Figster Posted April 1 Author Posted April 1 Just now, Punching Bag said: Make it about money like current NFL - let all players be able to be auctioned to highest bidder. Then players will be more accurate it at calling it a slave auction. Lol, I love this idea, hahaha Quote
FireChans Posted April 1 Posted April 1 (edited) 1 hour ago, Figster said: Drought brain, lol, ok How about scrambled brains for all the good QB's ruined behind bad Olines. Piss poor management like putting Aaron Rodgers behind the Jets Oline. Lets ruin Zach Wilson since brainstorm idea number one doesn't work. Brilliant... Zach Wilson was never a good QB. That’s where you’re wrong lol. Aaron Rodgers wasn’t bad last year. He got hurt. There is a significant difference between getting hurt and being garbage. Wilson is garbage. Just like Darnold was garbage. Lots of folks like you thought Sammy boy was just being held back by the Jets. They worked for the Panthers and traded for Sam for a second round pick. They are begging for change on the freeway now. Sam and Zach would look bad behind the Bills OL in 2021 and 2022. Do you know why Josh was still amazing those years? Because he’s a MUCH BETTER QB. It has nothing to do with Brandon Beane’s leadership in the FO. Zero, zilch, nada. Edited April 1 by FireChans 2 Quote
Buffalo716 Posted April 1 Posted April 1 (edited) 7 minutes ago, FireChans said: Zach Wilson was never a good QB. That’s where you’re wrong lol. Aaron Rodgers wasn’t bad last year. He got hurt. There is a significant difference between getting hurt and being garbage. Wilson is garbage. Just like Darnold was garbage. Lots of folks like you thought Sammy boy was just being held back by the Jets. They worked for the Panthers and traded for Sam for a second round pick. They are begging for change on the freeway now. Sam and Zach would look bad behind the Bills OL in 2021 and 2022. Do you know why Josh was still amazing those years? Because he’s a MUCH BETTER QB. It has nothing to do with Brandon Beane’s leadership in the FO. Zero, zilch, nada. Circumstances, and coaching and development are certainly the biggest parts of how young quarterbacks develop Now I'm not saying Sam darnold was destined to be a Hall of famer... But going to the Jets certainly hindered his development They have developed like 1 quarterback in 60 years... They do not understand how to treat a quarterback.. they throw them to the fires and watch them suffer Even McDermott tried to sit Allen behind Peterman because it's logically the best thing for any professional quarterback... It helped Rogers, it helped Brady, it helped Eli and Philip Rivers Sitting and learning the professional game has never hurt any quarterback... Getting thrown to the fire has hurt more than it's helped If you could survive being thrown to the fire you will be all right... But destroys more And the Jets have been a dumpster fire for the majority of their history Edited April 1 by Buffalo716 1 Quote
FireChans Posted April 1 Posted April 1 Just now, Buffalo716 said: Circumstances, and coaching and development are certainly the biggest parts of how young quarterbacks develop Now I'm not saying Sam darnold was destined to be a Hall of famer... But going to the Jets certainly hindered his development They have developed one quarterback in 60 years... They do not understand how to treat a quarterback.. they throw them to the fires and watch them suffer Even McDermott tried to sit Allen behind Peterman because it's logically the best thing for any professional quarterback... It helped Rogers, it helped Brady, it helped Eli and Philip Rivers Sitting and learning the professional game has never hurt any quarterback... Getting thrown to the fire has hurt more than it's helped If you could survive being thrown to the fire you will be all right... But destroys more I don’t disagree that sitting for a bit can be helpful. I do disagree with the philosophy of “get this guy good enough.” That’s legitimately worse. If Wilson or Darnold sit for a season then get 3 seasons starting after that and are just “okay” QB’s, you aren’t going anywhere anyway. The cream rises to the top. Josh could’ve sat, he could’ve started week one, it wouldn’t matter, he’d still be what he is today. Same with Burrow. Same with Lamar. Same with Mahomes. Same with Stafford. I firmly believe that. I would also disagree that they always throw them to the fire. Sanchez was game managing hard when he got drafted. He still sucked. He was playing Mac Jones ball, which got them more success than they deserved. And it’s the same thing that happened to Mac. 1 1 Quote
