Poyer talks about 13 seconds

[Buffalo_Stampede]

7 minutes ago, GerstAusGosheim said:

 

I will happily and enthusiastically call myself a clueless Bills fan when he wins an actual championship. He blew our best chance in 30 years. Until then, he's just an average coach being carried by a generational QB in many people's eyes. 

I always love these conversations. McDermott literally drafted Josh Allen and hand picked Brandon Beane. But he’s being carried.

He’s lost to Mahomes and Burrow, so the “he has Josh Allen” argument doesn’t work.

 

He definitely deserves criticism because he always loses his final game in the playoffs, but he also deserves respect for building a contender.

 

[NoSaint]

1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said:

There was no difficult coaching involved.  The mental gymnastics amazes me.  Very simple sqibb or what the Bills did well that year was high kick short of the goal line to the 5 forcing a return (fair catch was introduced in 2023).  Second rush three and and don't let Kelce or Hill off the line.  Two TO's means sidelines are not an issue.  That's it, that's all. 

that we were so dedicate to protecting the outside really left the inside quick hitter wiiiiide open and that’s way worse given how much quicker that play is

[GerstAusGosheim]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I always love these conversations. McDermott literally drafted Josh Allen and hand picked Brandon Beane. But he’s being carried.

He’s lost to Mahomes and Burrow, so the “he has Josh Allen” argument doesn’t work.

 

He definitely deserves criticism because he always loses his final game in the playoffs, but he also deserves respect for building a contender.

 

 

These are all good points, but you can't say he literally drafted Josh Allen and ignore that he literally traded away Mahomes.

 

He has my respect for turning the franchise around and building a contender. But he has a generational QB and it's time to win.

 

 

[GoBills808]

10 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I always love these conversations. McDermott literally drafted Josh Allen and hand picked Brandon Beane. But he’s being carried.

He’s lost to Mahomes and Burrow, so the “he has Josh Allen” argument doesn’t work.

 

He definitely deserves criticism because he always loses his final game in the playoffs, but he also deserves respect for building a contender.

 

How did McDermott literally draft Allen lol

 

Beane drafted Allen. What McDermott did was trade Mahomes to KC the year prior

[Buffalo_Stampede]

25 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

How did McDermott literally draft Allen lol

 

Beane drafted Allen. What McDermott did was trade Mahomes to KC the year prior

lol. 😂 You guys. 

 

McDermott is king! I’ve been saying it since day 1. Everything that happens only happens because McDermott wants it.

 

Yes he traded away Mahomes. Yes he drafted Allen. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

36 minutes ago, GerstAusGosheim said:

 

These are all good points, but you can't say he literally drafted Josh Allen and ignore that he literally traded away Mahomes.

 

He has my respect for turning the franchise around and building a contender. But he has a generational QB and it's time to win.

 

 

And I agree it’s time to win a Super Bowl. It’s always time to win a Super Bowl with Allen. 

[stuvian]

Teams don't drop a losing culture overnight. The Holmgren era Packers lost in the playoffs to Jimmy Johnson's Cowboys for years before breaking through. I believe with the changes in coordinator we are in a better place than we were since that AFC title game. Beane and McDermott are legacy hires. I am more convinced than ever that we'll get it by staying the course. It must just be one like Madden, Holmgren, Ditka, Carroll, Payton, Gruden, Dungy and Cowher but I'll take it.

[JerseyBills]

6 hours ago, GerstAusGosheim said:

People still think Frazier called the plays at the end of the game and McDermott didn't confuse the squibb kick call?

 

No wonder Sean still has supporters. 

 

 

i mean how do you know he did or didn't? Just assuming that the ST and DC coaches were responsible for what's in their job title - calling plays...🤷‍♂️

[BufBills83]

I'm a big McDermott supporter but he blew the end of the 13 seconds game.  I mentioned not rushing anyone at Mahomes for the plays on the last drive.  I mean no pass rushers, 11 in coverage, not everyone deep but probably 3 deep, 4-5 intermediate 15-20 yards and then the other 3-4 short.  Don't worry about the sideline because they had 2 timeouts.  That way you have 11 guys in coverage when you know Mahomes has to throw immediately and its either going to be short and call timeout, or deep and hope for a prayer.  As for Mahomes running, if Mahomes runs, that will take too much time.  A decent run of 10-15 yards would take 5+ seconds and with 11 in coverage and multiple guys covering short, that may not even be possible cause everyone has eyes on the QB and can't rush past him.

