PSL Pricing/Seat Selection Discussion

[Jrb1979]

13 hours ago, mrags said:

Yeah you and some others think they are going to have problems selling the new place out. I believe that not only will they sell it out, theres going to be a multiple year wait list to get tickets 

I'm sure they will sellout the first few seasons as long as they are good. I have my doubts about wait lists and enough PSLs filling the stadium. Yeah that's what is happening now but that's with lower average ticket prices and no PSLs. 

[Einstein]

23 minutes ago, mrags said:

I think your batchit crazy. 
 

again, if the place is sold out and there’s a waiting list. People will be paying pro-rated PSL prices at the very least. 

In 2010, the Jets waiting list was over 10,000 deep.

PSL's sold for $25,000 each at the 50 yard line.

7 years later, those same $25,000 PSL's were for sale for $4,500. That's only 2 years after going 10-6.

Economics is undefeated.

[mrags]

15 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

I'm sure they will sellout the first few seasons as long as they are good. I have my doubts about wait lists and enough PSLs filling the stadium. Yeah that's what is happening now but that's with lower average ticket prices and no PSLs. 

It’s been argued over and over again on here. Let’s just say I don’t agree with your opinion. The place will be sold out for the next 10+ years 

[Einstein]

16 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

I'm sure they will sellout the first few seasons as long as they are good. I have my doubts about wait lists and enough PSLs filling the stadium. Yeah that's what is happening now but that's with lower average ticket prices and no PSLs. 

Yes. And keep in mind "wait lists" is primarily marketing.

Washington boasted of their HUGE wait list for over a decade. Then the Washington Post did an expose that exposed that it was all a sham. 

[Einstein]

1 minute ago, mrags said:

The place will be sold out for the next 10+ years 

This is undoubtably true in my opinion. A 60,000 seat stadium in Buffalo will sell out. 

But that has nothing to do with PSL prices.

[mrags]

19 minutes ago, Einstein said:

In 2010, the Jets waiting list was over 10,000 deep.

PSL's sold for $25,000 each at the 50 yard line.

7 years later, those same $25,000 PSL's were for sale for $4,500. That's only 2 years after going 10-6.

Economics is undefeated.

Ok cool. I don’t agree with your opinion. We’re not the jets. This isn’t 2010 or 2017. 

13 minutes ago, Einstein said:

This is undoubtably true in my opinion. A 60,000 seat stadium in Buffalo will sell out. 

But that has nothing to do with PSL prices.

Got it. Cool

[Buddy Hix]

Allen has 5-7 years left in him, most likely. Those PSLs won’t be worth much a few years from now, imo. Buffalo is a great football area but a middling franchise, and once the unicorn is long in the tooth, I would expect there’s a good chance mediocrity ensues.

[Buffalo716]

19 minutes ago, Buddy Hix said:

Allen has 5-7 years left in him, most likely. Those PSLs won’t be worth much a few years from now, imo. Buffalo is a great football area but a middling franchise, and once the unicorn is long in the tooth, I would expect there’s a good chance mediocrity ensues.

He's 27 lol he's got a lot more than 5 years left

 

He's playing for 10 if he stays healthy.. he's always said he wanted to go down as one of the best

 

He's not retiring when he's still going to be in his prime at 32

[Gregg]

41 minutes ago, Einstein said:

In 2010, the Jets waiting list was over 10,000 deep.

PSL's sold for $25,000 each at the 50 yard line.

7 years later, those same $25,000 PSL's were for sale for $4,500. That's only 2 years after going 10-6.

Economics is undefeated.

 

I mentioned this before, but thousands of Jets/Giants fans dropped their seasons and just purchase individual game tickets. I know a few Giants fans who do this. They still go to every game they just don't sit in the same seats as a season ticket holder does. They love doing it this way as they save so much money not paying the PSL fee.

[Einstein]

28 minutes ago, mrags said:

We’re not the jets.

Agreed. We have a much smaller market.

[Einstein]

4 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

I mentioned this before, but thousands of Jets/Giants fans dropped their seasons and just purchase individual game tickets. I know a few Giants fans who do this. They still go to every game they just don't sit in the same seats as a season ticket holder does. They love doing it this way as they save so much money not paying the PSL fee.

This is exactly right. And it plummeted the PSL market. 

