PSL Pricing/Seat Selection Discussion

[WotAGuy]

4 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Of course there is “ inequity”. That shouldn’t be a surprise. Seeing the reality for what it is - reality is not “ coping” or rationalizing or any other psychobabble that you want to throw in there. It’s simply having a brain and seeing things for what they are. The world isn’t perfect. 

Agreed.  I prefer acceptance of reality and planning to deal with reality than whining and complaining and feeling like I’m being persecuted.  
 

I think some people in this thread saw what was coming and are not surprised and are accepting reality.  That doesn’t mean we condone what is happening. 
 

The people being blindsided are those that are reading about 50k PSLs and extrapolating that to the entire stadium - especially STHs in the best 100 level seats that weren’t “club” seats, but now apparently will be. Those people are understandably worried about their ability to continue to be STHs at the same seating arrangement. That will all be revealed shortly. 
 

Then there are those that just want to slap their ***** around trying to garner attention and pretend to be a big boy/girl/other. 🤣

4 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Again, no one that I have seen is really "surprised". We are simply talking about the reality of the situation now that it is officially here (we have the official numbers for some sections).

While we do that, many posters are making it their job to defend, defend, defend the Bills. That's not simply discussing the reality. That's Rationalization with a dash of Stockholm. These posters have a compulsion to defend.

The fact you conflate explanations with defending proves the persecution complex going on here. 

[nucci]

22 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Anyone looking at a PSL as some type of investment opportunity is probably checking out bridges in the Jersey swamplands too. 

I don't think anyone is thinking that

[Jrb1979]

9 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

Agreed.  I prefer acceptance of reality and planning to deal with reality than whining and complaining and feeling like I’m being persecuted.  
 

I think some people in this thread saw what was coming and are not surprised and are accepting reality.  That doesn’t mean we condone what is happening. 
 

The people being blindsided are those that are reading about 50k PSLs and extrapolating that to the entire stadium - especially STHs in the best 100 level seats that weren’t “club” seats, but now apparently will be. Those people are understandably worried about their ability to continue to be STHs at the same seating arrangement. That will all be revealed shortly. 
 

Then there are those that just want to slap their ***** around trying to garner attention and pretend to be a big boy/girl/other. 🤣

The fact you conflate explanations with defending proves the persecution complex going on here. 

Then there are those who think the PSLs are going to drop to $1000 to $2000 a seat at the low end. Face it the plebs will no longer be able to afford to go. 

[GottaRun]

59 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Let them buy them first, and then scoop them up for pennys on the dollar in a few years.

If your only focus is profit and loss then your take is fine.  Some of us want to be there for the first season the stadium is open, and that has value to us. 

 

You don't have unlimited years to live your life, two or three years sitting at home are two or three years you're not watching Bills games live.  If Bills games live are a  persons favorite thing in life why would they skip that for the cost of a few bucks extra every game? (PSL spread out over several years)

[WotAGuy]

3 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

Then there are those who think the PSLs are going to drop to $1000 to $2000 a seat at the low end. Face it the plebs will no longer be able to afford to go. 

Maybe not as STHs, but they will be there.  They find a way to travel all over the country to go to games, they will continue to go to games here too. 

[Boatdrinks]

4 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

Maybe not as STHs, but they will be there.  They find a way to travel all over the country to go to games, they will continue to go to games here too. 

Exactly. The NFL went upscale years ago. Compare a Super Bowl ticket today to the 90’s SB Bills games. It’s in another universe. 

[Einstein]

11 minutes ago, GottaRun said:

If your only focus is profit and loss then your take is fine.  Some of us want to be there for the first season the stadium is open, and that has value to us. 

 

You don't have unlimited years to live your life, two or three years sitting at home are two or three years you're not watching Bills games live.  If Bills games live are a  persons favorite thing in life why would they skip that for the cost of a few bucks extra every game? (PSL spread out over several years)

 

That’s an absolutely fair take to have.

I respect it.

[Einstein]

29 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

 

The fact you conflate explanations with defending proves the persecution complex going on here. 

 

 

Oh, you were “explaining” all this time while you were mocking me with equation talk and memes and images. Now I understand. 

 

Youre not explaining anything. You’re defending to n’th degree and if that means you have to ridicule someone, so be it.

[WotAGuy]

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

 

 

Oh, you were “explaining” all this time while you were mocking me with equation talk and memes and images. Now I understand. 

 

Youre not explaining anything. You’re defending to n’th degree and if that means you have to ridicule someone, so be it.

I’m sorry if I hurt your feelings.  Honestly.
 

You seemed to be rather like Spock in being very logical and dispassionate, except you would throw out a crack about the org chart and condescending statistical nonsense, so I figured you were up for some ribbing.  

If anything I said was hurtful, I apologize. Apparently I took it too far and I’m sorry about that. 
 

I do like you Einstein. You bring a fun element to the board and its posters like you that make this a fun place to waste time. 
 

I appreciate you. 

[Virgil]

With Diggs gone, I think the Bills should trade Josh.  Then the PSL and seat prices have to come down.  Win win

[Einstein]

41 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

I’m sorry if I hurt your feelings.  Honestly.
 

You seemed to be rather like Spock in being very logical and dispassionate, except you would throw out a crack about the org chart and condescending statistical nonsense, so I figured you were up for some ribbing.  

If anything I said was hurtful, I apologize. Apparently I took it too far and I’m sorry about that. 
 

I do like you Einstein. You bring a fun element to the board and its posters like you that make this a fun place to waste time. 
 

I appreciate you. 

 

Thank you. I appreciate that nice post.

 

As for the org chart, I often fail at humor. Things I find funny, most don’t. It’s a flaw of mine.