Buffalo716 Posted April 1 Posted April 1 1 minute ago, FireChans said: I don’t disagree that sitting for a bit can be helpful. I do disagree with the philosophy of “get this guy good enough.” That’s legitimately worse. If Wilson or Darnold sit for a season then get 3 seasons starting after that and are just “okay” QB’s, you aren’t going anywhere anyway. The cream rises to the top. Josh could’ve sat, he could’ve started week one, it wouldn’t matter, he’d still be what he is today. Same with Burrow. Same with Lamar. Same with Mahomes. Same with Stafford. I firmly believe that. I would also disagree that they always throw them to the fire. Sanchez was game managing hard when he got drafted. He still sucked. He was playing Mac Jones ball, which got them more success than they deserved. And it’s the same thing that happened to Mac. Cream rising to the top is certainly an overstatement... There are plenty of quarterbacks that have been ruined David Carr was much better than Derek Carr coming out... It's not even close But David went to an expansion franchise that rattled his brain and ruined him Quarterbacks learning from the bench has never been a bad thing in the NFL... It's the one position that does not need live repetitions to get better Tony Romo sitting on the bench for 3-4 years completely turned his career around and helped him turn into a borderline Hall of famer... If he got thrown to the fire as a rookie he's out of the league in 2 years But Jerry Jones took 4 years developing him and he has 30,000 yards and 200 touchdowns Taking care of quarterbacks is the biggest thing in professional sports... Way more are broken than made You could never convince me Tom Brady is Tom Brady... If he didn't get Bill belichick and to sit behind Drew bledsoe He's not Tom Brady if he goes to Atlanta lol Situations and development is Paramount to any NFL player.. Sam darnold had tons of talent but I knew he was ruined the second he was going to New York Justin Fields had tons of talent and I knew he was ruined the second he was going to Chicago.. because they haven't developed a quarterback in 30 years Justin fields in Seattle could get developed by Pete Carroll 1 1 Quote
FireChans Posted April 1 Posted April 1 2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Cream rising to the top is certainly an overstatement... There are plenty of quarterbacks that have been ruined David Carr was much better than Derek Carr coming out... It's not even close But David went to an expansion franchise that rattled his brain and ruined him Quarterbacks learning from the bench has never been a bad thing in the NFL... It's the one position that does not need live repetitions to get better Tony Romo sitting on the bench for 3-4 years completely turned his career around and helped him turn into a borderline Hall of famer... If he got thrown to the fire as a rookie he's out of the league in 2 years But Jerry Jones took 4 years developing him and he has 30,000 yards and 200 touchdowns Taking care of quarterbacks is the biggest thing in professional sports... Way more are broken than made You could never convince me Tom Brady is Tom Brady... If he didn't get Bill belichick and to sit behind Drew bledsoe He's not Tom Brady if he goes to Atlanta lol Situations and development is Paramount to any NFL player.. Sam darnold had tons of talent but I knew he was ruined the second he was going to New York Justin Fields had tons of talent and I knew he was ruined the second he was going to Chicago.. because they haven't developed a quarterback in 30 years Justin fields in Seattle could get developed by Pete Carroll I guess I just disagree. I think Brady would’ve still been great. I think Romo would’ve been really good. Folks like to say QB’s get “ruined,” but what does that mean? Justin Fields is incapable of improving now after a few bad seasons? Why? Bad habits he can’t break? I never bought it and I still don’t. How did Jared Goff somehow shake off his rookie year? He should’ve been “ruined” by Jeff Fisher, right? Or maybe, just maybe, the ones who suck with arguably bad coaching and then suck with arguably good coaching…. just suck. 1 Quote
