The criticism of Josh Allen

[Bangarang]

Only mental midgets care what talking heads in the media have to say. It's all trash tv.

[nedboy7]

McD w a real QB would have won at least 2 by now. There I said it!  😂

[Don Otreply]

3 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

Where is all this negative talk about Josh?   I haven't heard it, but I don't watch or listen to many of the sports shows. 

 

I've said over and over here that Josh needs to get better.  For all his extraordinary talents, what wins in the NFL is consistent execution of the play that is called, with the right choices and with accurate throws.   Mahomes and Burrows both are better than Josh in that category.  Where Josh excels is on the six to ten plays where things break down and you need someone to make a play.  Josh is outstanding then.  It's the other plays where he needs to be better. 

Agree, I have not seen this Josh “hate” that this thread is about. You put it nicely and to the point about Allen’s play, when Josh gets the consistency down he will then have a real chance to win it all with the Bills, until then he will be a very good quarterback that “may” not win it all during his career, jmo. 

[Buddy Hix]

Allen will go down as a great QB and HOFer if he stays healthy. It’s a shame that Allen plays in the same era as Mahommes, who will always overshadow him, mostly because his coach and teammates are superior to Allen’s.

[Wizard]

Those in the 1% of an already elite group of professionals (athletes, celebrities, musicians, uber billionaire business professionals) get too much criticism and too much praise. It's unfortunate, but this is the reality and price of greatness, wealth, and fame.

 

As others have said, if Allen wants to lessen the voice of outspoken critics and semi-accurate perceptions or narratives about him, then he needs to do a few things a little better and win a title or two along with some additional individual awards that usually follow suit.

 

Personally, I don't hear much about Josh Allen as a Coloradan that I think is inaccurate. He is a top 3 QB that has not yet won a title, a MVP, or both, and these are prerequisites to be in the all-time or top 10 QB list.

 

 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

Allen >>> Burrow in the playoffs and it’s not even close. If the Bills defense played like the Bengals and Chiefs defense in the postseason the Bills would have multiple Super Bowl appearances and at least one Lombardi since 2020. 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

4 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

Where is all this negative talk about Josh?   I haven't heard it, but I don't watch or listen to many of the sports shows. 

 

I've said over and over here that Josh needs to get better.  For all his extraordinary talents, what wins in the NFL is consistent execution of the play that is called, with the right choices and with accurate throws.   Mahomes and Burrows both are better than Josh in that category.  Where Josh excels is on the six to ten plays where things break down and you need someone to make a play.  Josh is outstanding then.  It's the other plays where he needs to be better. 

All over social media. Reddit, FB, Twitter or whatever the F it’s called these days, it’s literally allover every comment section that has anything to do with Josh Allen or the Bills. Way more hate since the playoff loss. Allen kind of went from a hero to hated pretty fast. 

1 hour ago, Buddy Hix said:

Allen will go down as a great QB and HOFer if he stays healthy. It’s a shame that Allen plays in the same era as Mahommes, who will always overshadow him, mostly because his coach and teammates are superior to Allen’s.

They’re both early in their primes. Things can turn around if McD can pull his head out of his *** and build a playoff caliber defense. 

[SoonerBillsFan]

9 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

by the media and non-Bills fans seems to be the trend this offseason. He’s getting the label of a guy that can’t and never will get it done. A “poor man’s Roethlisberger” or Phillip Rivers (who I think he’s already surpassed in 6 years.) Guys like Lamar Jackson get flack, but the flat out hating of Allen has been absolutely ridiculous lately and it’s everywhere, I’m not really bothered by it, I’m just wondering where it’s all coming from? Ignorance and sheep mentality? Whether he sniffs a SB in his life time or not, he’s going to be a HOFer on pure numbers alone. 
 

I’ve watched every one of his games as most of us have and he’s clearly not the problem. The turnover stat is so overblown and is on par w/ most of the top QBs in the league. 78 picks to Mahomes 63 over 6 years. That’s 2.5 more interceptions per season than Mahomes if you average it out. Not really that much in a 17 game span and most of them don’t usually affect the outcome of the game as the Bills have one of the best regular season records in the NFL since Allen was drafted. 

First: screw the media. They are pissed that he is a success. Second: Josh is a top 3 QB in the NFL no matter what. 

[FireChans]

10 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

by the media and non-Bills fans seems to be the trend this offseason. He’s getting the label of a guy that can’t and never will get it done. A “poor man’s Roethlisberger” or Phillip Rivers (who I think he’s already surpassed in 6 years.) Guys like Lamar Jackson get flack, but the flat out hating of Allen has been absolutely ridiculous lately and it’s everywhere, I’m not really bothered by it, I’m just wondering where it’s all coming from? Ignorance and sheep mentality? Whether he sniffs a SB in his life time or not, he’s going to be a HOFer on pure numbers alone. 
 

I’ve watched every one of his games as most of us have and he’s clearly not the problem. The turnover stat is so overblown and is on par w/ most of the top QBs in the league. 78 picks to Mahomes 63 over 6 years. That’s 2.5 more interceptions per season than Mahomes if you average it out. Not really that much in a 17 game span and most of them don’t usually affect the outcome of the game as the Bills have one of the best regular season records in the NFL since Allen was drafted. 

I too write paragraphs about things I’m not bothered by.

[julian]

3 hours ago, 90sBills said:

One can only put it on the defense for so long. When Mahomes gets the ball with a chance to win at the end of playoffs games he usually finishes. The opponents know this. Fans know this. When Allen gets the ball at the end we’re often bracing for the inevitable wtf happened moment.

