The criticism of Josh Allen

[JGMcD2]

1 hour ago, Shaw66 said:

What's he done?

 

Well, he's beaten Josh Allen in the playoffs. 

 

His career passer rating is 6 percentage points higher.  6!   He has better completion percentage, yards per attempt, and fewer interceptions.   

 

Other than that, he hasn't done anything. 

It’s funny, because Josh is hands down better than Burrow in the playoffs… likes it’s not even close. 

[Captain Hindsight]

20 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

It’s funny, because Josh is hands down better than Burrow in the playoffs… likes it’s not even close. 

Josh has some of the best playoff numbers in the history of the NFL. The criticism of Josh is absurd 

[PBF81]

11 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

It’s funny, because Josh is hands down better than Burrow in the playoffs… likes it’s not even close. 

 

Great point!

 

And how much better can he be expected to play in the playoffs generally speaking than he did in the '21 season.  He essentially played two perfect games.  

 

Unfortunately few of his teammates, definitely not enough of them, show up in the playoffs, particularly on the defensive side.  Consider, if he played phenomenally, which he did, and led us to 36 points in regulation, them what does it say for a D that did the same on the other side in allowing the opponent to post one of its top-3 best games of the season in doing the same.  

 

It's likely be would have won one in '21, it was our own poor and idiotic decision making that undermined that.  

 

Sometimes you are unfairly credited with things that aren't your fault.  

 

People will draw the conclusions that fit their personal team narratives. 

 

 

2 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Josh has some of the best playoff numbers in the history of the NFL. The criticism of Josh is absurd 

 

Yet, there are reasons as to why we can't advance in the playoffs.  

 

 

[Rockinon]

In my opinion, Josh has not let the team down in any playoff game. The defense on the hand....

 

[JGMcD2]

9 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

Great point!

 

And how much better can he be expected to play in the playoffs generally speaking than he did in the '21 season.  He essentially played two perfect games.  

 

Unfortunately few of his teammates, definitely not enough of them, show up in the playoffs, particularly on the defensive side.  Consider, if he played phenomenally, which he did, and led us to 36 points in regulation, them what does it say for a D that did the same on the other side in allowing the opponent to post one of its top-3 best games of the season in doing the same.  

 

It's likely be would have won one in '21, it was our own poor and idiotic decision making that undermined that.  

 

Sometimes you are unfairly credited with things that aren't your fault.  

 

People will draw the conclusions that fit their personal team narratives. 

I guess I am curious what the narrative would have been in KC had the Bills won in the Divisional Round in 2021. 
 

That they lost because of poor decision making or that Josh Allen is just an elite QB and did elite QB things? The guy on the other sideline is the ONLY other guy in the NFL that can be mentioned in the same breath as Josh, or maybe the other way around, Josh is the only guy that can be mentioned in the same breath as him. 

[BeastMaster]

There's two problems with Josh Allen

 

1. He was labeled a bust by the media, so they will always ensure to never give him the credit he deserves and will work tirelessly to make sure he's not MVP

 

2. He plays for a franchise that is cursed

[oldmanfan]

With Josh we always have a shot to win it all.  Which does not mean he cannot improve.  He still has a tendency to throw too many picks for example.  

[PBF81]

3 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

I guess I am curious what the narrative would have been in KC had the Bills won in the Divisional Round in 2021. 
 

That they lost because of poor decision making or that Josh Allen is just an elite QB and did elite QB things? The guy on the other sideline is the ONLY other guy in the NFL that can be mentioned in the same breath as Josh, or maybe the other way around, Josh is the only guy that can be mentioned in the same breath as him. 

 

And Mahomes had Hill & Kelce, arguably the two best at their positions then, and a vastly Superior OL.  

 

 

Just now, oldmanfan said:

With Josh we always have a shot to win it all.  Which does not mean he cannot improve.  He still has a tendency to throw too many picks for example.  

 

Name one playoff game where Josh threw an INT that was his fault that cost us the game?  