Edited April 3 by BufBills83

[Billsfan1972]

Yep beating a dead horse, but Poyer discussed it and it was a story.  

 

Suffice to say that the Bills those 13 seconds basically did everything 100% wrong and what made it so sad is they called 2 timeouts and still couldn't figure anything out. 

 

McD froze in the moment.

[Sweats]

How are we still even talking about this?!?........it was yet another epic meltdown by this franchise at the end of a game (.....and cue the Music City Miracle, Hail Murray, 12 men on the field against Denver, etc).

Suffice to say, the team blew it with 13 seconds......the whole team, from the coaching on down. It'll go down in the annals of this team's history that they choke at the end of games, the HC just can't get it done, the D is a complete dumpster fire when they try to close out, etc.

 

Is it the players or is it coaching?.......like Marv Levy used to say, "when i clap my hands, which hand makes the noise?"

 

I would think that this team has learned their lesson by this point, which they haven't, and we'll deal with this again.......you can bet on that.

[LABILLBACKER]

19 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I always love these conversations. McDermott literally drafted Josh Allen and hand picked Brandon Beane. But he’s being carried.

He’s lost to Mahomes and Burrow, so the “he has Josh Allen” argument doesn’t work.

 

He definitely deserves criticism because he always loses his final game in the playoffs, but he also deserves respect for building a contender.

 

He's a great architect,  just a lousy building manager. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

4 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

He's a great architect,  just a lousy building manager. 

I think we’re going to get answers on McDermott over the next couple seasons. 
 

Im interested to see how the rebuild on defense goes. Terrel Bernard’s success kind of made me dig in deeper for McDermott. I mean he literally hand picked that guy to replace Edmunds and every fan and media member thought he was crazy.

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

2 hours ago, Sweats said:

How are we still even talking about this ?

I think we continue to talk and speculate endlessly about 13 seconds is because the truth about all the breakdowns has never been fully revealed. 

 

If McDermott has indeed taken responsibility then why not reveal second by second all the mistakes that happened? Whether by coaching staff or the players ?

 

I'm not saying McD should call a press conference but if asked on a podcast what happened he should tell everything. 

 

"Coach, well what exactly happened during 13 seconds ?"

 

McDermott: "I'm surprised we're still talking about this but let me take full responsibility. The buck stops with me. I'm going to answer every question..."

 

But McD hasn't done that. He's been incredibly secretive about it, perhaps more secretive than the government is about UFOs in Roswell New Mexico.

 

And by suppressing the truth, instead of burying the issue, it has had an opposite effect.

 

Years later we are still talking about it coming up with theory after theory. Fans are trying to fill in the gaps.

 

I started the OP hoping that more truth would come out and we could put this to rest.

 

But it had the opposite effect fueling even more speculation and much of that is McDermotts fault by not coming clean.

 

The Bills fans deserve to know the truth.

 

My fellow Bills fans alway remember

 

"The harder you try to suppress the truth, the more inevitable it is that it will find a way to come out.” 

 

 

 

 

[Buffalo Boy]

20 hours ago, GerstAusGosheim said:

 

I will happily and enthusiastically call myself a clueless Bills fan when he wins an actual championship. He blew our best chance in 30 years. Until then, he's just an average coach being carried by a generational QB in many people's eyes. 

THIS!!!!

   All day, all week, all month, all year and unfortunately for a few more of Josh’s upcoming seasons.

   All the while, the McD , ball washing, rose colored glasses wearing deniers will be like : Nice take, why do you call yourself a Bills fan? SMDH

   

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

I think we continue to talk and speculate endlessly about 13 seconds is because the truth about all the breakdowns has never been fully revealed. 

 

If McDermott has indeed taken responsibility then why not reveal second by second all the mistakes that happened? Whether by coaching staff or the players ?

 

I'm not saying McD should call a press conference but if asked on a podcast what happened he should tell everything. 

 

"Coach, well what exactly happened during 13 seconds ?"

 

McDermott: "I'm surprised we're still talking about this but let me take full responsibility. The buck stops with me. I'm going to answer every question..."

 

But McD hasn't done that. He's been incredibly secretive about it, perhaps more secretive than the government is about UFOs in Roswell New Mexico.

 

And by suppressing the truth, instead of burying the issue, it has had an opposite effect.