 

Regardless of how the defense played this past playoffs game Allen had the ball with a chance to knock off KC and couldn’t finish. If it was the reverse Mahomes would definitely finish that drive. We’ve seen it from him time and again in the biggest games. KC’s defense gave up 35 in the Superbowl. Mahomes found  way to score 38. That’s the level that Allen needs to operate at and he hasn’t.

He actually has operated at that level, in KC taking the lead not once, TWICE inside the final 2 mins but yet again… 13 seconds was too long for McDermott and his D.

 

This team needs more elite playmakers and they need their excellent regular season D to show up in the playoffs.

[MJS]

You are going to have to provide some examples. Most of what I hear about Allen is positive.

[90sBills]

26 minutes ago, julian said:

He actually has operated at that level, in KC taking the lead not once, TWICE inside the final 2 mins but yet again… 13 seconds was too long for McDermott and his D.

 

This team needs more elite playmakers and they need their excellent regular season D to show up in the playoffs.

I agree with 13 sec. Allen did his job. Coaching staff screwed up. Also credit should be given to Mahomes and KC for taken advantage of that situation.

 

In elimination games elite QBs like Mahomes will score with the ball last and game on the line regardless of what defense it is. Eagles and SF had top defenses in the last two Superbowls and couldn’t get stops to secure a Lombardi.

 

This is the playoffs level I’m hoping Allen can get to at some point. Where everyone knows he will lead the Bills to a winning score regardless of the defense he’s up against. More playmakers will definitely help with that cause for sure, to your point. 

[ToGoGo]

What do you do when you hated someone coming out of college and that person has succeeded all expectations? 
 

You put that person under a microscope and critique everything he does. 
 

Anybody here that has ever had haters in their life knows what’s going on. 
 

The same people that worship Mahomes will try to find the cloud in the silver lining if/when Allen wins a Super Bowl. “Oh his team carried him, he only had 200 yards.”  “He’ll never win another one.” “The refs rigged it for him.”  

[julian]

37 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

I agree with 13 sec. Allen did his job. Coaching staff screwed up. Also credit should be given to Mahomes and KC for taken advantage of that situation.

 

In elimination games elite QBs like Mahomes will score with the ball last and game on the line regardless of what defense it is. Eagles and SF had top defenses in the last two Superbowls and couldn’t get stops to secure a Lombardi.

 

This is the playoffs level I’m hoping Allen can get to at some point. Where everyone knows he will lead the Bills to a winning score regardless of the defense he’s up against. More playmakers will definitely help with that cause for sure, to your point. 

He did lead them to the winning score, he got to that level.

 

 The fact McDermott folded like a cheap lawn chair with 13 seconds remaining doesn’t eliminate that fact.

Edited March 31 by julian

[Ray Stonada]

You could say the difference between Josh and Mahomes in the playoffs is Spagnuolo.
 

The difference between Josh and Burrow is Anarumo.

And the narrative won’t change until we beat one of them.

[oldmanfan]

4 hours ago, PBF81 said:

 

Of course not.  I'm curious how that impacts the comments that I made about his '21 season playoffs.  

 

Maybe instead of a comment like that, point out how much you'd like him to improve from posting two games with the following stat lines: 

 

308 Passing Yards, 5 Passing TDs, 157.6 Rating, 6 Carries for 66 Rushing Yards 

329 Passing Yards, 4 Passing TDs, 136.0 Rating, 11 Carries for 68 Rushing Yards 

 

In the other games, maybe point out where he failed while the rest of the team stepped up.  

 

Let's stay focused here instead of going off on tangents having little if anything to do with the original point.  

 

There's not a playoff game that we've played where anyone, national media, Bills fans, non-Bills fans, etc. can honestly say that we lost because of Allen with most much less all of the rest of the team having played a great game.  Once again, that points to something beyond merely Allen as to why we do not advance.  

 

 

I would suggest that if Josh had taken the shorter throw instead of trying to hit Shakir, we could have run more clock and beaten KC.  Josh is an immense talent.  No one denies that.  I’m glad he’s our QB.  But his improvement will come not in the physical but the mental part of the game, knowing when to take the shorter option as an example.  I expect the more seasons under his belt the more we’ll see that.

[Mr. WEO]

link?

[90sBills]

1 hour ago, julian said:

He did lead them to the winning score, he got to that level.

 

 The fact McDermott folded like a cheap lawn chair with 13 seconds remaining doesn’t eliminate that fact.

Yes he did…in a game that was 2 years ago. It can’t be just 1 time. We’re talking about playoffs here. Where the cream rises to the top. It has to be consistent. 

All was on a platter for him this past playoffs game against KC, at home no less. Had the ball with a chance to eliminate Mahomes and KC. Home crowd cheering on. It would’ve changed his whole narrative this offseason. So how did he answered that opportunity? By  being impatient at the worst possible moment and ultimately didn’t even advance the team to the red zone. Giving his struggling kicker a tough kick in that condition. So the narrative will continue. He has to improve his mental game to take it to level where Mahomes is operating. Until he does Bills will be going home early in the playoffs as always. 

 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

2 hours ago, FireChans said:

I too write paragraphs about things I’m not bothered by.

2 paragraphs? It took me 5 minutes. Just an observation. 

[Ya Digg?]

37 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I would suggest that if Josh had taken the shorter throw instead of trying to hit Shakir, we could have run more clock and beaten KC.  Josh is an immense talent.  No one denies that.  I’m glad he’s our QB.  But his improvement will come not in the physical but the mental part of the game, knowing when to take the shorter option as an example.  I expect the more seasons under his belt the more we’ll see that.

It was the right throw, he just didn’t make it (we all know why, and it wasn’t because of Josh)! Why do we still need to keep talking about it? Yes Diggs was open, so was Shakir! Maybe they still only get a field goal with a pass to Diggs, then Mahomes still gets the winning drive…or is that not part of the narrative you want on that?