Diggs traded to Texans for picks

[papazoid]

6 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

It's interesting.  Cosell was very clear and concise; he thinks Diggs is on the decline, he thinks Diggs isn't a "true #1", he's good but not elite.

I don't think the Bills paid Cosell off for that opinion because 1) I think Cosell cares about his cred more than $ 2) he's said similar things before.

 

On the other hand, we have this:

where they clearly slot Diggs in ahead of Nico Collins as a #1 WR

 

and then this:

where the guys are all talking about Diggs as a "freakazoid" talent, and referring to Collins as not a true #1.  (they said every team has about 3 freakazoids, and if you don't have enough freakazoids, you're gonna lose.  they said SF has 6 or 7)

 

"I am only an egg" relative to these guys, but what I saw of Nico Collins last year I really liked, and his Y/Tgt last season, 12, argues more boundary guy.

 

McCoy and all know ball, but Cosell knows his tape, so I don't know.  Maybe the former ballers have a bit of "halo effect" based on the Diggs of 2 years ago whereas Cosell is meticulously focused on what he sees?

 

By the way McCoy and others (Emmanuel Acho I think? not sure who is the 3rd guy) were very clear with the woman host (Joy Taylor?) that Josh Allen's relationship with Stefon Diggs is "bad".  She didn't want to theorize what it's like other than what we see, but they were very definite.

 

 

interesting that shady reveals diggs brother, told shady before it happened, that stefon was getting traded to houston. 

 

easy money in vegas for insiders.

 

 

[jahnyc]

A few thoughts below:

 

1. The Diggs trade puts more pressure on Allen both in terms of play and leadership, which seems the opposite of what should be happening with Allen already shouldering too much overall responsibility.

 

2. Have to think Diggs wanted out, probably for awhile, and may have specified the Texans as where he wanted to go.  Given this potential dynamic, I don't think Allen had any power to keep Diggs from being traded.

 

3. The Bills have lost a lot of leadership this offseason.  On offense, to maintain continuity, I would have kept Morse if the plan was to trade Diggs.  I wouldn't be surprised if this makes it more likely that Hyde returns to the Bills this season.

 

4. If trading Diggs was the plan, I am surprised that the Bills did not take the max amount to restructure Allen this offseason.  That extra cap space would have been helpful to address the WR situation and other holes on the roster this year.

 

5. Will be interesting to see Beane's strategy to replace Diggs.  It certainly would make sense to draft a WR in the first round this year and possibly use draft resources to move up for a desired WR.  Also makes sense from a financial perspective to have control over a drafted player for at least the next four years.  Alternatively, is it possible that Beane views the potential availability of some top WRs next offseason as the more attractive option to replace Diggs?  I guess whether we draft a WR or defense in the first round will be a potential indication of the strategy.

[BeastMaster]

15 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

I would do this trade. 
 

 

I would try to hold onto Minnys pick being they may be pretty bad this upcoming season.

 

It would take the sting out of having no first next season if we have a high second instead of what will likely be a later mid round selection 

 

And I do love Nabers...maybe moreso than MHJ. But if I were Brandon Beane, I would stand pat and take Legette, Mitchell, or Coleman, and then double down using next year's first to get a high second and select another one. This increases the likelihood that you solve the WR issue along with still having a second this season to go and add another possible impact player to the roster. 

 

[T master]

7 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

What does it tell you that they could only get a 2025 second-round pick for the guy? Hey, the man was great when he was productive.

 

Lastly, let's not forget what Beane stepped into when he took the Buffalo GM job way back when and he needed to clean house. 

 

Trust the Beane! 

 

This seems in some ways a Bellichekian type move getting rid of a aging player that still has enough tread left on the tires to get something for them before not being able to get anything for them because other teams know they would eventually cut him .

 

We use to see the Pats do that all the time and this could very well be the best thing to do going forward . Beane is looking to the future and knowing him has some kind of plan in place so i am with you trust in Beane he will get us there ...  

[BeastMaster]

16 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

What you are saying is true. A 2nd rounder is a 2nd rounder and in reality there is value. We got a solid return in any event.

 

However, when trading for future picks there is the addition to the move that the pick in and of itself is largely unknown. There is a big difference between pick 33 and pick 65. And while we can estimate right now that Minnesota "sould" end up drafting top 10 or maybe even top 5...anything can happen. I'm sure that teams dealing with Houston in last year's draft felt whatever picks they were getting for this year would be pretty high. Didn't end up that way.

 

Another good recent example is us trading for Rasul last year. At the time the trade was made it looked like the return pick from GB would be high up in the round. They got hot late, made the playoffs and that pick sank. 

 

That's where the devaluation comes in. 

Not just this, either 

 

A contending team that has a window to win (JA and the Bills) choosing to lose a pick or a player now for a future pick is shorting your team for now in order to have more in the future

 

I'd rather do everything possible to contend every season that Josh Allen is our QB then to punt on one

[Warriorspikes51]

 

[CirclnWagons]

Does this off season mean that any player that makes a pro bowl from here on out for the Bills should just go ahead and pack their bags at the end of the season? 

[nucci]

3 minutes ago, CirclnWagons said:

Does this off season mean that any player that makes a pro bowl from here on out for the Bills should just go ahead and pack their bags at the end of the season? 

