DieHardFan Posted March 27 Posted March 27 On 3/26/2024 at 12:26 PM, nucci said: Purchasing a football ticket and a car is not a good comparison. Right, more like buying a trailer or a time share. Quote
OutOfBubbleGum Posted March 27 Posted March 27 Glad I didn't put a non refundable deposit on tickets that the PSL and ticket prices were unknown at the time. It's sad but I guess my days of going to at least one game a year are over. This game is only for the ultra rich now. But hey, the stadium won't sell out and the Pegulas will have reason to move their team (because it isn't ours anymore) anywhere they feel free too. Ridiculous! 1 1 Quote
mrags Posted March 27 Posted March 27 4 minutes ago, DieHardFan said: Right, more like buying a trailer or a time share. Great. Now we’re back to the timeshare discussion 1 Quote
ddaryl Posted March 27 Posted March 27 31 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: So what’s the solution? The Bills are a business. Should they not get what the market will support? Should there be a designated number of “rent controlled” seats like NY apartments? If so, what’s the number? What’s the appropriate way to handle the situation other than pricing the stadium to have supply and demand intersect? its up to the fans... All I said is I will not... 9 minutes ago, OutOfBubbleGum said: Glad I didn't put a non refundable deposit on tickets that the PSL and ticket prices were unknown at the time. It's sad but I guess my days of going to at least one game a year are over. This game is only for the ultra rich now. But hey, the stadium won't sell out and the Pegulas will have reason to move their team (because it isn't ours anymore) anywhere they feel free too. Ridiculous! They are locked in for 20+ years because of the agreement for the new stadium 1 Quote
DCofNC Posted March 27 Posted March 27 39 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: So what’s the solution? The Bills are a business. Should they not get what the market will support? Should there be a designated number of “rent controlled” seats like NY apartments? If so, what’s the number? What’s the appropriate way to handle the situation other than pricing the stadium to have supply and demand intersect? Why not just up the charge for season tickets? Instead of saying a seat costs $200, charge $400? This is really what’s happening. My theory, it locks people in more mentally this way AND it recovers the money quicker, plus when people lose money selling the tickets they can kind of mentally justify that it was a long term investment vs losing their ass on meaningless games on Dec. when nobody wants to go sit and freeze. To me, these charges are insaneLu high, but I guess they will take what they can. Quote
papazoid Posted March 27 Posted March 27 (edited) how about a real estate analogy (i'm sure this has already been made) price of the home = PSL one time fee (price varies per location) all the taxes = price of the yearly ticket (price varies per location) if you dont pay your yearly taxes, you may lose the house to foreclosure before you sell it squatter = someone is sitting in your seat....lol Edited March 27 by papazoid Quote
Kirby Jackson Posted March 27 Posted March 27 8 minutes ago, ddaryl said: its up to the fans... All I said is I will not... I was responding to the part that said, “I don’t think that long term fans should be priced out of the best locations.” The “people can choose to pay what they want” is an easy topic. The part that I’m struggling with is a solution for the fans that have had the best locations for 50+ years. Why should they be excluded from the market value? 8 minutes ago, DCofNC said: Why not just up the charge for season tickets? Instead of saying a seat costs $200, charge $400? This is really what’s happening. My theory, it locks people in more mentally this way AND it recovers the money quicker, plus when people lose money selling the tickets they can kind of mentally justify that it was a long term investment vs losing their ass on meaningless games on Dec. when nobody wants to go sit and freeze. To me, these charges are insaneLu high, but I guess they will take what they can. It’s because of the way that revenue is shared in the NFL. 1 Quote
WotAGuy Posted March 27 Posted March 27 (edited) 8 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: I don’t think it’ll be a “mass migration” but we will see some attrition. The only mass migration will be he people that were in the lower level between the 30’s. Those were the most underpriced seats in all of pro sports. Those people will move away from midfield or up. The people that we are hearing from now are the most vocal. I’d be curious to know what percentage of the people that have gone so far have declined. We know that some have been vocal but how many have declined? There are also people out there that aren’t current ticket holders because they couldn’t get a desirable enough location. We will see some of these people entering at the $50k PSL. It isn’t an enormous universe but when you look at the whole region (Toronto, Rochester, etc..) that will offset some of those people lowering their spend. I should be coming up soon (got the call the other day). It sounds like my PSL will be higher than I originally anticipated (at least I think). I was anticipating like $12k a seat ($15k on the high end). I think that it’ll now be $20k a seat. That’s annoying but I’m not likely to bail over it. The way that I’m looking at it, is an extra $20k (after finance fees over 10 years). It’s $2k more a year than I hoped. That sucks but I blow money on stuff that I care WAY less about than the Bills all of the time. $20k loan for 10 years at 10% interest is 11k in interest. So a 20k PSL will cost 31k. Ouch. Edited March 27 by WotAGuy 1 1 Quote
