Diggs traded to Texans for picks

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

He's not wrong in this tho

 

 the Bills have underachieved

Nick Wright has good takes for the most part, but when he gets really dumb is complaining media treatment of Patrick Mahomes and Josh. Very strawman BS type stuff.

 

FtF has quickly become my favorite sports show. It’s actually pretty funny at spots.

[DC Tom]

How does this thread have 120 pages without someone asking me to call someone else an idiot?  

[PBF81]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

Elsewhere, you have been beating the drum loud and repetitively about how Diggs fell off in the 2nd half of the season, comparing him to all sorts of lower tier WR we could have signed for much less.

 

You've mistaken me for someone else there.  

 

As to the rest of your post, all I'm doing is positing.  Asking the tough questions.  

 

We'll see how it plays out.  If we don't take a WR in round 1 that puts up like Rasheed Rice did last season, or Nacua, I'll be thoroughly impressed if we do more than narrowly win the division in week 18 or advance past the Wild-Card round.  It's pretty unfathomable under any circumstances that we fail to make the playoffs barring Allen getting injured.  

 

What's funny and interesting here is that everyone's great and up-and-coming until they're not.  Then all hell breaks loose.  LOL 

 

 

36 minutes ago, since79 said:

We were in a must win situation.  Anytime that is the case including playoffs, expect Allen to run more. It’s our cheat code

 

I was responding to a poster that claimed that Allen ran more under Dorsey.  

 

Context  

 

 

Edited April 4 by PBF81

[jjmac]

2 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Are you sure about that? 

I’m quite sure. 

[PBF81]

22 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

Again though - 6-6 going into that last stretch and its basically like all playoff games.  I'm not counting carries/touches/whatever.  

 

Did the defense really play that much better down the stretch?  In some ways yes - in others... we carried a considerable advantage in time of possession in all of the games except the chargers game which... was the game we almost gave away as both sides of the ball played pretty poorly.  

 

LOL, it doesn't matter.  Giving credit to Brady and the O for two of those six wins that came at the hands of both rare and unreliable defensive TDs is disingenuous.  

 

What, will Brady need a third of his games to have defensive TDs in them to win this season?  That's the implication.  Also, getting so lucky as to have played the Chargers without Herbert, Allen, and Bosa, ... LOL, imagine if we had to play without Allen, the excuses that would be flying left and right like chips from a woodchipper for our losses.  

 

There needs to be some consistency in these discussions.  Constantly heralding the unlikely and rare as likelihoods isn't reasonable or honest.  

 

 

[jjmac]

2 hours ago, BeastMaster said:

If he's a major contributor in the Texans winning a Lombardi, I would take that bet

 

He's gonna have the numbers. The question will be whether he can help take a team to the promised land

 

I have no idea what kind of impact Diggs will have, but I would imagine he will be a factor for at least his first couple years

Who is throwing to him in Houston?

[Returntoglory]

28 minutes ago, Success said:

Nick Wright really is the culmination of where sports media has been heading for the past couple of decades.

 

Obviously, a sad thing for anyone who values real sports journalism and intelligent analysis.  But he is the model now. 

 

He mirrors the ***** show that society has become.

[GASabresIUFan]

3 minutes ago, jjmac said:

Who is throwing to him in Houston?

CJ Stroud - 2023’s NFL O Rookie of the Year.  
 

Is Diggs going to be the 3rd or 4th target in Houston behind Collins, Dell, and TE Schultz?

Edited April 4 by GASabresIUFan

[Returntoglory]

This video says it all, as far as I'm concerned.

https://youtu.be/JdyG_pPfSIU?si=sIzIch0Q1wSJVqt-

 

[Scott7975]

13 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

 

We all understand that Diggs' 2024 cap hit is only $3M more now than it would have been with him here, right? I fear when fans read "dead cap hit" they imagine some additional cap penalty for moving him. It's basically the same as him being here, but now the Bills will save mucho cap space in 2025 and beyond. 

 

I'm excited to see Joe Brady calling plays, and Josh Allen distributing the football, COMPLETELY FREE of selfish egos in the huddle and on the sideline. The Diggs+Allen political marriage had obviously fractured over the years. Time to let Josh lead the ticket in this election cycle. I like Kincaid as a potential WR1a, with Samuel as WR1b, and some weekly blend of a 1st rd rookie WR, Shakir, and Cook as WR3s, depending on the matchups and tendencies. 

