think they can replace the production those guys offered. I truly think Brady wants to get away from that 1a type receiver that we force the ball to and gets 160 targets. I could very well see the hall spread all over with maybe no one getting 1000 yards but 3-4 guys all getting around 50-70 catches for 900 yards. 
 

I think people are getting caught up to much on what positioning these guys play (inside/outside) Samuel, Kincaid, and Shakir can line up anywhere. Cook can split out wide and Knox is pretty versatile too. For red zone your have Knox, Kincaid and Hollins who are all big targets. 
 

I think what got us into trouble in the first half of last year was trying to force it to diggs. In the second half when diggs really didn’t look like a number 1 and they were spreading the ball around diggs, Kincaid, and Shakir all had similar numbers 

 

What you say makes sense...  in theory.  I really hope you're right - in fact!  

[K-9]

2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Thats why you need WRs that understand running routes vs zone. Man beaters just don’t mean as much anymore. 

Precisely the point I was trying to make and why I loved watching Beasley play. He saw the game as a QB. 

[hondo in seattle]

1 hour ago, Nihilarian said:

I think we have seen enough in the last half of the 2023 season along with the two playoff games. "IF" Buffalo had an established #1 WR in the playoffs that would perform like a #1 or even a #2 they should have won that Chiefs game.  Diggs has gone invisible in the playoffs the last four years, with few yards, and no TDs. 

 

Joe Brady is the guy I've been hoping for at OC with what he did with the Bills run game against Dallas and against the Chiefs in the playoffs. It was like watching the 1990 SB all over again only this time with Buffalo playing to keep the ball away from Mahomes. A thing of beauty that almost worked what with half the Buffalo defense on crutches.

 

Diggs was still the leading receiver in the second half of last season and yet he didn't do nearly enough with the ball to garner a #1 WR status. 

 

I think the team will be fine with Shakir, Kincade, and Knox along with the new faces. 

 

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I hope you're right about Brady.  I loved him during the Dallas game.  So fun to see us roll up yards without depending on Josh's heroics.  But neither scoring nor yards spiked under Brady.  The TDs and yards were just distributed differently.  

 

I'm curious to see what he can do with a full offseason to install his own offense.  I see no objective reason to believe he'll do better in 2024 than he did the second half of 2023.  But I'm a fan so I live in hope.  

[Low Positive]

Just now, K-9 said:

Precisely the point I was trying to make and why I loved watching Beasley play. He saw the game as a QB. 

That's also what makes Kelce so great. He usually doesn't run a set route. He is reading the zone as the play progresses to find that soft spot. Mahomes and Kelce happen to see the game in the same way, just like Edelman (another ex-QB turned pass catcher) and Brady did. 

[Nihilarian]

1 minute ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

I hope you're right about Brady.  I loved him during the Dallas game.  So fun to see us roll up yards without depending on Josh's heroics.  But neither scoring nor yards spiked under Brady.  The TDs and yards were just distributed differently.  

 

I'm curious to see what he can do with a full offseason to install his own offense.  I see no objective reason to believe he'll do better in 2024 than he did the second half of 2023.  But I'm a fan so I live in hope.  

Well, let's not forget that Brady attempted to get Diggs a lot of work as he was still the most targeted player in the receiving corps under Brady as OC. Diggs simply didn't perform like a #1 WR, or even a decent #2. Diggs had a 66.9% catch percentage in 2023, and Gabe Davis had a 55.6% catch percentage. Diggs had 160 targets and 107 receptions. Gives you an idea of why both might be gone.

 

To put that in perspective Shakir had an 86.7 catch percentage, Cook 81.5%, and Kincade 80.2% catch percentage. 

 

It is my take that Diggs wanted out of Buffalo and was about to become another offseason distraction. I think Beane and Co. simply were tired of Diggs with his antics. Buffalo did him a solid by trading him away and Houston did him one better by restructuring to a one-year deal thus allowing him to be an FA in 2025. He wants to go to Dallas to play on the same team as his brother.

 

In my view,  looking at Digg's stats in the playoffs, 4 seasons in Buffalo with 9 playoff games 

Two TDs in 2020 one against the Colts, and one against the Ravens.

Two playoff games in 2021, with 0 TDs. Against the Chiefs, 7 targets for 3 receptions for 7 yards. REALLY? Against the Patriots 4 targets for 3 receptions for 60 yards

Two playoff games in 2022, with 0 TDs. Against Miami, 9 targets for 7 receptions for 114 yards. Against Cincy 10 targets for 4 receptions for 35 yards. 

Two playoff games in 2023, with 0 TDs. Against the Chiefs, 8 targets for 3 receptions for 21 yards. Against the Steelers 9 targets for 7 receptions for 52 yards.

 

Buffalo needs a #1 WR to step up in the playoffs and not fall on his face. Diggs can yell at Josh Allen all he wants as it wasn't Josh who was failing in those playoff games. 

 

[90sBills]

2 hours ago, Ta111 said:

They don’t have to improve “significantly”. They were one dropped Diggs pass, or a missed FG from possibly winning the SB. They will be a favorite again next year.

Oh my. I must have missed Bills playing in the superbowl. Damn multiverse. 

[AKC]

1 hour ago, Nihilarian said:

I think we have seen enough in the last half of the 2023 season along with the two playoff games. "IF" Buffalo had an established #1 WR in the playoffs that would perform like a #1 or even a #2 they should have won that Chiefs game.  Diggs has gone invisible in the playoffs the last four years, with few yards, and no TDs. 

 

Joe Brady is the guy I've been hoping for at OC with what he did with the Bills run game against Dallas and against the Chiefs in the playoffs. It was like watching the 1990 SB all over again only this time with Buffalo playing to keep the ball away from Mahomes. A thing of beauty that almost worked what with half the Buffalo defense on crutches.

 

Diggs was still the leading receiver in the second half of last season and yet he didn't do nearly enough with the ball to garner a #1 WR status. 

 

I think the team will be fine with Shakir, Kincade, and Knox along with the new faces. 

 

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 Diggs is a former #1 with the game moving past his skill set at a rate similar to his diminishing talents. Can he juke single coverage occasionally and dive to the turf to avoid a hit? Absolutely. Can he burn a defense that’s giving extra attention to him? Not since year 2 in Buff. #1 receivers get wins even when doubled. Diggs disappears when doubled. Houston should check with the league to see if they can give him #1C instead of his ego driven jersey choice. I’m with you- our biggest crybaby didn’t like the new OC system of throwing to open guys- he is in for a big surprise in his second tantrum recovery spot. We should start a poll of whether he ever signs another contract after 2024 when he gets fully exposed for what he’s become.

[julian]

5 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

With all respect, that's not enough.  4 guys getting 900 yds is 3,600 yds.  That would represent a 700 yd dip in what was already a second "down year" for Allen with only 4300 yds passing.

 

It would also be asking a 7 year vet to exceed his previous career year (possible), asking Shakir AND Kincaid to jump 50% in their production, AND asking a 3rd guy to step into the mix and push 1000 yds.

lol how far we’ve come when 4300 yards is a down year… please never leave us 17, I don’t wanna ever go back

[Warriorspikes51]

 

interesting whether true or false who knows

[Dablitzkrieg]

I'm not searching through this cesspool so if it was already posted, sorry.