PBF81 Posted March 27 Posted March 27 38 minutes ago, ddaryl said: They are locked in for 20+ years because of the agreement for the new stadium That's a narrative that isn't really true. Let's start by asking, what happens should Pegula decide to move the team at any point once the stadium is up? Most people don't seem to understand that this supposed agreement really doesn't have very large teeth. Anyway, what happens, what's the "penalty" if they move? Let's start there and walk through why it's nonsense. 1 Quote
WotAGuy Posted March 27 Posted March 27 Any info leaking about the cost for the Takeo Spikes-level club seats? 5 Quote
WotAGuy Posted March 27 Posted March 27 (edited) 2 hours ago, plenzmd1 said: 2 hours ago, plenzmd1 said: EVEN SMOKING HOT 26YEAR OLD BARTENDERS AND SERVERS BRINGING DRINKS TO YOUR SEATS ! My wife wants to know if the smoking hot bartenders and servers are male or female. Might affect “our” decision to buy. Edited March 27 by WotAGuy 1 Quote
QCity Posted March 27 Posted March 27 2 hours ago, plenzmd1 said: as mentioned over and over , 20k is for CLUB SEATS ,MIDFIELD , HEATER, GREAT FOOD , SPECIAL ENTRANCE , BETTER POTTIES ,BAR TABS , HIGH END BOOZE PROLLY EVEN SMOKING HOT 26YEAR OLD BARTENDERS AND SERVERS BRINGING DRINKS TO YOUR SEATS ! So many aren't understanding this, and it's certainly the fault of the Bills. There's too much misinformation going around and it's getting people fired up. I have two friends that were in a panic and both thought their upper deck STs are going to carry a crazy PSL because they saw that Lombardo clip on the news. The Bills should really make a statement that PSLs aren't finalized for 80% of the stadium yet or something to that effect (or just release the pricing). 1 Quote
RiotAct Posted March 27 Posted March 27 1 hour ago, WotAGuy said: My wife wants to know if the smoking hot bartenders and servers are male or female. Might affect “our” decision to buy. I have it on good authority that they’re all male. 1 1 Quote
plenzmd1 Posted March 27 Posted March 27 1 hour ago, WotAGuy said: My wife wants to know if the smoking hot bartenders and servers are male or female. Might affect “our” decision to buy. For your wife? I will personally bartend for her. 61 one year old, fat, balding, broken down Bills fan. I can even wear extra clothes for her! 4 Quote
Augie Posted March 27 Posted March 27 19 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: For your wife? I will personally bartend for her. 61 one year old, fat, balding, broken down Bills fan. I can even wear extra clothes for her! Ohh, you flatter yourself! 😂 1 1 Quote
mrags Posted March 27 Posted March 27 2 hours ago, WotAGuy said: $20 loan for 10 years at 10% interest is 11k in interest. So a 20k PSL will cost 31k. Ouch. Quote
loyal2dagame Posted March 27 Posted March 27 I'm curious as to how many people talking about PSLs have or ever had season tickets compared to people that buy single game tickets again compared to those who don't ever attend and watch on TV. Just wondering.... And that's not meant to be a shot at anyone, just trying to see the perspectives from each group. 1 Quote
mrags Posted March 28 Posted March 28 22 minutes ago, loyal2dagame said: I'm curious as to how many people talking about PSLs have or ever had season tickets compared to people that buy single game tickets again compared to those who don't ever attend and watch on TV. Just wondering.... And that's not meant to be a shot at anyone, just trying to see the perspectives from each group. I’d bet money that many of the people that are complaining don’t even have season tix and buy in secondary markets. 1 3 1 1 Quote
Tenhigh Posted March 28 Posted March 28 6 hours ago, BarleyNY said: To add onto the fine answer from @Mr Info you won’t be able to sell a PSL back to the Bills. They will reacquire and resell PSLs that are defaulted on, but they won’t be buying them back from holders. That seems wild that they won't buy them back from you. I guess if you sell in a good year you can get your money back... Quote
RiotAct Posted March 28 Posted March 28 1 hour ago, Tenhigh said: That seems wild that they won't buy them back from you. I guess if you sell in a good year you can get your money back... does it, though? Quote
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