Diggs traded to Texans for picks

[Aussie Joe]

3 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Well, that all depends upon who is correct, right?

 

Beane and company, by their actions, are saying "Cold Hard Football Facts: you're declining, Diggs, so we're willing to eat a bunch of cap this year in order to grab next year's 2nd while the grabbing is good."  Greg Cosell is saying flat out "tape shows he's not a #1 at this point, he's not elite, he's a good possession receiver".

 

The Texans, by taking him on as a 1 year rental AND sweetening his pot with more guaranteed money, are saying "you're still a #1, so we're gonna do whatever it takes to make you happy, because we think you can help us win this year."

 

 

My point was about this latest development of having the last three years of essentially non guaranteed money being waived is a better deal  for Diggs … not either team ..

 

If he doesn’t play well then he is getting cut regardless … if he does play well then he has the opportunity to negotiate for more money with a new team 

[Big Blitz]

 

 

Bye Felicia.  Still won 6 in a row despite you quitting in games.   

[Beck Water]

33 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

he’s not gone because he didn’t get along with the boss….

 

You know this how?

[Georgia Bill]

4 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

 

This is a very interesting spot for Diggs to bet on himself. He's going to be 31 this upcoming season so by the time he gets his next "bite at the apple" in free agency he's going to be 32. Now historically HOF caliber WR's at age 32 can and still do put up prime numbers but the "cliff" for many great WR's is around age 33/34. It's very rare for a WR no matter how great to put up fantastic stats at age 34 and almost never heard of for a 35 year old WR to put up 1000 yard seasons. 

 

I am some random guy on a message board and I am aware of this fact. So I am sure NFL GM's are also aware of this and would shy away from handing a 32 year old WR who became a problem for a good winning organization a huge bag of money. So I am not sure what Diggs long term goals are here? 

Lofton was 35 and topped 1000 yards with the Bills in 1991.  It can be done, but it is indeed rare. 

[RangerDave]

1 hour ago, 3rdand12 said:

Was a fierce competitor for sure.

He wanted to win, no doubt about that. But I won't miss the way he dove to the ground or ran out of bounds, leaving valuable yardage on the table, just to avoid a hit. I understand wanting to make your career last, but I expect a fierce competitor to fight for yards.

[Mikie2times]

Not reading 20 pages to see if this was posted. Apparently Diggs could pursue a trade with anybody but KC

 

https://apple.news/AvdrNinD1T-mmDd9HASjjbQ

[DrDawkinstein]

39 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

he’s not gone because he didn’t get along with the boss….

 

So he's gone due to performance, and all the sideline/off field/twitter stuff you mentioned really didnt matter? Which is it?

 

 

6 minutes ago, RangerDave said:

He wanted to win, no doubt about that. But I won't miss the way he dove to the ground or ran out of bounds, leaving valuable yardage on the table, just to avoid a hit. I understand wanting to make your career last, but I expect a fierce competitor to fight for yards.

 

He fought for yards PLENTY of times. Any time it mattered. Close to getting a 1st down, or fighting through 5 tackles to break away for a TD like against Miami last year.

 

When you already have the 1st down and a Safety is bearing down on you, better to get down, control the contact, and live to fight another day.

[NoSaint]

14 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

My point was about this latest development of having the last three years of essentially non guaranteed money being waived is a better deal  for Diggs … not either team ..

 

If he doesn’t play well then he is getting cut regardless … if he does play well then he has the opportunity to negotiate for more money with a new team 

At 32 that will be a dicey path. 
 

he may come out ahead but staying put and being pleasant in Buffalo probably would’ve given him a higher probability of staying near his ceiling for earnings.

 

if he has a monster year he keeps loosely on track for his voided paychecks- maybe a modest increase but not huge. 
 

if he stumbles even a little he becomes a 1 year 10m a year type of guy next year quickly 

[Einstein's Dog]

14 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

He fought for yards PLENTY of times. Any time it mattered. Close to getting a 1st down, or fighting through 5 tackles to break away for a TD like against Miami last year.

 

When you already have the 1st down and a Safety is bearing down on you, better to get down, control the contact, and live to fight another day.

I could find a way to excuse his pathetic lack of effort when the play wasn't going his way.  Claiming it didn't matter,, though it irritated me and was a bad look.  In part excused in my mind by his yet to be disclosed injury.

 

But what about all the times Diggs took himself out on those 3rd downs?  

 

Even with my made up injury for Diggs I couldn't come up with a rational explanation for those.  IF he was playing hurt why wouldn't he have timed it so he was in on 3rd downs.  That's inexcusable in my mind.  Brady had to want him out.  

[26TrapDraw]

Lemme ask this question:

do you think Beane Traded Diggs because he told Beane Josh doesn’t work hard enough and doesn’t have what it takes to win the superbowl ? FYI don’t agree with that but could that be what got him traded?

 

[Andy1]

38 minutes ago, RangerDave said:

He wanted to win, no doubt about that. But I won't miss the way he dove to the ground or ran out of bounds, leaving valuable yardage on the table, just to avoid a hit. I understand wanting to make your career last, but I expect a fierce competitor to fight for yards.