 

 

[Shortchaz]

2 minutes ago, Rockinon said:

In my opinion, Josh has not let the team down in any playoff game. The defense on the hand....

 

Was going to post something similar. 
 

The way our defense has let us down in the playoffs essentially requires josh to play perfectly. 
 

I believe there are aspects of Josh’s game he could improve but it’s way down the list of things the team could/should/need (to) improve.

 

If you follow the reasoning behind the criticism of josh it leads to criticism of McDermott. his defensive philosophy falls apart in the playoffs, or at least there are other teams that do a much better job on that side of the ball in the playoffs. 

[Ya Digg?]

I would much rather be in Josh’s situation, constantly getting into the playoffs, having extremely high expectations, and get the criticism than be a supposed supremely talented QB on supposed incredibly talented teams that can never come through….Justin Herbert anyone? He underperforms so often and somehow his team is consistently so bad that dude somehow escapes all criticism 

[Beck Water]

2 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

pffft.. this from a guy who thinks trading Lamonica for Art Powell was a good idea. wtf has Burrows done? smfh

 

Wait, who said that?

 

We should never have traded Lamonica(tm)

[90sBills]

1 hour ago, JimBob2232 said:

JUST ENJOY IT.  How much hate did Brady get?

Brady was hated because he won a lot. Same with Mahomes now.

 

Allen is criticized in part because of comments like these from Bills fans ever since the 13 sec game. Comparing him to the best to ever played. Saying things like he’s the best in the league right now. All the while he hasn’t delivered on the field the type of success that would merit these comments. Add to the fact that Bills have been media preseason darlings the last few years. Things are turning against Allen and the Bills because they have not won. All they have to do is go win a superbowl. 

[HaldimandBills]

Not sure I completely agree. The mainstream media is what if is and of course there will be buzz words because it draws ratings from the casual fans. Guys like Nick Wright and Steven A Smith are NBA guys who sell talking points about the NFL because if you don't talk NFL you don't get the big money in American sports media.

 

NFL media that focuses exclusively on the NFL are not saying anything negative about Josh Allen. What they're saying is McDermott is a defensive mind and his defenses are falling short in the playoffs and that Beane has done a piss poor job of surrounding Allen with elite talent outside of Diggs. I actually don't disagree with this. Chiefs this past year had a superior defense to any Bills defense the past 7 years. How is that? Every other major AFC contender has had superior offensive talent to the Bills. How is that? 

 

The one thing some mainstream media talk about that I dont agree with is the Bills window is closing. No its not. If Beane attacks offensive talent in this draft and doesn't mess around the Bills could be set up for their best offensive season yet under Allen. 

 

 

[Beck Water]

7 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

by the media and non-Bills fans seems to be the trend this offseason. He’s getting the label of a guy that can’t and never will get it done. A “poor man’s Roethlisberger” or Phillip Rivers (who I think he’s already surpassed in 6 years.) Guys like Lamar Jackson get flack, but the flat out hating of Allen has been absolutely ridiculous lately and it’s everywhere, I’m not really bothered by it, I’m just wondering where it’s all coming from? Ignorance and sheep mentality? Whether he sniffs a SB in his life time or not, he’s going to be a HOFer on pure numbers alone. 
 

I’ve watched every one of his games as most of us have and he’s clearly not the problem. The turnover stat is so overblown and is on par w/ most of the top QBs in the league. 78 picks to Mahomes 63 over 6 years. That’s 2.5 more interceptions per season than Mahomes if you average it out. Not really that much in a 17 game span and most of them don’t usually affect the outcome of the game as the Bills have one of the best regular season records in the NFL since Allen was drafted. 

 

Be helpful if you could provide some examples of what you're talking about.

 

The actual turnovers from actually watching the game say sometimes he's the problem; sometimes he and the rest of the team compensate, sometimes they don't.

 

Sometimes the turnovers don't matter (end of half) or aren't his fault

[oldmanfan]

12 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

And Mahomes had Hill & Kelce, arguably the two best at their positions then, and a vastly Superior OL.  

