Alaska Darin Posted June 15, 2005 Posted June 15, 2005 Dude, if you're going to insult me, please don't be a kitty and say it under your "normal" name. Even better, why don't you say it to my face. We'll see who's laughing then. 359072[/snapback] Lighten up, Francis.
IBTG81 Posted June 15, 2005 Posted June 15, 2005 Lighten up, Francis. 359090[/snapback] I get annoyed when the same schmuck follows me around like a little lost kitten.
Gavin in Va Beach Posted June 15, 2005 Posted June 15, 2005 This country's forefathers would have been some of the first to start burning flags in protest at the first sign of tyrannical rule (and probably would be by now). The Crown (or current authority in power) likely would have made flag burning illegal sorely for the purpose of rounding up the burners and keeping them locked up somewhere. Burning the flag IMO is much higher on the free speech list then porno or aggressive papparazzi and entertainment tabloids. As to the foreign born ban on being president, I'm strongly for it. Give other nations a chance to slip in a 'Manchurian Canidate' and they'll roll the dice, let's not kid ourselves. And I I say this as one who believed until today that I couldn't be president because I was born on foriegn soil. Now I guess I could since Pops was in the Navy at the time thanks to KRC looking it up. Don't worry though...waaaaay too many skeletons in this closet...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted June 15, 2005 Posted June 15, 2005 True. I was making an attempt to crack open the black box that is Beausox' mind. Taking many of his posts as a whole, his MO seems to take a topic, make a loose association which not many can understand or take the time to check on, then drive the thread in a new direction to espouse his own views. In this post, he used the flag-burning issue to drop the name of Hume, then mention something about marriage, which has nothing to do with the topic. It's pretty interesting. 359071[/snapback] Hmmm...interesting theory. I always figured he was simply incoherent and knew how to abuse a thesarus. I believe Occam's Razor dictates my theory the more likely, in particular because you give him a LOT of credit. Still, I can't completely discount your preposition...
Johnny Coli Posted June 15, 2005 Posted June 15, 2005 Back to the flag-burning topic. Do you root for the team, or do you root for the laundry? I burned my Bledsoe jersey after one game last year. Does that mean I'm not a true Bills fan? Absolutely not. It just means I love the team so much that I was willing to use that simple act to show how much emotion I have vested in the team. People who burn the flag may not be making the same type of statement, but I believe it still applys, somewhat. However, if a Pats fan is burning a Bills jersey, I'm more than likely to drop the gloves and come over the boards.
Benjamin Franklin Posted June 15, 2005 Posted June 15, 2005 I was going to do a poll on who believes Ed has really gotten laid. But who are we kidden, Ed couldn't get laid at a Madonna convention But on a more serious note. What do people think about flag desecration? Freedom of speech, disrespectful, both... 358912[/snapback] To quote Komachi This night of no moon There is no way to meet him. I rise in longing- My breast pounds, a leaping flame, My heart is consumed in fire. You ignorant souls who mock beaux should listen and learn. We have much to offer.
KRC Posted June 15, 2005 Posted June 15, 2005 However, if a Pats fan is burning a Bills jersey, I'm more than likely to drop the gloves and come over the boards. 359147[/snapback] I know that you are being sarcastic, but ironically you are making a case for the Amendment with this statement. See how you react to the burning of a symbol of something you care about? The same reaction could happen with burning the flag. It is a symbol of something you care about. For some, the burning of the flag could result in "dropping the gloves and coming over the boards." I personally think it falls under the free speech thingy, but do you see my point? There could be negative consequences (violence) to actions like burning the flag. Does this equate to yelling "fire" in a crowded movie theater or am I stretching things too far?
