Hip drop tackle officially banned

[Steve O]

On 3/25/2024 at 11:34 AM, Scott7975 said:

Great, another way to give a team a free first down on 3rd and forever and win the game for them.

I freakin' hate seeing 3rd and 20, a defensive holding call away from the play, the defense holds, but wait, that's a 5 yard penalty, automatic first down😡

If defensive holding is 5 yards & automatic first down, offensive holding should be 5 yards and automatic 4th down!

And don't even get me started on the late flag in the Bills/Chiefs game where the replay showed the chuck was within 5 yards and before the pass.

Edited March 26 by Steve O
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[Capco]

On 3/25/2024 at 3:02 PM, VaMilBill said:

I don’t understand how a player will tackle someone who they are trying to chase down from behind. 

I've been taken down from behind before without being hip-drop tackled.

And no... it was not a cop.  It was a cornerback lol.  I swear!

[Steve O]

1 minute ago, Capco said:

I've been taken down from behind before without being hip-drop tackled.

And no... it was not a cop.  It was a cornerback lol.  I swear!

Pretty sure cops will still be allowed to use the hip drop tackle without penalty.

[steven50]

15 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

Smaller guys have been tackling bigger guys since forever, they will manage

Yes they have, using leverage and their own body weight to overcome the size disparity. Which is exactly what "hip drop tackle" is.

 

There is a reason at the junior levels of football it is played by kids of equal weight. No one can just grab someone 100 pounds heavier then them that is traveling at 17 or 18 MPH and bring them to the ground. If you cant use balance or your own weight to bring him down your just going to get steamrolled.

 

This is real life not a video game or a superhero movie.

[GoBills808]

Just now, steven50 said:

Yes they have, using leverage and their own body weight to overcome the size disparity. Which is exactly what "hip drop tackle" is.

 

There is a reason at the junior levels of football it is played by kids of equal weight. No one can just grab someone 100 pounds heavier then them that is traveling at 17 or 18 MPH and bring them to the ground. If you cant use balance or your own weight to bring him down your just going to get steamrolled.

 

This is real life not a video game or a superhero movie.

No. You just don't understand the kind of play they're trying to get rid of and I'm tired of trying to explain it 

 

 

[freeagentqb]

Very simple -  You chase a player down from behind then you grab him by the waist and bring him down without throwing your body weight on the back of his legs.

 

So a hip drop tackle is when you grab a player's waist from behind and then swivel your body to put your total body weight on the back of his legs thus trapping his lower leg(s) between your body and the ground.  Leads to serious lower leg injuries.

 

Its very obvious to see and a good rule change.

[steven50]

 I wonder how many times we are going to see this now.

 

This made me think, we are going to see a lot more lowering of the head and shoulders when the big guy realizes the little guy has no chance of straight up taking him down anymore.

Edited March 27 by steven50
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[bmur66]

You must now ask if the player is ready to be tackled.

Edited March 26 by bmur66

[BananaB]

Kind of sick of player safety. They get paid more than ever and the game just getting softer. They know the risks, if they don’t want to play they can go do a 9 to 5. 

Edited March 27 by BananaB

[dgrochester55]

Great, another rule that is up to the "interpretation" of refs.

 

I can't wait for the first prime time Chiefs game where Kelce is stopped short on 4th and long with less than a minute to go only to have a flag come out 30 seconds after the play is over for "illegal hip tackle".

[Buffalo716]

3 hours ago, dgrochester55 said:

Great, another rule that is up to the "interpretation" of refs.

 

I can't wait for the first prime time Chiefs game where Kelce is stopped short on 4th and long with less than a minute to go only to have a flag come out 30 seconds after the play is over for "illegal hip tackle".

It's far from just an interpretation rule

 

The NFL has been reviewing this for a while..  it is literally less than 1% of NFL tackles

 

It does not happen every game

 

It is a choice the defender makes... So it's actually easy to see

 

It's clear and deliberate and since it only happens less than 1% of the time it is clear when it does

 

There should be zero phantom calls with this new rule because it is a deliberate dilapidating tackle that the defender chooses

[BananaB]

8 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

It's far from just an interpretation rule

 

The NFL has been reviewing this for a while..  it is literally less than 1% of NFL tackles

 

It does not happen every game

 

It is a choice the defender makes... So it's actually easy to see

 

It's clear and deliberate and since it only happens less than 1% of the time it is clear when it does

 

There should be zero phantom calls with this new rule because it is a deliberate dilapidating tackle that the defender chooses

I thought horse collar was pretty clear cut but now a days it isn’t. Just more “this is how the refs seen it” rules that will help them manipulate games…. Basically more rules to help the Chiefs win in crucial moments, fans are getting sick of all the other calls that go their way

[Buffalo716]

32 minutes ago, BananaB said:

I thought horse collar was pretty clear cut but now a days it isn’t. Just more “this is how the refs seen it” rules that will help them manipulate games…. Basically more rules to help the Chiefs win in crucial moments, fans are getting sick of all the other calls that go their way

The Chiefs win a few super bowls and people think they're destined to win 10 LOL

 

After Tom Brady got his quick first three he didn't get another for a decade

 

I'd be willing to bet Patrick mahomes isn't winning any more super bowls anytime soon 

 

The Chiefs are played out.. and it's tough to keep motivation

Edited March 27 by Buffalo716

[FireChans]

very fun, very cool

[Buffalo716]

4 minutes ago, FireChans said:

very fun, very cool

This shows why it's not going to have an impact

 

It is.. by all definitions not a standard tackle... When they reviewed it they realized it's less than 1% of tackles

 

It's extremely rare and done with intent.. professionals who have been playing for over a decade choose to tackle this way... It doesn't happen on accident

 

Usually to cause injury..