 

KC has won b2b championships with Kelce as WR1 and a mix of WRs and RBs filling roles behind him. I like the Bills going for something similar but with a more consistent and dangerous and multiple run game to boot. Gotta have multiple solutions to every problem NFL defensive coordinators throw out you in a given season. 

im fine with the move but I don’t look at dead cap as additional money like you suggest. It is however not the same as if he were here…because he isn’t here. We are paying for a player that isn’t here and we have to fill that position now. Hopefully that’s with a stud from the draft. Hopefully also it’s the right type of receiver. Again, I’m fine with the move but that’s how I look at it because that’s how it actually is. 

[jkeerie]

16 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

He's not wrong in this tho

 

 the Bills have underachieved

Which is why many NFL executives are praising Beane for the move.   If we haven't won with these aging players, it's time to reset and move forward with different players.  

[PBF81]

17 minutes ago, Avisan said:

Yes?  Why would we not?  Diggs does nothing in the playoffs and our defense was a M.A.S.H. unit and we still had a decent shot at it this past season.

 

You don't need the best roster in the league to win the Superbowl.  You just need to win 3-4 games in a row at the end of the season.  Having a better roster makes that easier, but the Giants did it twice with merely decent teams and guys stepping up at the right moments.

 

Why would we not?  

 

LOL  

 

Oh, no reasons.  

 

And no, you don't need the best roster in the league to win the Super Bowl.  If by this, You just need to win 3-4 games in a row at the end of the season, you mean the postseason, yes, that's correct.  And that's all, huh.  LOL  But in 7 seasons with our current head coach, we've strung two wins B2B in the postseason only once, and the first of those games we nearly lost to a notably inferior team with inferior talent and Reich as the head coach.  After those two games our coach gave the game away.  

 

So yeah, that's all we need to do, but if it were that easy then we wouldn't be having this exchange.  Right.  

 

I'll put it another way, with one of the most prolific WRs in the game and top defenses, we've failed to do that.  Now with a new C/QB pairing, WRs absent a true #1 (pending the draft and then only a rookie) and possibly even a #2 given the takes on Davis, an all but completely new secondary, the expectations are similar?  

 

Well, OK.  We all have our opinions.  As I've expressed to another, I'm envious of people thinking like that.  None of the circles that I keep offline are nearly as optimistic. Hell, some think I'm overly optimistic.  LOL  

 

 

[pigpen65]

Diggs was great for us and great for Allen. He will go down as one of the best receivers in Bills history. This feels *****, especially because I don't believe Diggs wanted out because he's acting like a diva. I think he wanted out because he saw incompetence and didn't see a championship happening here. This is a depressing thought because if we are being honest with ourselves we all see the same thing. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Just now, Scott7975 said:

im fine with the move but I don’t look at dead cap as additional money like you suggest. It is however not the same as if he were here…because he isn’t here. We are paying for a player that isn’t here and we have to fill that position now. Hopefully that’s with a stud from the draft. Hopefully also it’s the right type of receiver. Again, I’m fine with the move but that’s how I look at it because that’s how it actually is. 

 

The additional cap hit is... fairly meaningless. 

 

Its easier to just look at it like... imagine if he blew out his knee.  He's on IR.  The cap hits the cap hit - and he doesn't play.  

[TheyCallMeAndy]

1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

Greg trying to start trouble in Houston! 

Bad mouthing journalist? 
Diggs:

[Warriorspikes51]

Crazy with the target share
 

[Heels20X6]

25 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

Thanks for a decent response!!  

 

It is a somewhat complex analysis to be sure, with a bunch of variables.  Here's the thing, that's not Allen's strong suit.  Wouldn't it seem logical to play to his strong suit in the interests of getting all that we can from him, instead of trying to turn him into a game-managing ball-control passer?  That seems patently illogical.  

 

Last season, 9 of Allen's TD passes were 20+ yards.  Without looking, and knowing stats from years of analyzing the NFL, I'd venture to say that easily that's more than any QB playing today and likely even way back.  15 of his 29 were 15 yards+.  19 were double-digit TDs.  

 

Let's contrast that with Mahomes, considered to be the best in the game today and since Brady.  Mahomes had 3 of 27 over 20 and 5 in double-digits.  