Buffalo716 Posted April 1 Posted April 1 (edited) 29 minutes ago, FireChans said: I guess I just disagree. I think Brady would’ve still been great. I think Romo would’ve been really good. Folks like to say QB’s get “ruined,” but what does that mean? Justin Fields is incapable of improving now after a few bad seasons? Why? Bad habits he can’t break? I never bought it and I still don’t. How did Jared Goff somehow shake off his rookie year? He should’ve been “ruined” by Jeff Fisher, right? Or maybe, just maybe, the ones who suck with arguably bad coaching and then suck with arguably good coaching…. just suck. No offense... But I can tell football fans.. from people who have been around the game for a long time in a professional standpoint... Paid to coach the game You're literally trying to argue that situation's don't impact players which is the biggest thing for professional quarterbacks and players Josh Allen would certainly be better today if he got to sit and learn behind tyrod Taylor or Ryan Fitzpatrick for a year or two... Josh Allen is a Hall of Fame quarterback with some quirks that still pop out under duress... Sitting and learning on the bench helps alleviate those quirks... Mahomes had quirks... Sitting for an entire year help his muscle memory... Helped eliminate quarks under pressure... Josh didn't eliminate those .. he still one of the best quarterbacks in the world... But reverts to bad quirks under pressure... You can really alleviate that with time which he didn't get... Manning didn't get it either and he's one of the best ever.. Brady did get it and he's better Jared Goff didn't get sacked 70 times as a rookie and get his brain scrambled.. he was behind a good yet old school NFL coach... Jeff Fisher maybe wasn't ready for the new school of the NFL... Certainly knows the psyche behind developing a young player Peyton Manning had 28 interceptions as a rookie that doesn't mean he was ruined... Because he was getting raised the correct way to know that's not an issue... The support to keep him positive... You're on a bad team 28 interceptions is okay And Jared Goff is average , certainly not an NFL superstar... So a number one pick who is supposed to be in All pro... Has became an average NFL quarterback Due to circumstances Patrick mahomes... Was passed on by 9 NFL teams... Tyreek Hill called him trash as a rookie... But he got to learn the NFL game from the bench... Behind a pro bowl quarterback... And the best quarterback coach of the last 30 years And he developed beautifully because he wasn't thrown to the fire... Getting thrown to the fire is the death sentence of a young NFL quarterback... If you can survive being thrown to the fire as a QB you're basically an NFL Hall of famer Edited April 1 by Buffalo716 1 Quote
BuffaloBillsGospel2014 Posted April 1 Posted April 1 10 hours ago, Figster said: The reward you may get for being one of the best college athletes playing in your position is to end up playing for one of the worst coached and managed teams in the NFL. In many instances the best college QB's end up in places destined for failure. So why reward poorly coached and managed teams in this manner? Why do we reward the best college athletes entering the NFL draft in this manner? I get trying to even the playing field. My idea is to make teams work for the rights to the best college athletes. Show that you can coach and manage well enough to give star athletes a chance for success in the NFL. My idea is to give the best team/record to not make the playoffs the 1st pick in the draft and go from best to worst record. Teams on the brink of becoming playoff caliber getting the best college athletes available. Win, win for both the player and team. Playoff teams pick last and still go from best to worst. Stop rewarding perennial bad teams for failure. Any thoughts on this idea my fellow Bills fans? The idea of the draft is to even the playing field otherwise why are fans even bothering coming to your stadium if you now can't even get the best players in the draft when you lose? For 17 years the best part of our days as Bills fans was the hope for a savior prospect in the draft to get us out of the funk that was the continued loop we were in what seemed like forever. The draft is the 1 thing to me that's not broken and shouldn't be touched in any way imo. 1 1 Quote
Figster Posted April 1 Author Posted April 1 (edited) 14 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said: The idea of the draft is to even the playing field otherwise why are fans even bothering coming to your stadium if you now can't even get the best players in the draft when you lose? For 17 years the best part of our days as Bills fans was the hope for a savior prospect in the draft to get us out of the funk that was the continued loop we were in what seemed like forever. The draft is the 1 thing to me that's not broken and shouldn't be touched in any way imo. Since the two busiest posters in this thread can't even spell parity correct I commend you with this logical post. I fell in love with the Buffalo Bills at a very early age because of a charismatic and fun to watch RB named O J Simpson. Drafted 1st overall in the NFL Draft... Edited April 1 by Figster Quote