 

It will not cause five more flags a game... It's definitely going to be a rare flag because it's not a standard tackle

 

It's not like holding which happens every play and they choose when to throw it based on the impact it has... You can go an entire NFL game without seeing a real hip drop tackle

 

 

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

This shows why it's not going to have an impact

 

It is.. by all definitions not a standard tackle... When they reviewed it they realized it's less than 1% of tackles

 

It's extremely rare and done with intent.. professionals who have been playing for over a decade choose to tackle this way... It doesn't happen on accident

 

Usually to cause injury..

 

It will not cause five more flags a game... It's definitely going to be a rare flag because it's not a standard tackle

 

It's not like holding which happens every play and they choose when to throw it based on the impact it has... You can go an entire NFL game without seeing a real hip drop tackle

 

 

They are going to throw the flag incorrectly. Everyone keeps throwing

the “1% of tackles” thing out like the officials have never overcalled certain penalties in the pursuit of player safety. 

 

It is hysterical. 

[Buffalo716]

5 minutes ago, FireChans said:

They are going to throw the flag incorrectly. Everyone keeps throwing

the “1% of tackles” thing out like the officials have never overcalled certain penalties in the pursuit of player safety. 

 

It is hysterical. 

 You can't over call a penalty that happens once every game

 

If they started calling five a game.. the league would go back and review it and change the rule

 

They're not looking to control the game more... This is a real player safety issue where this tackle has almost a 25x injury rate compared to a standard tackle

 

It's a devastating tackle that has been used to injure people on purpose in the game... Because you know it breaks legs and ankles 

Edited March 28 by Buffalo716

[FireChans]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

 You can't over call a penalty that happens once every game

 

If they started calling five a game.. the league would go back and review it and change the rule

 

They're not looking to control the game more... This is a real player safety issue where this tackle has almost a 25x injury rate compared to a standard tackle

 

If you want to take out a star running back legally this is how you used to do it... You roll up and snap their leg

 

They're just trying to take that out

I honestly can’t disagree harder. 
 

They will, almost guaranteed, call a ton of hip drop tackle penalties that are not penalties, they will also call some that are legit. Just like they do for EVERY OTHER SINGLE PENALTY.

 

Arguing the NFL officials will “get it right,” as a fan of the NFL is just absurd. It makes me wonder if you work for the league office. 

[Buffalo716]

9 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I honestly can’t disagree harder. 
 

They will, almost guaranteed, call a ton of hip drop tackle penalties that are not penalties, they will also call some that are legit. Just like they do for EVERY OTHER SINGLE PENALTY.

 

Arguing the NFL officials will “get it right,” as a fan of the NFL is just absurd. It makes me wonder if you work for the league office. 

I certainly don't work for the league office

 

We will see... If they're calling four of these a game and making them weak calls... Then you're right

 

NFL officials do not abuse every single rule in the book... There are so many obscure rules that are never used or barely

 

You may be right but I think this is going to be one of those obscure calls that only gets called occasionally because the stats support it... And since we're in the day of social media it becomes Hot topic

 

If this was 1975 this wouldn't of even been a footnote during the off season... This is no different than making horse collar illegal

 

Of which there was only 15 horse collar calls throughout the entire NFL and all its hundreds of games last year 

 

Certainly not an abused penalty

Edited March 28 by Buffalo716

[FireChans]

19 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I certainly don't work for the league office

 

We will see... If they're calling four of these a game and making them weak calls... Then you're right

 

NFL officials do not abuse every single rule in the book... There are so many obscure rules that are never used or barely

 

You may be right but I think this is going to be one of those obscure calls that only gets called occasionally because the stats support it... And since we're in the day of social media it becomes Hot topic

 

If this was 1975 this wouldn't of even been a footnote during the off season... This is no different than making horse collar illegal

 

Of which there was only 15 horse collar calls throughout the entire NFL and all its hundreds of games last year 

 

Certainly not an abused penalty

the horse collar penalty wasn’t invented last year. 
 

point of emphasis rules and new player safety rules are ALWAYS called a ton when they first come out. You could argue that’s by design because they are trying to drum it out of the game, but it’s true.

 

illegal to hit QB’s below the knees. Called a ton when the penalty was first changed, sometimes penalties were bogus 

 

Illegal to land on QB during sack. Called a ton when the penalty was first changed, sometimes penalties were bogus.

 

Personal fouls on defenseless receiver. Called a ton when the penalty was first changed, sometimes they were bogus.

 

This is really obvious. They are not going to call this 1% of the time and it always be correct. They are going to get it wrong, often. 
 

This is really indisputable. I’m not sure there’s a single person who thinks the refs are going to always be right when they call this penalty, not even the refs probably believe that.