 

It doesn't add up.  Call it The Process or whatever, but things are not aligning with what they've said since they drafted Allen.  They drafted him for his athletic ability and ability to make every throw and for his strong arm, right.  But you're suggesting that they're now trying to turn him into something contrary to that.  

 

Call me crazy, but good coaches take their strength(s) and figure out how to shove them down the opponents' throats.  Belichick didn't try to put a cap on Brady, neither is Reid trying to put a cap on Mahomes.  But it seems that McD, via Brady now, is trying to do that with Allen.  

 

The types of receivers we have, whatever their design by McBeane, are what we have because that's how we've planned.  Just as they say your as good as your record says you are, so too, your roster is as good as you've made it.  

 

In desperately looking to find some sort of plan or methodology here, all that anyone can offer is to blindly trust The Process, but seemingly not realizing that this Process isn't even identifiable for the most part and has otherwise never been articulated as to what it is.  And now on the cusp of us going from one of the league's best passing teams to some version of the Ravens.  Allen's better than Jackson, but not if he's not going to be used to his strengths.  

 

We seem to be taking a square peg and trying to force it into a round hole.  

 

 

 

There was a very good article written last year that interviewed (anonymously) several DCs who said it was their stated goal to take away the overhead game.  It was a DIRECT response to taking away what made Rodgers, Allen and Mahomes great.  What you're seeing isn't the Bills (and Chiefs) taking away what are our QB's strengths, but a counterpunch to what defences are now giving them.  It's where Dorsey failed as an OC.  He refused to see that DCs around the league were begging him to run and work the underneath routes.

[Scott7975]

6 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

The additional cap hit is... fairly meaningless. 

 

Its easier to just look at it like... imagine if he blew out his knee.  He's on IR.  The cap hits the cap hit - and he doesn't play.  

I’m not talking about the additional. It’s meaningless change. I’m saying that we are paying for a guy that isn’t here. Much like we paid for Darius who wasn’t here. That’s the way it is. I don’t really want to argue about it because like I said, I am fine with it. I’m not going to act like it’s invisible and didn’t happen though. It’s 30m or whatever for an empty hole. That’s reality. 

[Avisan]

Just now, PBF81 said:

 

Why would we not?  

 

LOL  

 

Oh, no reasons.  

 

And no, you don't need the best roster in the league to win the Super Bowl.  If by this, You just need to win 3-4 games in a row at the end of the season, you mean the postseason, yes, that's correct.  And that's all, huh.  LOL  But in 7 seasons with our current head coach, we've strung two wins B2B in the postseason only once, and the first of those games we nearly lost to a notably inferior team with inferior talent and Reich as the head coach.  After those two games our coach gave the game away.  

 

So yeah, that's all we need to do, but if it were that easy then we wouldn't be having this exchange.  Right.  

 

I'll put it another way, with one of the most prolific WRs in the game and top defenses, we've failed to do that.  Now with a new C/QB pairing, WRs absent a true #1 (pending the draft and then only a rookie) and possibly even a #2 given the takes on Davis, an all but completely new secondary, the expectations are similar?  

 

Well, OK.  We all have our opinions.  As I've expressed to another, I'm envious of people thinking like that.  None of the circles that I keep offline are nearly as optimistic. Hell, some think I'm overly optimistic.  LOL  

 

 

I didn't say it was easy.  It's never easy.  It's still quite possible.  We will almost certainly make the playoffs again, and once you're in, anything can happen.  Allen is a good enough QB and McDermott is a good enough coach that as long as a few players step up to make a big play or two in the postseason we can plausibly go the distance.

 

Diggs is a very good player, but he didn't ever step up in the postseason so I have no real concerns regarding our postseason chances.  I don't think any of our roster losses materially impact our overall chances.

[PBF81]

5 minutes ago, Heels20X6 said:

 

There was a very good article written last year that interviewed (anonymously) several DCs who said it was their stated goal to take away the overhead game.  It was a DIRECT response to taking away what made Rodgers, Allen and Mahomes great.  What you're seeing isn't the Bills (and Chiefs) taking away what are our QB's strengths, but a counterpunch to what defences are now giving them.  It's where Dorsey failed as an OC.  He refused to see that DCs around the league were begging him to run and work the underneath routes.

 

Great, let's see how Brady does.  

 

Again, the point is that I'm not sure we need Allen to do that when his skillset doesn't match that directly.