[Gregg]

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

This is exactly right. And it plummeted the PSL market. 

 

This is in a market that has a ton of corporate support being in the NYC area. Same will happen with the Bills. The Bills will see a big decline in season ticket sales but a big increase in selling individual game tickets. The games at the new stadium will still sellout but they won't have as many season ticket holders.

[mrags]

33 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Agreed. We have a much smaller market.

Ok. Cool 

[Kirby Jackson]

20 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

This is in a market that has a ton of corporate support being in the NYC area. Same will happen with the Bills. The Bills will see a big decline in season ticket sales but a big increase in selling individual game tickets. The games at the new stadium will still sellout but they won't have as many season ticket holders.

Lol, this is just wrong. The stadium will be ONLY season tickets as it currently is. Now if you’re saying people will purchase tickets on the SECONDARY market at a higher percentage than they do now, that’s possible. The Bills entire stadium though will be sold with season tickets. 

[mrags]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Lol, this is just wrong. The stadium will be ONLY season tickets as it currently is. Now if you’re saying people will purchase tickets on the SECONDARY market at a higher percentage than they do now, that’s possible. The Bills entire stadium though will be sold with season tickets. 

Ty. Some people still get it

[papazoid]

40 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Lol, this is just wrong. The stadium will be ONLY season tickets as it currently is. Now if you’re saying people will purchase tickets on the SECONDARY market at a higher percentage than they do now, that’s possible. The Bills entire stadium though will be sold with season tickets. 

 

for 2023 there were just under 64,000 season tickets. the capacity is just over 70,000. they deliberately hold back some for individual sale.

 

i dont think the new stadium will be 100% season ticket (i could be wrong)

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/news/updates-on-bills-2024-season-ticket-member-renewals-and-opening-of-bills-stadium-experience

Edited April 5 by papazoid

[DieHardFan]

1 minute ago, papazoid said:

 

for 2023 there were just under 64,000 season tickets. the capacity is just over 70,000. they deliberately hold back some for individual sale.

 

i dont think the new stadium will be 100% season ticket (i could be wrong)

Plus they need to reserve some for visiting teams.

[Einstein]

29 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Lol, this is just wrong. The stadium will be ONLY season tickets as it currently is. Now if you’re saying people will purchase tickets on the SECONDARY market at a higher percentage than they do now, that’s possible. The Bills entire stadium though will be sold with season tickets. 

That's exactly what he is saying. It is what happened in NY.

PSL owners got "stuck" with their PSL's and can't off-load them because they're practically worthless. So they sell the individual tickets online. 

Eventually many PSL owners default on their payments, creating more PSL's on the market (this time sold by the team). But no one wants team bought tickets because they're selling on the resale market for penny's on the dollar.

And then there is the 5k or so holdover individual tickets that the team doesnt sell as seasons.

[LabattBlue]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Lol, this is just wrong. The stadium will be ONLY season tickets as it currently is. Now if you’re saying people will purchase tickets on the SECONDARY market at a higher percentage than they do now, that’s possible. The Bills entire stadium though will be sold with season tickets. 

I don’t remember the exact number, but I am pretty sure that it was reported that something like 5-10k seats would be kept aside for individual game sales. 

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, papazoid said:

 

for 2023 there were just under 64,000 season tickets. the capacity is just over 70,000. they deliberately hold back some for individual sale.

 

i dont think the new stadium will be 100% season ticket (i could be wrong)

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/news/updates-on-bills-2024-season-ticket-member-renewals-and-opening-of-bills-stadium-experience

Certain seats are for internal seats, to leverage sponsorships, etc. Every stadium has that. The Bills have sold as many as season tickets as they’ve elected to make available. That’s the point that I’m making I guess (semantics). That’s what would be considered “only season tickets.” 

 

I don’t remember if they still sell individual games to season ticket holders or the general public? They used to but I don’t remember seeing an email last year. 

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

That's exactly what he is saying. It is what happened in NY.

PSL owners got "stuck" with their PSL's and can't off-load them because they're practically worthless. So they sell the individual tickets online. 

Eventually many PSL owners default on their payments, creating more PSL's on the market (this time sold by the team). But no one wants team bought tickets because they're selling on the resale market for penny's on the dollar.

And then there is the 5k or so holdover individual tickets that the team doesnt sell as seasons.

After all that, we don’t disagree here 🍻