 

 

 

Name one playoff game where Josh threw an INT that was his fault that cost us the game?  

 

 

There is not a player in the league that cannot continue to improve.  We all love Josh but that doesn’t mean he needs to be treated as some God of perfection.

[90sBills]

14 minutes ago, Shortchaz said:

Was going to post something similar. 
 

The way our defense has let us down in the playoffs essentially requires josh to play perfectly. 
 

I believe there are aspects of Josh’s game he could improve but it’s way down the list of things the team could/should/need (to) improve.

 

If you follow the reasoning behind the criticism of josh it leads to criticism of McDermott. his defensive philosophy falls apart in the playoffs, or at least there are other teams that do a much better job on that side of the ball in the playoffs. 

One can only put it on the defense for so long. When Mahomes gets the ball with a chance to win at the end of playoffs games he usually finishes. The opponents know this. Fans know this. When Allen gets the ball at the end we’re often bracing for the inevitable wtf happened moment.

 

Regardless of how the defense played this past playoffs game Allen had the ball with a chance to knock off KC and couldn’t finish. If it was the reverse Mahomes would definitely finish that drive. We’ve seen it from him time and again in the biggest games. KC’s defense gave up 35 in the Superbowl. Mahomes found  way to score 38. That’s the level that Allen needs to operate at and he hasn’t.

[Augie]

7 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

by the media and non-Bills fans seems to be the trend this offseason. He’s getting the label of a guy that can’t and never will get it done. A “poor man’s Roethlisberger” or Phillip Rivers (who I think he’s already surpassed in 6 years.) Guys like Lamar Jackson get flack, but the flat out hating of Allen has been absolutely ridiculous lately and it’s everywhere, I’m not really bothered by it, I’m just wondering where it’s all coming from? Ignorance and sheep mentality? Whether he sniffs a SB in his life time or not, he’s going to be a HOFer on pure numbers alone. 
 

I’ve watched every one of his games as most of us have and he’s clearly not the problem. The turnover stat is so overblown and is on par w/ most of the top QBs in the league. 78 picks to Mahomes 63 over 6 years. That’s 2.5 more interceptions per season than Mahomes if you average it out. Not really that much in a 17 game span and most of them don’t usually affect the outcome of the game as the Bills have one of the best regular season records in the NFL since Allen was drafted. 

 

Are you watching ESPN? That might be the problem. 

[Shaw66]

1 hour ago, T master said:

All or most of what you have said was proven last season in the MVP voting, Josh dwarfed every one else in the running when it came to his stats then when he went on a 6 game winning streak from the middle of the season to go from the 11th seed to #2 & the AFC east Champs but he wasn't the MVP .

 

🙄 Okay we'll go with that ... What else should we expect we are Bills fans after all right ?

Josh may have been the MVP last year, but he came on too late.  The voters make up their minds in November and December.  It's stupid.  

[Boatdrinks]

It’s just dumb and extremely biased media talking heads trying to advance an agenda. That’s about it. Do yourself a favor and stop caring about anything they say. 

[PBF81]

44 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

There is not a player in the league that cannot continue to improve.  We all love Josh but that doesn’t mean he needs to be treated as some God of perfection.

 

Of course not.  I'm curious how that impacts the comments that I made about his '21 season playoffs.  

 

Maybe instead of a comment like that, point out how much you'd like him to improve from posting two games with the following stat lines: 

 

308 Passing Yards, 5 Passing TDs, 157.6 Rating, 6 Carries for 66 Rushing Yards 

329 Passing Yards, 4 Passing TDs, 136.0 Rating, 11 Carries for 68 Rushing Yards 

 

In the other games, maybe point out where he failed while the rest of the team stepped up.  

 

Let's stay focused here instead of going off on tangents having little if anything to do with the original point.  

 

There's not a playoff game that we've played where anyone, national media, Bills fans, non-Bills fans, etc. can honestly say that we lost because of Allen with most much less all of the rest of the team having played a great game.  Once again, that points to something beyond merely Allen as to why we do not advance.