 

And then sometimes i’ll post or say something that people find hilarious and i’ll spend 20 minutes analyzing it, trying to figure out what I said that was funny. Go figure!

 

For the record I found the image of the equation jumbles you posted quite humorous. I don’t mind ribbing as long as I know that it’s not meant to insult.

Edited April 3 by Einstein

[zevo]

I haven’t gone through this thread but I just heard 14% financing through MT bank. Lmfao

[Kirby Jackson]

2 hours ago, Einstein said:

Again, no one that I have seen is really "surprised". We are simply talking about the reality of the situation now that it is officially here (we have the official numbers for some sections).

While we do that, many posters are making it their job to defend, defend, defend the Bills. That's not simply discussing the reality. That's Rationalization with a dash of Stockholm. These posters have a compulsion to defend.

Your options are “have an NFL team” and “do business as NFL teams do” or “not have an NFL team.” Those are the options. Cursing the system isn’t going to solve this issue. The demand, ratings and revenue that the NFL is getting now makes it more expensive to play. That’s what it IS. No one wants to pay an additional $40k to buy 2 seats that they have now. To some people it is worth it to continue attending Bills games. It’s not up to anyone else to tell someone what to do with their money. This is the system. You either get on board or your team ends up in LA or Vegas. 

2 hours ago, Jrb1979 said:

Then there are those who think the PSLs are going to drop to $1000 to $2000 a seat at the low end. Face it the plebs will no longer be able to afford to go. 

They will. 

[Augie]

2 hours ago, GottaRun said:

If your only focus is profit and loss then your take is fine.  Some of us want to be there for the first season the stadium is open, and that has value to us. 

 

You don't have unlimited years to live your life, two or three years sitting at home are two or three years you're not watching Bills games live.  If Bills games live are a  persons favorite thing in life why would they skip that for the cost of a few bucks extra every game? (PSL spread out over several years)

 

Exactly! It’s YOUR life, and it’s YOUR money.  Use it as you wish, and be thankful that things like this don’t get you worked up enough that you keep telling other people how awful it is. Yes, it’s more. Decide and move on. 

[WotAGuy]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

Thank you. I appreciate that nice post.

 

As for the org chart, I often fail at humor. Things I find funny, most don’t. It’s a flaw of mine.

 

And then sometimes i’ll post or say something that people find hilarious and i’ll spend 20 minutes analyzing it, trying to figure out what I said that was funny. Go figure!

 

For the record I found the image of the equation jumbles you posted quite humorous. I don’t mind ribbing as long as I know that it’s not meant to insult.

 

I gotta tell you, I had to show my wife the org chart comment because it really was hilarious. Well done. 
 

And you will forever be in TSW lore for posting your tax return.  
 

That was retatta-level genius. 

[PBF81]

3 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

Anyone looking at a PSL as some type of investment opportunity is probably checking out bridges in the Jersey swamplands too. 

 

Especially if they're looking at that like that while the market is high.  

 

It's understandable that they'll sell out while Allen's here, but for drought era performance it's questionable.  

 

The whole Diggs thing likely hasn't helped either.  Not saying it's hurt, but thinking that it's helped isn't wise.  

 

 

[reddogblitz]

8 hours ago, Jrb1979 said:

As much as I don't agree with what they are doing, I do hope that by doing this it forces change to what goes on during tailgating. I hope it ends the drunkenness, the table slamming and condiment guys. It becomes more of a corporate feel and less a college feel to it. It's why I wanted a stadium downtown. It would have made tailgating much smaller and guaranteed the end of the those things 

 

That's A big part of this.  Price out the riff raff.  And Get a higher cla$$ of fans.  

[Albanybillsbacker]

2 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

That's A big part of this.  Price out the riff raff.  And Get a higher cla$$ of fans.  

Yeah, rich people don't drink and get rowdy. 

 

[npeartisgod]

Why are folks acting like pub financing is new or unique? 
 

2004: In April, the Cowboys announced plans to build a $650 million stadium at Fair Park in Dallas. The deal required $425 million in public financing from a 3% hotel-occupancy tax and a 6% car-rental tax.

[reddogblitz]

Well, the wife and I, after she attended a call with the Bills ticket rep yesterday, have decided to pass.

 

She has been a season ticket holder since 1987.  When they remodeled her seats went away so she upgraded to club seats in 1999. she moved to Dallas which is where I met her and why I have been a Bills fan since 1996. She kept her tickets and we would fly in for a couple of games a year. She sold (took a bath during the drought) the others.  When they were raising money by selling Engraved paver stones at The Ralph located by the Bills store we bought one in honor of our son who was a huge Bills fan who is no longer with us.

 

We could certainly afford it but it just feels like we've been super loyal to the Bills For 37 years.  Now they are telling us to bend over and drop our wallet or go away.   Loyalty is a 2 way street.

 

We decided to paint our house and put in central AC and still have money left over to some games on the resale market.

 

We will go to as many games the next 2 years as we can. Then we'll watch 'em on TV and try to go to one every year.

 

I know it's all bidness and this is how the NFL works blah blah blah, but it's still gross for a person who has been a loyal fan and put their money where their mouth is for so long mostly with poor results.

 

And the BS of PSL as an investment. Give me A break. The ticket rep who used to work for the Cowboys told her some of the ones in Dallas go for $250,000.  Oh OK LOL.

 

Terry is 188th richest American and the 12th highest net worth of NFL owners.  Surely there is some other way he could raise the cash.

 

NFL and Terry, please don't tell us you love the fans.

 

It's like I heard Steve Young say a few years ago, when you have a product with a non elastic demand, you can do whatever you want. 

 

 

Edited April 4 by reddogblitz