PSL Pricing/Seat Selection Discussion

[Richard Noggin]

1 hour ago, WotAGuy said:

Notice that the discussion has been moved from people earning $22/hr buying PSLs to people making $50k a year buying current season tickets. This is how Einstein operates. 

 

Late to the thread (in recent days/pages) but $22/hr is around $45k/yr...THEREFORE you must be...joking?

[RiotAct]

the economy has never been stronger, ladies and gentlemen.

[Einstein]

2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

The take home pay of someone around $50,000 is roughly $3,300.  $1,100 for a ticket is 1/3 of their monthly take home pay.  

 

The take home pay of $150,000 is $9,400/month.

 

$3,000 per ticket is 1/3 of their monthly take home pay.

 

See a similarity here? Again, this is all on purpose. The Bills (and other teams) calculate these prices for the exact reason i’m showing home.

[WotAGuy]

13 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

Late to the thread (in recent days/pages) but $22/hr is around $45k/yr...THEREFORE you must be...joking?

Read the prior 2-3 pages. But hurry up because we are now up to 150k a year and rising fast. 
 

 

 

Edited April 11 by WotAGuy

[PromoTheRobot]

On 4/9/2024 at 9:32 PM, Kirby Jackson said:

The point being, that the Bills partners have already paid that fee. A brokerage like Ace (for example) owns hundreds of season tickets throughout the state of NY. These are professional organizations with full time staffs. 

 

The Sabres had/have some real broker partners like that. They also have a bunch of people that buy season tickets knowing that they can sell a bunch to cover their cost. They sell the Leafs, Habs and 15-20 more games to cover the entire cost. That’s what they’re trying to stop. It’s the amateurs trying to make a business out of it.

 

The regular Joes who "cracked the code" on how to afford season tickets without dropping thousands they don't have every year. Not to make a profit but to get back enough for next year's tickets. We can't have that, can we.

[PromoTheRobot]

20 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

the economy has never been stronger, ladies and gentlemen.

 

For some folks it's rocking.

[Kirby Jackson]

7 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

The regular Joes who "cracked the code" on how to afford season tickets without dropping thousands they don't have every year. Not to make a profit but to get back enough for next year's tickets. We can't have that, can we.

I think that it is certainly doable for the Bills. You can sell 2, max 3 games, and pay for your season. It’s the Sabres people selling 25 games that they have an issue with. Also, in hockey/basketball/baseball the demand is opponent based. With the Bills the interest and pricing is more Bills based. Yes, KC brings more money than Denver but Denver still has massive demand. Every game before Thanksgiving has big demand. When you sell a Leafs ticket it’s WAY more likely to end up in the hands of a Leafs fan than a Broncos ticket is to end up in the hands of a Broncos fan.

Edited April 11 by Kirby Jackson

[Einstein]

2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I think that it is certainly doable for the Bills. You can sell 2, max 3 games, and pay for your season. 

 

Yep.

 

If it’s a night game, you may only have to sell 2.

[mrags]

3 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

Yep.

 

If it’s a night game, you may only have to sell 2.

Actually the night games don’t necessarily sell that well. Neither do playoff games despite what people may think. Took a loss on the wild card game this year and barely got a little more than market value on the KC game. 

[papazoid]

7 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

The regular Joes who "cracked the code" on how to afford season tickets without dropping thousands they don't have every year. Not to make a profit but to get back enough for next year's tickets. We can't have that, can we.

 

REGULAR JOES vs BROKERS ?

 

for me, there is a big difference between a STH who has 2,4,6,8, 10 tickets originally bought for personal use vs a broker who might be re-selling hundreds.

 

they should be treated differently when it comes to this NY STATE BROKERS LICENCE requirement the Sabres have recently enacted on some of their STH's.

 

the more i dig into this issue, the more i think that may already be the case ??

 

 A license is not needed for selling tickets originally bought for personal use.

https://nyc-business.nyc.gov/nycbusiness/description/ticket-reseller-license#:~:text=Businesses or people that resell tickets need a,for selling tickets originally bought for personal use.

 

A Ticket Reseller is any person, firm or corporation who resells or engages in the business of reselling any tickets to a place of entertainment or who operates an internet website or any other electronic service that provides a mechanism for two or more parties to participate in a resale transaction or that facilitates resale transactions by the means of an auction, or who owns, conducts or maintains any office, branch office, bureau, agency or sub-agency for such business. It is the responsibility of licensees to understand the Ticket Reseller License Law.

https://dos.ny.gov/ticket-reseller

[Just Jack]

5 hours ago, mrags said:

Actually the night games don’t necessarily sell that well. Neither do playoff games despite what people may think. Took a loss on the wild card game this year and barely got a little more than market value on the KC game. 

One of last seasons night games I had listed did not even sell, even though I kept dropping the price till it was just under my cost on game day.  

[Jrb1979]

2 hours ago, papazoid said:

 

REGULAR JOES vs BROKERS ?

 

for me, there is a big difference between a STH who has 2,4,6,8, 10 tickets originally bought for personal use vs a broker who might be re-selling hundreds.