 

Years later we are still talking about it coming up with theory after theory. Fans are trying to fill in the gaps.

 

I started the OP hoping that more truth would come out and we could put this to rest.

 

But it had the opposite effect fueling even more speculation and much of that is McDermotts fault by not coming clean.

 

The Bills fans deserve to know the truth.

 

My fellow Bills fans alway remember

 

"The harder you try to suppress the truth, the more inevitable it is that it will find a way to come out.” 

 

 

 

 

I think players messed up. Thats why it’s not talked about.

[PBF81]

3 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

I think we continue to talk and speculate endlessly about 13 seconds is because the truth about all the breakdowns has never been fully revealed. 

 

If McDermott has indeed taken responsibility then why not reveal second by second all the mistakes that happened? Whether by coaching staff or the players ?

 

I'm not saying McD should call a press conference but if asked on a podcast what happened he should tell everything. 

 

"Coach, well what exactly happened during 13 seconds ?"

 

McDermott: "I'm surprised we're still talking about this but let me take full responsibility. The buck stops with me. I'm going to answer every question..."

 

But McD hasn't done that. He's been incredibly secretive about it, perhaps more secretive than the government is about UFOs in Roswell New Mexico.

 

And by suppressing the truth, instead of burying the issue, it has had an opposite effect.

 

Years later we are still talking about it coming up with theory after theory. Fans are trying to fill in the gaps.

 

I started the OP hoping that more truth would come out and we could put this to rest.

 

But it had the opposite effect fueling even more speculation and much of that is McDermotts fault by not coming clean.

 

The Bills fans deserve to know the truth.

 

My fellow Bills fans alway remember

 

"The harder you try to suppress the truth, the more inevitable it is that it will find a way to come out.” 

 

 

We also know with 100% certainly that the secrecy that you mention stems from him.  

 

 

[Billsfan1972]

1 hour ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

I think we continue to talk and speculate endlessly about 13 seconds is because the truth about all the breakdowns has never been fully revealed. 

 

If McDermott has indeed taken responsibility then why not reveal second by second all the mistakes that happened? Whether by coaching staff or the players ?

 

I'm not saying McD should call a press conference but if asked on a podcast what happened he should tell everything. 

 

"Coach, well what exactly happened during 13 seconds ?"

 

McDermott: "I'm surprised we're still talking about this but let me take full responsibility. The buck stops with me. I'm going to answer every question..."

 

But McD hasn't done that. He's been incredibly secretive about it, perhaps more secretive than the government is about UFOs in Roswell New Mexico.

 

And by suppressing the truth, instead of burying the issue, it has had an opposite effect.

 

Years later we are still talking about it coming up with theory after theory. Fans are trying to fill in the gaps.

 

I started the OP hoping that more truth would come out and we could put this to rest.

 

But it had the opposite effect fueling even more speculation and much of that is McDermotts fault by not coming clean.

 

The Bills fans deserve to know the truth.

 

My fellow Bills fans alway remember

 

"The harder you try to suppress the truth, the more inevitable it is that it will find a way to come out.” 

 

 

 

 

We'll never get an answer, but as a good coach he can fall on the sword and say it was me and I thought the best course was not allowing a Hill return and wanting to protect against a 30 yard reception on first down.

 

I wish I could have a chance to do it again as we would do things differently.

 

Is that so hard?

[Billsatlastin2018]

On 4/1/2024 at 11:52 AM, Buffalo_Stampede said:

They didn’t lose because they kicked it deep. They went 44 yards in 2 plays. If you include the play before 13 seconds the Chiefs gained 108 yards in 3 plays scoring 10 points in like 20 seconds.

We are agreed that McD was catastrophically inept and ill prepared to defend 2 plays,even having his own TOs! He contributed nada!

 

But, you’re missing THE point. Squibb KO kicking reduces the balance of mathematical possibilities by 4-5 seconds to TWO plays! Defending ONE 40-45 yard Pass from Mahomes to be able to kick that FG!

[Buffalo_Stampede]

10 minutes ago, Billsatlastin2018 said:

We are agreed that McD was catastrophically inept and ill prepared to defend 2 plays,even having his own TOs! He contributed nada!

 

But, you’re missing THE point. Squibb KO kicking reduces the balance of mathematical possibilities by 4-5 seconds to TWO plays! Defending ONE 40-45 yard Pass from Mahomes to be able to kick that FG!

If the Chiefs actually return the squib.