Buffalo716 Posted April 1 Posted April 1 3 minutes ago, Figster said: Since the two busiest posters in this thread can't even spell parity correct I commend you with this logical post. I fell in love with the Buffalo Bills at a very early age because of a very charismatic and fun to watch RB named O J Simpson. Drafted 1st overall in the NFL Draft... To be fair I speak into the microphone into my phone If it can't spell parody correctly... Parity****.. well screw it I'm not taking my time to change it 1 Quote
FireChans Posted April 1 Posted April 1 24 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: You're literally trying to argue that situation's don't impact players which is the biggest thing for professional quarterbacks and players Situations matter. To an extent. I’m not arguing otherwise. what im arguing is that great situations can make a B+ QB into an A- or an A. Bad situation can also make an A QB into a B plus. Situations will never make a C or D QB into an A QB. Ever. Ever ever. Mark Sanchez could’ve sat for a year on the 2017 Chiefs with Hill and Kelce and Reid and never, ever, ever, been great. 28 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: If you can survive being thrown to the fire as a QB you're basically an NFL Hall of famer This is just nonsense. Jared Goff isn’t a Hall of Famer. we all agree he survived, yeah? Is Stroud a Hall of Famer? What about Herbert? Or Lawrence? All of them survived getting thrown into the fire. 1 1 Quote
BuffaloBillsGospel2014 Posted April 1 Posted April 1 12 minutes ago, Figster said: Since the two busiest posters in this thread can't even spell parity correct I commend you with this logical post. I fell in love with the Buffalo Bills at a very early age because of a charismatic and fun to watch RB named O J Simpson. Drafted 1st overall in the NFL Draft... That was a bit before my time but that must have been awesome, what was the draft like then? Quote
Figster Posted April 1 Author Posted April 1 (edited) 43 minutes ago, FireChans said: Situations matter. To an extent. I’m not arguing otherwise. what im arguing is that great situations can make a B+ QB into an A- or an A. Bad situation can also make an A QB into a B plus. Situations will never make a C or D QB into an A QB. Ever. Ever ever. Mark Sanchez could’ve sat for a year on the 2017 Chiefs with Hill and Kelce and Reid and never, ever, ever, been great. This is just nonsense. Jared Goff isn’t a Hall of Famer. we all agree he survived, yeah? Is Stroud a Hall of Famer? What about Herbert? Or Lawrence? All of them survived getting thrown into the fire. Luckily for Herbert and Lawrence they can run well and throw while running. 39 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said: That was a bit before my time but that must have been awesome, what was the draft like then? I was only 8 at the time and wasn't watching the NFL draft yet. Yes, watching O J play was awesome. Edited April 1 by Figster Quote
Buffalo716 Posted April 1 Posted April 1 (edited) 1 hour ago, FireChans said: Situations matter. To an extent. I’m not arguing otherwise. what im arguing is that great situations can make a B+ QB into an A- or an A. Bad situation can also make an A QB into a B plus. Situations will never make a C or D QB into an A QB. Ever. Ever ever. Mark Sanchez could’ve sat for a year on the 2017 Chiefs with Hill and Kelce and Reid and never, ever, ever, been great. This is just nonsense. Jared Goff isn’t a Hall of Famer. we all agree he survived, yeah? Is Stroud a Hall of Famer? What about Herbert? Or Lawrence? All of them survived getting thrown into the fire. To be fair you're making me exaggerate.. because you're not grasping what I'm saying Situations for quarterbacks is Paramount Always has been always will be... Sitting has never been bad for a quarterback David Carr was an really good QB quarterback that turned into a bum.. while his brother was an average prospect who turned into a NFL starter Because of situations Again not every situation is created equal... Trevor Lawrence was the greatest 18-year-old quarterback I have ever seen I saw him at the All American game in high school and I said I would have drafted him in the first round out of high school... Even if you had to sit on them for 3 years developing him His physical gifts and technique were the purest I've ever seen