 

they should be treated differently when it comes to this NY STATE BROKERS LICENCE requirement the Sabres have recently enacted on some of their STH's.

 

the more i dig into this issue, the more i think that may already be the case ??

 

 A license is not needed for selling tickets originally bought for personal use.

https://nyc-business.nyc.gov/nycbusiness/description/ticket-reseller-license#:~:text=Businesses or people that resell tickets need a,for selling tickets originally bought for personal use.

 

A Ticket Reseller is any person, firm or corporation who resells or engages in the business of reselling any tickets to a place of entertainment or who operates an internet website or any other electronic service that provides a mechanism for two or more parties to participate in a resale transaction or that facilitates resale transactions by the means of an auction, or who owns, conducts or maintains any office, branch office, bureau, agency or sub-agency for such business. It is the responsibility of licensees to understand the Ticket Reseller License Law.

https://dos.ny.gov/ticket-reseller

Many of you are missing what the law intends to do. It's to crack down on average joes who are STH who sell most their tickets. Nothing to do with profit or keeping it under $5000.  

 

If Terry is going after Sabres STH what makes you think he won't do it after the PSLs are sold. 

[BillsPride12]

52 minutes ago, Just Jack said:

One of last seasons night games I had listed did not even sell, even though I kept dropping the price till it was just under my cost on game day.  

I think the general consensus amongst ticket holders is they are getting sick of the amount of night games we keep getting.  It's just hard to do for people that work morning jobs.  I usually don't get home until 2:30-3:00am from the night games.  It's hard for those of us that are past our prime partying days to to get 2-3 hours of sleep and go into work hungover the next day and it's also hard to use up so much PTO time for the night games as you not only would have to use a day off the following day but your looking at using at least a half day the day of the game to get down to the stadium for tailgating.  Me and my buddy both had a lot of stuff going on last year so neither one of us had extra PTO time to use so we had to sell all 3 Night games.  It was easy selling the Giants game which was the first but it was a real struggle selling the next 2 night games.

[Royale with Cheese]

11 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

The take home pay of $150,000 is $9,400/month.

 

$3,000 per ticket is 1/3 of their monthly take home pay.

 

See a similarity here? Again, this is all on purpose. The Bills (and other teams) calculate these prices for the exact reason i’m showing home.

 

If a person takes home $9,400 a month, with that $3,000 ticket, he still has $6,400 a month to live off of.  

 

A guy that takes home $3,200 a month, that $1,100 hurts him a lot more.  That's only $2,100 leftover.  Mortgage/Rent, groceries, utilities, car payments, general family every day costs....yeah that guy isn't buying $1,100 tickets.  

 

 

12 hours ago, WotAGuy said:

Notice that the discussion has been moved from people earning $22/hr buying PSLs to people making $50k a year buying current season tickets. This is how Einstein operates. 

 

It's pretty ridiculous.  

 

Families making $22.00 an hour aren't buying $1,100 tickets and it doesn't make up the vast majority of the stadium lol.

[teef]

i love you guys.

[papazoid]

2 hours ago, Jrb1979 said:

Many of you are missing what the law intends to do. It's to crack down on average joes who are STH who sell most their tickets. Nothing to do with profit or keeping it under $5000.  

 

If Terry is going after Sabres STH what makes you think he won't do it after the PSLs are sold. 

 

you may be right....but i just provided a link from NYS dept of State saying the opposite. A license is not needed for selling tickets originally bought for personal use.

 

what proof do have, please provide a link.....do you know any sabre STH who is an average joe who was targeted by the sabres  ?

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

27 minutes ago, teef said:

i love you guys.

 

If I told you I look like Michael B Jordan....would you believe me?

[teef]

16 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

If I told you I look like Michael B Jordan....would you believe me?

no.

[Mango]

I was having a conversation with a buddy over a couple of beers about good o'l Ter-Bear and one of us said "well it is his team" regarding all things Pegula Sports. Then it occured to me that with an $850M subsidy, all his sports teams playing in buildings with publicly paid for money, and he gets to barely keep up with his lease agreements. At what point do the teams become at least in some part a public good like the philharmonic, the Adirondack's or SUNY? 

 

I know it is the way the world works. I know it is what every municipality does and this was always coming. It is really driving me crazy at the moment. It is insane to me that that $850M is equal to UB's entire budget, in theory we could have waived tuition for every student at UB for an entire year, and in return we get an owner who took the money and treats the gift like some sort of timeshare grift. 

For reference there is not a single college athletic department in any college sport across the country that charges PSL's.

[BillsPride12]

I just got an email from my Season Ticket Rep on whether I wanted strictly electronic tickets or the Season Ticket Debit Card they offer as an option.  I always elect for the Season Ticket card but there's a caveat this year where if you select that option(first time this is a thing) there is a $15 charge that comes with it.  I mean $15 is whatever but yet again there's a principal involved here where they are continuing to find every way possible to squeeze more money out of the fans.  Guess they still aren't happy enough with all the extra $$$$$ they are making from these PSL's🤣🤣

 

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I am glad my time of being a ticket holder is coming to an end soon