Or when he would just stand at line of scrimmage on run plays.

[papazoid]

On 4/3/2024 at 4:50 PM, MAJBobby said:

 

 

Josh had better QB Rating when NOT throwing to Diggs

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

I could find a way to excuse his pathetic lack of effort when the play wasn't going his way.  Claiming it didn't matter,, though it irritated me and was a bad look.  In part excused in my mind by his yet to be disclosed injury.

 

But what about all the times Diggs took himself out on those 3rd downs?  

 

Even with my made up injury for Diggs I couldn't come up with a rational explanation for those.  IF he was playing hurt why wouldn't he have timed it so he was in on 3rd downs.  That's inexcusable in my mind.  Brady had to want him out.  

 

Ah yes, the infamous "3rd down" game against the Eagles.

 

Broadcast Bias.

 

He played 87 out of 95 snaps in that game. He took some breathers. A couple of them were on 3rd down, and they happen to be when Nantz noticed and pointed out he wasnt on the field. It actually only happened like twice.

 

Time it? He doesnt know what plays Brady is calling ahead of time. Or if the 2nd down play is going to pick up the 1st or not.

 

Look, I'm not going to argue every gripe against the guy. I just think it's a bit ridiculous and unfair (and a bad look for the Mafia) to have fans bashing him on his way out like he had anything but an overall positive contribution to the team the entire time he was here. Ups and downs, sure.

 

The Bills had Stef Diggs from 2020 to 2024 and he directly made them much better during that entire time.

[NoSaint]

2 minutes ago, 26TrapDraw said:

Lemme ask this question:

do you think Beane Traded Diggs because he told Beane Josh doesn’t work hard enough and doesn’t have what it takes to win the superbowl ? FYI don’t agree with that but could that be what got him traded?

 

he got traded because he has declining skill and increasing drama 

 

If he were Justin Jefferson on the field he’d be here even if he talked about beanes mom 

[White Linen]

22 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Well...it depends upon what the team's goal is, No?

 

Diggs wasn't playing like a #1, and the Bills offense was #6 and we had to win out at the end of the year to make the playoffs, and as you point out....Diggs did not have great contributions in the playoff games.

 

So if the team wants to go any further this season, Beane has to *improve on* Digg's production in 2024.

 

The goal is to win the superbowl. That doesn't change in Allen's prime and you know that. 

 

My reply was to, if he doesn't find a #1,  2024 was a failure for Beane. Absorbing the loss of Diggs can happen in different ways and its reasonable to think it can. If Samuel is more effective than Davis, Kincaid's production grows, Knox has better than a 22/186 year, and there's something real there with Shakir - the gap from Diggs is already closing. 

 

Obviously with Diggs, there's no gap to close, and i think we were poised to be a problem with adding samuel. However many of us, were already wanting a replacement in the draft. 

 

If you can't tell,  I'm bullish on Samuel.  IMO, he's going to be a signing we're very happy with.  

 

Beane has to add something much different than a #1, IMO for 2024. Beane isn't done as he mentioned in the presser. 

[TwistofFate]

Honestly guys, I'm feeling better and better by this. 

 

Diggs is not a number 1 anymore.  The Bills knew it and everyone else in the league knew it. 

 

Houston killed the rest of Diggs contract.  He will play one year then be a free agent. 

 

Houston literally traded us a second rounder to rent Diggs as a Wr3 for one season. 

 

Dumping Diggs now, while he still had value is better than dumping him next year with even less value for only a few million more. 

 

Get a stud WR and Allen will surrounded with fresh, hungry young players all around him. 

 

I'm feeling better and better about this move. 

[K-9]

58 minutes ago, Georgia Bill said:

Lofton was 35 and topped 1000 yards with the Bills in 1991.  It can be done, but it is indeed rare. 

Lofton was also a world class athlete who won the NCAA long jump championship at Stanford as well as posting a 20.5 two hundred meter time. Blazing fast with incredible hops. 

[Low Positive]

3 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Lofton was also a world class athlete who won the NCAA long jump championship at Stanford as well as posting a 20.5 two hundred meter time. Blazing fast with incredible hops. 

It was also a different era when DBs weren’t world-class athletes. 

[NoSaint]

16 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

Honestly guys, I'm feeling better and better by this. 

 

Diggs is not a number 1 anymore.  The Bills knew it and everyone else in the league knew it. 

 

Houston killed the rest of Diggs contract.  He will play one year then be a free agent. 

 

Houston literally traded us a second rounder to rent Diggs as a Wr3 for one season. 

 

Dumping Diggs now, while he still had value is better than dumping him next year with even less value for only a few million more. 

 

Get a stud WR and Allen will surrounded with fresh, hungry young players all around him. 

 

I'm feeling better and better about this move. 

1 year of diggs 50m in cap impact

 

0 years, 31m in cap impact and a second round pick 

 

theres definitely value 

[major]

Not Diggs related, but kind of. Yesterday’s Diggs trade made me wonder if a team would trade their superstar qb to the bears for Caleb Williams/pick 1. For example, if you were the chargers and harbaugh, would you trade Herbert to the bears for Caleb Williams?