at that age... And he went to a historically bad franchise and wins games He certainly is not a bust If he went to Andy Reid as a rookie I think he certainly is transcendent..but he didn't I actually was not high on CJ Stroud... And he certainly proved me wrong and will be a really good quarterback.. I didn't like the situation he was in But where they land has as much to do with their development as their talent... There is a reason why the worst teams have a chance at the best players... But there's also a reason why they're the worst teams There are so many variables... And coaching and grooming have a lot to do with it... But learning on the bench has never been bad for a quarterback's development Brees, Brady , rivers , Eli Manning , Rodgers ... Even Allen was supposed to sit... Because it's the best thing for a Young quarterback Fitzpatrick was a c-minus physical quarterback... But he sat for the majority of 3 years and learned the game... And he has more touchdowns than Tony Romo... Play him game one of his rookie year... And he certainly doesn't develop as well as he did from the bench.. he has more touchdowns than Kurt Warner and Ryan tannehill too It's been the way forever... If you physically can sit them... It's always a positive to learn the professional game and knock out some of the quirks they have .. and it doesn't always even knock them all out Getting thrown to the fire can create great quarterbacks but you never really knock out those quirks that you can while sitting on the bench... Sitting for a year or two can remove them You can be a great quarterback getting thrown to the fire but some of those quirks pop up under duress... A good quarterback will only be greater if he gets to sit and learn the game and eliminate some quirks Again you could never convince me Tom Brady wins his first six super bowls with anybody other than the greatest defensive coordinator in NFL history... Who was The Mastermind of a dynasty... And basically controlled young Tom Brady like young cus dmato controlled Mike Tyson There's a reason why it's called grooming a quarterback... They're not ready made 99% time Edited April 1 by Buffalo716 1 Quote
Niagara Dude Posted April 1 Posted April 1 17 hours ago, Figster said: The reward you may get for being one of the best college athletes playing in your position is to end up playing for one of the worst coached and managed teams in the NFL. In many instances the best college QB's end up in places destined for failure. So why reward poorly coached and managed teams in this manner? Why do we reward the best college athletes entering the NFL draft in this manner? I get trying to even the playing field. My idea is to make teams work for the rights to the best college athletes. Show that you can coach and manage well enough to give star athletes a chance for success in the NFL. My idea is to give the best team/record to not make the playoffs the 1st pick in the draft and go from best to worst record. Teams on the brink of becoming playoff caliber getting the best college athletes available. Win, win for both the player and team. Playoff teams pick last and still go from best to worst. Stop rewarding perennial bad teams for failure. Any thoughts on this idea my fellow Bills fans? The system work fine, normally teams that are bad and drafting high have fired their HC'S and having an opportunity to draft a top QB offers an incentive to hiring a new and more capable HC. The teams that are bad usually lose because they don't have a QB and enough surrounding talent 1 Quote
FireChans Posted April 1 Posted April 1 (edited) 6 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: To be fair you're making me exaggerate.. because you're not grasping what I'm saying Situations for quarterbacks is Paramount Always has been always will be... Sitting has never been bad for a quarterback David Carr was an really good QB quarterback that turned into a bum.. while his brother was an average prospect who turned into a NFL starter Because of situations Again not every situation is created equal... Trevor Lawrence was the greatest 18-year-old quarterback I have ever seen I saw him at the All American game in high school and I said I would have drafted him in the first round out of high school... Even if you had to sit on them for 3 years developing him His physical gifts and technique were the purest I've ever seen at that age... And he went to a historically bad franchise and wins games He certainly is not a bust If he went to Andy Reid as a rookie I think he certainly is transcendent..but he didn't I