Tipster19 Posted March 27 Posted March 27 It was a little surprising for me to see Damien Harris just up and retire like he did but Dobbins would be a great replacement for him. https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/j-k-dobbins-cleared-for-football-activities-will-begin-free-agent-visits-soon 3 1 1 Quote
Doc Brown Posted March 27 Posted March 27 Hard pass and I liked him coming out of the draft because he sounded like a Harry Potter character. I'll let someone else take that chance coming off a torn ACL and a torn Achilles. Maybe the Rams give him $8.5m. We'll find someone through the draft and if that doesn't come to fruition sign someone like Murray like we did last year. I'm holding out hope for Zeke Elliott personally. 1 7 Quote
Not at the table Karlos Posted March 27 Posted March 27 38 minutes ago, Tipster19 said: It was a little surprising for me to see Damien Harris just up and retire like he did but Dobbins would be a great replacement for him. https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/j-k-dobbins-cleared-for-football-activities-will-begin-free-agent-visits-soon No with Dobbins injury history. Also not surprised at all that Harris retired because of his injuries. 2 2 Quote
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 27 Posted March 27 (edited) 2 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Hard pass and I liked him coming out of the draft because he sounded like a Harry Potter character. I'll let someone else take that chance coming off a torn ACL and a torn Achilles. Maybe the Rams give him $8.5m. We'll find someone through the draft and if that doesn't come to fruition sign someone like Murray like we did last year. I'm holding out hope for Zeke Elliott personally. Agreed on Elliott. Every time he's brought up, people say he's toast. He's not. He put up 955 yards last season and wasn't the Starter. In the one game he played bellcow with Stevenson down last season, he put up 140 yards. Is he the same Top 3 RB he was a number of years ago? No. But he still has juice. And as an RB2 in a committee? He's a very good option there. Especially at the price tag. And he's still only 28 years old after all his time in the league. He also plays a very good complimentary style to Cook. I hope he's still around after the Draft. I feel like the plan is to assess the Draft first and if the board doesn't fall the way we want, then we'll call up a veteran FA. We visited with Braelon Allen and Audric Estime. Braelon Allen is the perfect compliment to Cook. But I fear he may go too high. If he's there in the 4th though? I think we'd pull the trigger. But if not, yeah, I want Zeke too. Either Zeke in FA or Braelon Allen in the Draft. That's my hope for RB2. If we don't take one in the Draft and Zeke's gone or not the guy - then I think we're looking at Clyde Edwards-Helaire or Cam Akers. Edited March 27 by BillsFanForever19 4 1 1 Quote
H2o Posted March 27 Posted March 27 Vet minimum to kick the tires and see what he offers in camp? Maybe. I wouldn't expect us to make a move for a RB until after we see how the draft falls though. 2 Quote
BuffaloBillyG Posted March 27 Posted March 27 55 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Agreed on Elliott. Every time he's brought up, people say he's toast. He's not. He put up 955 yards last season and wasn't the Starter. In the one game he played bellcow with Stevenson down last season, he put up 140 yards. Is he the same Top 3 RB he was a number of years ago? No. But he still has juice. And as an RB2 in a committee? He's a very good option there. Especially at the price tag. And he's still only 28 years old after all his time in the league. He also plays a very good complimentary style to Cook. I hope he's still around after the Draft. I feel like the plan is to assess the Draft first and if the board doesn't fall the way we want, then we'll call up a veteran FA. We visited with Braelon Allen and Audric Estime. Braelon Allen is the perfect compliment to Cook. But I fear he may go too high. If he's there in the 4th though? I think we'd pull the trigger. But if not, yeah, I want Zeke too. Either Zeke in FA or Braelon Allen in the Draft. That's my hope for RB2. If we don't take one in the Draft and Zeke's gone or not the guy - then I think we're looking at Clyde Edwards-Helaire or Cam Akers. Zeke averaged a whopping 3.5 yards per carry last year. Down a bit from the 3.8 yards per carry he had the year before. And just over 6 yards per reception. I would say the "Zeke is washed" arguments have some merit to them. 4 4 Quote
Buffalo03 Posted March 27 Posted March 27 And then tear his ACL the first week of the preseason. No thanks 1 Quote
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 27 Posted March 27 (edited) 27 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: Zeke averaged a whopping 3.5 yards per carry last year. Down a bit from the 3.8 yards per carry he had the year before. And just over 6 yards per reception. I would say the "Zeke is washed" arguments have some merit to them. I'd say the Offensive Line he was running behind and the QB and Passing Game, or lack there of, he had to open up the Run game didn't help things. You can point to averages. But considering a.) what's out there and b.) what he was able to put up statistically elsewhere last year as an RB2 - I think he's maybe the top option available. He had one game last season where he was the starter and he basically carried them to victory - https://heavy.com/sports/new-england-patriots/ezekiel-elliott-nfl-cowboys/ Edited March 27 by BillsFanForever19 2 Quote