No, it doesn't mean that.

[plenzmd1]

18 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

On March 23, 2022, the Chiefs traded Hill to the Miami Dolphins in exchange for a 2022 first-round pick, a 2022 second-round pick, two fourth-round picks, and a 2023 sixth-round pick.[113] 

 

A 5th is not the same as 5 draft picks.

Not quite sure what you mean here. The point I was trying to make and prolly did so poorly is that you can find WRs all over the draft now. So many of the top guys last few years were not top glad if round one, but found in other rounds. Diggs was a 4th, Cheetah a 5th, Nakua a 5th. Dell a 3rd, Higgins a 2nd and on down the line. 
 

and I don’t think you can compare the Hill trade to this. Younger, still had upside , and Dolphins could structure contract as they wanted. 
 

has I said yesterday, has to tell ya something that the Giants and Shoen and Daboll prolly would not even pony up a 3rs for Steph, and their jobs are on the line this year , at least Daboll is. 

[Ya Digg?]

21 minutes ago, BeastMaster said:

I would try to hold onto Minnys pick being they may be pretty bad this upcoming season.

 

It would take the sting out of having no first next season if we have a high second instead of what will likely be a later mid round selection 

 

And I do love Nabers...maybe moreso than MHJ. But if I were Brandon Beane, I would stand pat and take Legette, Mitchell, or Coleman, and then double down using next year's first to get a high second and select another one. This increases the likelihood that you solve the WR issue along with still having a second this season to go and add another possible impact player to the roster. 

 

Sorry I’m confused-you would trade the Bills first round pick next year to get into the 2nd round this year? That idea seems very flawed 

[SCBills]

28 minutes ago, jahnyc said:

 

 

4. If trading Diggs was the plan, I am surprised that the Bills did not take the max amount to restructure Allen this offseason.  That extra cap space would have been helpful to address the WR situation and other holes on the roster this year.

 

 

 

Honestly.. great point.

 

Our cap is in great shape '25 and beyond, so if we thought this was a possibility.. why not just take the full restructure?

 

And one has to think we knew it could happen.  Mixon's tweet about this being discussed a month ago.  Schefter reported on ESPN yesterday that Houston getting a '25 RD2 pick from the Vikings was done with this trade in mind. 

 

 

[papazoid]

54 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

I would do this trade. 
 

 

 

NO  WAY

 two 1st's, one early 2nd & two 4th's ?? for one early 1st ??

 

draft history bills last two years 2nd round picks:

2023 - Torrence

2022 - Cook

 

while the thought of a top ten pick is enchanting.....i'd rather take my chances and keep the picks i have

 

 

 

 

Edited April 4 by papazoid

[PBF81]

9 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Arguing who is the “bigger fan” is a chump’s game. Everyone here is a fan in their own way. 

 

Completely agree.  Except for my way, right.  LOL  Tell it to those that disagree.  But when any are slammed for wanting a Championship ...  SMH. 

 

 

Edited April 4 by PBF81

[Maine-iac]

I'm not saying Diggs wasn't a great receiver but our run into the playoffs and then in the playoffs I'm not even sure Diggs led in yards or catches and the offense was still playing pretty well.  It's not like he doesn't leave a hole that needs to be filled but if we draft someone who can step in and contribute it will not only help as we eat Digg's dead cap but for a several years beyond that.  I would love to see a big dose of Kincaid, Shakir, a good running game, and then a young guy (on a rookie contract) that can compete outside.  I'm sure Mahommes misses Hill but he's still lifting Lombardis none the less.

[Warriorspikes51]

56 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

I would do this trade. 
 

 

 

We get Nabers and keep pick 60?   SEND IT. 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Diggs posted a heartfelt good bye on Insta, but only a few Bills liked it. 
 

Josh is yet to be one of them. 

Edited April 4 by TheyCallMeAndy

[eball]

2 hours ago, papazoid said:

only Josh is irreplaceable

 

the bills can win with or without diggs. 

 

The Bills won 6 in a row without Diggs -- at least without him in a WR1 role.

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, eball said:

 

The Bills won 6 in a row without Diggs -- at least without him in a WR1 role.

 

in ANY role, really

 

his catch% rate and yardage per game plus no TD production, we'd have been better off featuring Shakir and Kincaid more.

 

[plenzmd1]

11 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

Honestly.. great point.

 

Our cap is in great shape '25 and beyond, so if we thought this was a possibility.. why not just take the full restructure?

 

And one has to think we knew it could happen.  Mixon's tweet about this being discussed a month ago.  Schefter reported on ESPN yesterday that Houston getting a '25 RD2 pick from the Vikings was done with this trade in mind. 

 

 

counter point...if you know ya gonna have a rough go of it this year, and your real plan is to make a serious run in 25 and beyond, take as much cap hit as you can this year to have more in later years. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 hour ago, Jrb1979 said:

I could care less about work ethic. Elite playmakers are more important and right now they don't have many.  You need playmakers to win when it matters. Look at KC last year, they had Kelce for offense but their defense had many playmakers. 

 

Compare that to the Bills who have a bunch of good players that bring their lunch pail to work. They play good together as a team but when it matters don't have guys that are game breakers. 

 

Maybe if we have more corporate fans, things will get better

 

Can't have the riffraff around