actually was not high on CJ Stroud... And he certainly proved me wrong and will be a really good quarterback.. I didn't like the situation he was in But where they land has as much to do with their development as their talent... There is a reason why the worst teams have a chance at the best players... But there's also a reason why they're the worst teams There are so many variables... And coaching and grooming have a lot to do with it... But learning on the bench has never been bad for a quarterback's development Brees, Brady , rivers , Eli Manning , Rodgers ... Even Allen was supposed to sit... Because it's the best thing for a Young quarterback Fitzpatrick was a c-minus physical quarterback... But he sat for the majority of 3 years and learned the game... And he has more touchdowns than Tony Romo... Play him game one of his rookie year... And he certainly doesn't develop as well as he did from the bench.. he has more touchdowns than Kurt Warner and Ryan tannehill too It's been the way forever... If you physically can sit them... It's always a positive to learn the professional game and knock out some of the quirks they have .. and it doesn't always even knock them all out Getting thrown to the fire can create great quarterbacks but you never really knock out those quirks that you can while sitting on the bench... Sitting for a year or two can remove them You can be a great quarterback getting thrown to the fire but some of those quirks pop up under duress... A good quarterback will only be greater if he gets to sit and learn the game and eliminate some quirks Again you could never convince me Tom Brady wins his first six super bowls with anybody other than the greatest defensive coordinator in NFL history... Who was The Mastermind of a dynasty... And basically controlled young Tom Brady like young cus dmato controlled Mike Tyson There's a reason why it's called grooming a quarterback... They're not ready made 99% time I understand exactly what you’re saying. I just don’t entirely agree. Yes, sitting a QB can help. I agree with that. Yes, I agree that Brady maybe doesn’t win 6 SB’s in a different situation. What I am arguing is that he’d STILL BE A GREAT QB. He would’ve NEVER been Ryan Fitzpatrick. Never, ever. Just like Josh would’ve never been Fitz. Ever. Edited April 1 by FireChans 1 1 Quote
Alphadawg7 Posted April 1 Posted April 1 Terrible idea. Bad teams would get stuck as being bad teams for a long time. Those teams would lose fans and ticket sales and become what the Clippers were in the NBA for decades when Sterling owned the team. 1 Quote
Figster Posted April 1 Author Posted April 1 5 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Terrible idea. Bad teams would get stuck as being bad teams for a long time. Those teams would lose fans and ticket sales and become what the Clippers were in the NBA for decades when Sterling owned the team. Bad teams already are staying bad teams for a long time. The Bills didn't make the playoffs for over two decades. So unless you want to call an 8 - 8 season good nothing changed until the Bills hired the McBeane regime. It had ZERO to do with the draft. ZERO... 1 Quote
Alphadawg7 Posted April 1 Posted April 1 18 minutes ago, Figster said: Bad teams already are staying bad teams for a long time. The Bills didn't make the playoffs for over two decades. So unless you want to call an 8 - 8 season good nothing changed until the Bills hired the McBeane regime. It had ZERO to do with the draft. ZERO... Zero to do with the draft? Are you serious? Ever heard of Josh Allen? You don't think this team is a perennial playoff team now and SB contender because it drafted Josh Allen early? I mean you can't be serious. How many games do we win last year if Tyrod was our QB? How about in 2022? Does Tyrod put up 9 TD's in 2 games in the playoffs in 2021? I mean Josh Allen has the most TD's in NFL history in his first 6 seasons. We win because of Josh. We drafted Josh. 1 Quote
Figster Posted April 1 Author Posted April 1 Just now, Alphadawg7 said: Zero to do with the draft? Are you serious? Ever heard of Josh Allen? You don't think this team is a perennial playoff team now and SB contender because it drafted Josh Allen early? I mean you can't be serious. How many games do we win last year if Tyrod was our QB? How about in 2022? Does Tyrod put up 9 TD's in 2 games in the playoffs in 2021? I mean Josh Allen has the most TD's in NFL history in his first 6 seasons. We win because of Josh. We drafted Josh. The McBeane regime drafted Josh... Quote
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