Hip drop tackle officially banned

[Buffalo716]

8 minutes ago, FireChans said:

the horse collar penalty wasn’t invented last year. 
 

point of emphasis rules and new player safety rules are ALWAYS called a ton when they first come out. You could argue that’s by design because they are trying to drum it out of the game, but it’s true.

 

illegal to hit QB’s below the knees. Called a ton when the penalty was first changed, sometimes penalties were bogus 

 

Illegal to land on QB during sack. Called a ton when the penalty was first changed, sometimes penalties were bogus.

 

Personal fouls on defenseless receiver. Called a ton when the penalty was first changed, sometimes they were bogus.

 

This is really obvious. They are not going to call this 1% of the time and it always be correct. They are going to get it wrong, often. 
 

This is really indisputable. I’m not sure there’s a single person who thinks the refs are going to always be right when they call this penalty, not even the refs probably believe that. 

That's an easy fix

 

Don't call it unless it's blatantly obvious... 

 

If you're debating if it's a hip drop tackle it probably is not...

 

Because there is a certain look and devastating element to the tackle

 

The league never said this is a humongous problem that exists during every play or all the time.. they said it is a rare type of tackle that occasionally happens that is very dangerous and they want to penalize it

 

They can't go from 1% of tackles to calling it seven times a game on a penalty.. this is to stop the few players in the league who are dangerous tacklers

 

It doesn't happen every game so they can't call it every game or yes it is out of hand.. nobody is saying you can't tackle a player from behind

Edited March 28 by Buffalo716

[FireChans]

16 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

That's an easy fix

 

Don't call it unless it's blatantly obvious... 

 

If you're debating if it's a hip drop tackle it probably is not...

 

Because there is a certain look and devastating element to the tackle

 

The league never said this is a humongous problem that exists during every play or all the time.. they said it is a rare type of tackle that occasionally happens that is very dangerous and they want to penalize it

 

They can't go from 1% of tackles to calling it seven times a game on a penalty.. this is to stop the few players in the league who are dangerous tacklers

 

It doesn't happen every game so they can't call it every game or yes it is out of hand.. nobody is saying you can't tackle a player from behind

"Don't call it unless it's blatantly obvious... "

This won't happen

 

"They can't go from 1% of tackles to calling it seven times a game on a penalty.. this is to stop the few players in the league who are dangerous tacklers"

 

They don't have to call it 7 times a game. They just have to be wrong a bunch of times calling it.

 

I am not afraid that they are going to miss hip drop tackle calls (they will but that's besides the point.) They are going to call the penalty wrong. This is a fact.

 

They say there were 230 hip drop tackles last year. Assuming coaches start telling guys "hey make sure not to do this," there will probably less of them. Let's say there's 200 of them. There's 272 games in the regular season.

 

So if they batted 1.000 on calling this penalty, they would call it less than once per game. Every 1.36 games. This won't happen, we can all agree.

 

If they called it, but were wrong 30% of the time, and missed valid calls 30% of the time, they would still call it every 1.36 games.  But 30% of those calls would be wrong. That's 69 calls over a 17 game season that are wrong. That's a wrong call every 4 games out of the 272 game season.

 

That's A LOT.

 

It's obvious scenario 2 is much more likely than scenario 1.  It's inarguable, really.

Edited March 28 by FireChans

[BananaB]

7 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

The Chiefs win a few super bowls and people think they're destined to win 10 LOL

 

After Tom Brady got his quick first three he didn't get another for a decade

 

I'd be willing to bet Patrick mahomes isn't winning any more super bowls anytime soon 

 

The Chiefs are played out.. and it's tough to keep motivation

This got nothing to do with Superbowls, it’s got to do with the refs helping them out along the way. 
 

Sick of questionable calls having an impact on games. I use to watch loads of football now I just watch the Bills. I see all the complaints on Twitter about officiating in other games.  Game is soft these days and the refs have too much impact on games. Just how it is. 
 

Edited March 28 by BananaB

[Saxum]

Steelers' Patrick Queen Rips NFL Rule Change

https://www.si.com/nfl/steelers/pittsburgh-steelers-patrick-queen-rips-hip-drop-tackle

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 The Pittsburgh Steelers' newest star inside linebacker isn't happy with a massive rule change that will radically alter how NFL defenders play their games.

The NFL announced this week that the so-called "swivel hip drop tackle" will be banned next season and all Queen, who signed a three-year deal with the Steelers this offseason, sees is a harder life for defenders in a sport that has already made it harder and harder to defend without picking up penalties.

I guess he is worried he is not as valuable to Steelers paid for him.

 

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But Queen is still afraid of what this will do to the game of football as a whole and his sentiment was echoed by a number of different current and former NFL stars like J.J. Watt and others.

 

[Donuts and Doritos]

MetLife & Tottenham Turf still legal. So much for player safety.

 

Edited March 30 by Donuts and Doritos

[90sBills]

On 3/27/2024 at 12:37 PM, Buffalo716 said:

The Chiefs win a few super bowls and people think they're destined to win 10 LOL

 

After Tom Brady got his quick first three he didn't get another for a decade

 

I'd be willing to bet Patrick mahomes isn't winning any more super bowls anytime soon 

 

The Chiefs are played out.. and it's tough to keep motivation

This sounds like a yearly offseason wish. 

[Bill Lewes]

Dont call a penalty, just hammer a fine afterwards

[Saxum]

4 minutes ago, Bill Lewes said:

Dont call a penalty, just hammer a fine afterwards

 

Fines mean very little if they can make a play which knocks a player out of game.

[Bill Lewes]

Fair enough, But if they stop the game for every tackle that might be a hip drop, itll make us all crazy

[Charles Romes]

For those worried the game is getting too soft, the “flying tackle” was originally banned for player safety in 1910 along with the tush push.

 

Harvard Crimson

NO WRITER ATTRIBUTED

September 28, 1910

In order that those interested in football may more fully understand the changes in the rules for 1910, it may be well to review the work of the committee and to state and explain what the changes are, although it is difficult to do so briefly, without the use of many technical terms.

One thing particularly should be clearly understood,--that the underlying purpose of the new rules was to minimize the element of danger in the game. To this purpose the committee adhered throughout all its work, and it should be commended for its single-minded efforts in this direction.

A list of the rules passed for the purpose of ensuring greater safety and an analysis of their probable effect shows how many and drastic the changes are. Moreover the other rules, though made in part for other reasons, should also help in the result sought for.

The changes made primarily to diminish the likelihood of physical injury were, briefly, as follows:

1. The halves are subdivided into four periods of 15 minutes each, so that the prolonged strain of 35 minutes of continuous play will now be removed, and the total time of play is reduced 10 minutes.

2. Players once withdrawn from the game can now be resubstituted, so that there is now no longer the temptation to play a man to the limit of his endurance before he is removed.

3. Flying tackles have been prohibited, in the hope that the heavier shocks of tackling may be prevented.

4. The runner is prohibited from "crawling" after being once downed, so that any "piling up" on the runner may be stopped.

5. The team on the offensive is prohibited from pushing or pulling the man running with the ball, a rule which should practically eliminate heavy mass plays.

[TwistofFate]

On 3/25/2024 at 10:54 AM, Process said:

This is going to be a mess, IMO

 

 

Just another way to rig games to cover spreads. 

 

FN joke. 

[FireChans]