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 15, 2005 Posted June 15, 2005 Back to the flag-burning topic. Do you root for the team, or do you root for the laundry? I burned my Bledsoe jersey after one game last year. Does that mean I'm not a true Bills fan? Absolutely not. It just means I love the team so much that I was willing to use that simple act to show how much emotion I have vested in the team. People who burn the flag may not be making the same type of statement, but I believe it still applys, somewhat. However, if a Pats fan is burning a Bills jersey, I'm more than likely to drop the gloves and come over the boards. 359147[/snapback] Difference is, no one died trying to plant a Drew Bledsoe jersey on the top of Mount Suribachi. No one died carrying a Drew Bledsoe jersey at Bull Run. There's a reverence to the dead attached to the flag and burning it is a sign of HATRED for this country and the men who died for it. Why the hell do you think those arseholes in the Middle East do it? When someone in this nation does it, he or she should be promptly beaten down by his fellow citizens in the name of civic duty. HOWEVER...it should remain legal because it is a matter of free speech. but I do think the good citizens of the locality in which said "expression" takes place should feel free to show the idiot undertaking it what they think of his or her "expression".
Johnny Coli Posted June 15, 2005 Posted June 15, 2005 I know that you are being sarcastic, but ironically you are making a case for the Amendment with this statement. See how you react to the burning of a symbol of something you care about? The same reaction could happen with burning the flag. It is a symbol of something you care about. For some, the burning of the flag could result in "dropping the gloves and coming over the boards." I personally think it falls under the free speech thingy, but do you see my point? There could be negative consequences (violence) to actions like burning the flag. Does this equate to yelling "fire" in a crowded movie theater or am I stretching things too far? 359155[/snapback] Yes, I was being sarcastic, and yes, I do see what you mean. I feel it (flag burning) falls under free speech. We let white supremacists march/rally, etc. And we let them march without fear of violence, and in most cases have to actually protect them while they march. Freedom means that sometimes you have to throw up in your mouth and look the other way.
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted June 15, 2005 Posted June 15, 2005 Yes, I was being sarcastic, and yes, I do see what you mean. I feel it (flag burning) falls under free speech. We let white supremacists march/rally, etc. And we let them march without fear of violence, and in most cases have to actually protect them while they march. Freedom means that sometimes you have to throw up in your mouth and look the other way. 359161[/snapback] ""You want free speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil who is standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours. You want to claim this land as the 'land of the free'? Then the symbol of your country cannot just be a flag. The symbol also has to be one of its citizens exercising his right to burn that flag in protest. Now show me that, defend that, celebrate that in your classrooms. Then you can stand up and sing about the 'land of the free.'" The American President was a pretty good performance by Michael Douglass. This was one of his best speeches.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 15, 2005 Posted June 15, 2005 Hey, what the hell happened to my post? There was nothing obscene or otherwise in there.
Johnny Coli Posted June 15, 2005 Posted June 15, 2005 Hey, what the hell happened to my post? There was nothing obscene or otherwise in there. 359183[/snapback] Joe Six Pack got censored in a thread about free speech. That would qualify as irony, I believe.
ieatcrayonz Posted June 15, 2005 Author Posted June 15, 2005 Even better, why don't you say it to my face. We'll see who's laughing then. 359072[/snapback] That would require me getting into the fetal position.
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted June 15, 2005 Posted June 15, 2005 Hey, what the hell happened to my post? There was nothing obscene or otherwise in there. 359183[/snapback] I burned it.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 15, 2005 Posted June 15, 2005 I burned it. 359209[/snapback] *promply smacks Tom around*
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted June 15, 2005 Posted June 15, 2005 *promply smacks Tom around* 359213[/snapback] Well...this is a thread about Fag Burning, isn't it?
sweet baboo Posted June 15, 2005 Posted June 15, 2005 like someone said above, I'd be against such an amendment is a restriction of freedom of speech however, the liberals who are all gung ho about burning the flag should shut their faces about koran desecration
Alaska Darin Posted June 15, 2005 Posted June 15, 2005 I get annoyed when the same schmuck follows me around like a little lost kitten. 359091[/snapback] I'm sure he'll stop BECAUSE you're replying...
OnTheRocks Posted June 15, 2005 Posted June 15, 2005 i don't support a ban, but i would not burn the flag. i think it would be good to not have a ban....because then all the commie liberals that do decide they want to burn it, can have their names and/or images added to the Homeland Security "Sh1t List".
Alaska Darin Posted June 15, 2005 Posted June 15, 2005 I support a Constitutional Amendment to abolish the litany of unConstitutional laws that have been passed over the last 50 years or so.
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