4merper4mer Posted March 27 Posted March 27 8 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: I'd say the Offensive Line he was running behind and the QB and Passing Game he had to open up the Run game didn't help things. You can point to averages. But considering a.) what's out there and b.) what he was able to put up statistically elsewhere last year as an RB2 - I think he's maybe the top option available. He had one game last season where he was the starter and he basically carried them to victory - https://heavy.com/sports/new-england-patriots/ezekiel-elliott-nfl-cowboys/ He fits our need for RB and he’s a self aggrandizing punk. We are well below average in that category too. This is a two birds one stone scenario. 1 2 Quote
nucci Posted March 27 Posted March 27 58 minutes ago, H2o said: Vet minimum to kick the tires and see what he offers in camp? Maybe. I wouldn't expect us to make a move for a RB until after we see how the draft falls though. team friendly deal, on the cheap , don't overpay.....prove it deaL......right? Quote
BuffaloBillyG Posted March 27 Posted March 27 24 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: I'd say the Offensive Line he was running behind and the QB and Passing Game, or lack there of, he had to open up the Run game didn't help things. You can point to averages. But considering a.) what's out there and b.) what he was able to put up statistically elsewhere last year as an RB2 - I think he's maybe the top option available. He had one game last season where he was the starter and he basically carried them to victory - https://heavy.com/sports/new-england-patriots/ezekiel-elliott-nfl-cowboys/ Yes, he had that game where he was really good as a receiver that helped. But even in the game you mentioned he averages just over 3 yards per carry. I'd point blame to the Patriots OL as well, however he was only slightly worse than the season before with the Cowboys. While you keep pointing out he was the "number 2" and that he didn't start...he still out touched the starter on the season. 235-194 was the final split between Zeke and Stevenson. He wasn't the #2. Is he the best option out there? I hardly think so. He's showed for years those tires are balding out. I also think it's telling that despite Jerry Jones loving him, him loving Dallas and the Cowboys having literally nothing in the RB room Zeke still sits on the open market. 1 Quote
Gregg Posted March 27 Posted March 27 I am guessing Beane takes an RB in the late rounds of the draft. 2 1 Quote
DJB Posted March 27 Posted March 27 Absolutely loved JK when he was coming out of the draft. He was my favourite RB in that class. But his injury history is extremely concerning and there are simply better and more durable options available to us as an RB2 1 Quote
H2o Posted March 27 Posted March 27 31 minutes ago, nucci said: team friendly deal, on the cheap , don't overpay.....prove it deaL......right? Vet minimum, one year, lowwwww gtd $$$. Quote
CaptnCoke11 Posted March 27 Posted March 27 If he takes the minimum contract sure. If not no way Quote
biggerdaddynj Posted March 27 Posted March 27 (edited) Sorry in advance for running on a bit. But I just wanted not throw it out there to see if maybe a few people agree. Dobbins’ ‘20 great 1st year 134 800yds 6ypc 9TDs but tore ACL in ‘21 camp, missed all of 2021 and the first two games of 2022 before returning for eight games (93/520/5.7/2TDs) but then another knee injury sidelined him six weeks. Tore Achilles first game last year (surgeon cleared him 13 hours ago and said he was outstanding puts rep on the line with NFL). Spotrac has Dobbins $2.1M mkt value (probably prove it contract)—Ty is only signing for $1.29M. With Darrynton Evans a “futures contract”, is it possible for us to have an RB2/3 tandem with Dobbins’ (and his super high ceiling) for $3.4M. With Dobbins to getting “outstanding” clearance yesterday from his surgeon what would you think about our medical team checking him out and then rolling the dice for a reasonable amount of money (perhaps less than Latavius last year). We could have had a potentially healed super high ceiling in Dobbins and some good camp competition with Ty. And, if Cooks ever went down a healthy and healed Dobbins could be almost like not missing a beat and then adding in Ty would be very nice. Brady could have a lot of fun. 🥳 Edited March 27 by biggerdaddynj Quote
Logic Posted March 27 Posted March 27 (edited) I think that signing Dobbins on a cheap, heavily incentive-laden contract would be awesome. He's NOT going to command a big salary coming off those two injuries and with almost no notable NFL production to his name. If he'd sign a prove-it deal and come to camp, I'd be all for it. The upside is ENORMOUS, and assuming it was an affordable deal with low to no guarantees, there is really not much downside. Yes, it's possible he's never the same guy he was at Ohio State. It's also possible that he bounces back from injury and you get a real steal for relative peanuts. Like @boyst, I also think CEH would be a great (and less risky, health wise) choice. I can't imagine either guy costing much. Signing former 1st and 2nd round picks who need a fresh start and a change of scenery seems like exactly the type of thing the Bills should be doing at RB2. Edited March 27 by Logic 1 2 Quote
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