PSL Pricing/Seat Selection Discussion

[davefan66]

1 hour ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

Wow !! 

 

Ok for 4 seats, I'm assuming Bills fans will want to take 1 wife, 1 son and 1 daughter to games 

 

So that is 10K in psl's. 2500 x 4

 

200 per month for 1 psl so 800 a month for 4 PSLs and 4k down on the spot for the 20 month option

 

Then to sit your but down in the seat it will be 1700 a month for 1 season ticket or 6800 for 4 season tickets.

 

So 16,800 to have a family of 4 sit to watch Bills games 

 

All of this for a stadium that is not a dome

 

I didnt realize Bills fans were so wealthy 

My intention was to share what my seats cost.  And I only have TWO seats. I guess you’d really have an issue with fans who have spent 5k or 8k for seats. My friend spent 8k a seat…for 10 seats and paying it off in 20 months because she set aside money for this.

 

I had no intention to “show off” what I’m spending.  Worked EXTREMELY hard to get where I am in life. Not going to excuse that in any way.  
 

Funny thing is, these are the cheapest seats in the house so far…

 

Oh…it’s only $200 for BOTH PSL’s a month.  5k for both seats…1K down and owe 4k. $200 x 20 months is…and I swear, I’ve checked this twice…is $4k.

 

Pretty sure your math ain’t mathing.

 

 

Edited Friday at 11:00 PM by davefan66

[billsfanmiamioh]

15 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

 

It’s frustrating when posters give answers but don’t actually read what the other person says. I think it is because many of you want to rush to answer instead of stop to understand. I have said multiple times that I don’t doubt the overhang covers the upper deck. My double is that this = over 60% of seats.
 

The seats under the overhang aren’t the only “covered” seats that went into the 60% number. A number of the other covered seats are lower level or club level “covered” by the level above.
 

My new seats will be closer to the top of the section (currently row 109, sec 27 but will be row 31 in mew stadium) and we will be mostly covered by the upper deck canopy. During my sales pitch, I got to do the virtual tour and was able to “look” straight up. I think we’ll end up being much more comfortable in bad weather games in the new stadium. Haters gonna hate 

Edited Saturday at 04:27 AM by billsfanmiamioh

[Jester]

Does anyone know the transfer policy for the PSL? Can it be transferred to a friend (not just family?) And how long do you have to keep the PSL before it can be transferred? 
 

[Vertig0]

29 minutes ago, Jester said:

Does anyone know the transfer policy for the PSL? Can it be transferred to a friend (not just family?) And how long do you have to keep the PSL before it can be transferred? 
 

 

The agreement that you sign specifically references permitted transfers to "grandparent, parent, spouse (including to an ex-spouse in connection with a divorce), registered domestic partner (including an ex-partner in connection with a divorce, sibling, child, stepchild, grandchild or great grandchild of such Licensee..."

 

It also states that you can transfer for issues beyond your control such as "death or disability or similar event as determined by the PSL Agent in its sole discretion..."

 

Except for those permitted transfers stated in the agreement (there are other permitted transfers listed, but they are Entity to Entity transfers) "Licensee may not assign, sell, sublicense, pledge, mortgage, or otherwise transfer any PSL without prior written consent of the PSL Agent" (at their sole discretion). 

 

Sooo - when discussing these terms with my rep, yes - the PSL can be transferred to people other than family, but the process would have to be reviewed and approved by the PSL Agency. Another section states, in short, that anyone who is receiving the PSL "must have never been barred from entering, or removed from, the Stadium or any other stadium, ballpark, arena, or similar venue."

 

Not entirely sure regarding the timeframe.  I would imagine, it can likely be at any time, as long as approval is received from the PSL Agent - but that's just an assumption on my part. 

 

Hope this helps. 

[weingarm]

They connected the canopy at the outside edge and put up the final canopy truss yesterday 3/28/25.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhcdsuGsMOA

[PromoTheRobot]

 I knew PSLs were in the Bills future and I stashed money to save up for them. $2500 is the ballpark of what I expected. But my larger concern in the cost of the tickets.  Will I be paying a thousand more each year for those?

 

Edited Saturday at 05:18 PM by PromoTheRobot

[RiotAct]

5 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 I knew PSLs were in the Bills future and I stashed money to save up for them. $2500 is the ballpark of what I expected. But my larger concern in the cost of the tickets.  Will I be paying a thousand more each year for those?

 

nah, probably $100 - $150 more per season or so I’d think (per seat)

[Kirby Jackson]

5 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 I knew PSLs were in the Bills future and I stashed money to save up for them. $2500 is the ballpark of what I expected. But my larger concern in the cost of the tickets.  Will I be paying a thousand more each year for those?

 

I don’t know what you pay now but mine are roughly double I think. I also upgraded locations. Maybe plan on like a 50% increase? They’ve been giving out increases to start to prepare everyone so that it shouldn’t be a huge increase. Hopefully like 20%.

Edited Saturday at 11:05 PM by Kirby Jackson

[MasterStrategist]

On 3/28/2025 at 5:26 PM, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

Wow !! 

 

Ok for 4 seats, I'm assuming Bills fans will want to take 1 wife, 1 son and 1 daughter to games 

 

So that is 10K in psl's. 2500 x 4

 

200 per month for 1 psl so 800 a month for 4 PSLs and 4k down on the spot for the 20 month option

 

Then to sit your but down in the seat it will be 1700 a month for 1 season ticket or 6800 for 4 season tickets.

 

So 16,800 to have a family of 4 sit to watch Bills games 

 

All of this for a stadium that is not a dome

 

I didnt realize Bills fans were so wealthy 

$2.5k for a PSL is dirt cheap in today's NFL atmosphere.

 

My seasons only going to increase by 18%.  In lower bowl, 2 rows from field.

 

I'd say pricing is about as fair as you can get.

 

And yes, if you're complaining about costs without buying Season Tix, then you're just being annoying.  If you can't afford them, don't buy them.

 

PSLs are re sellable as well.  It's an investment for most folks, to either pass down generations in their family OR make the most of selling off a couple games here or there.

 

Throw your math out the window.  If that same family sells 2 games a season for $100 profit per ticket, that's 4×2×$100 (and $100 is probably low profit for a new stadium)= $800.  Sell 4 games for next 5 seasons and that recoups 8k of 10k PSL, while having ability to sell PSL in a future season.   Again, an investment but even people who aren't "wealthy" can easily work this out financially.

[That's No Moon]

10 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

$2.5k for a PSL is dirt cheap in today's NFL atmosphere.

 

My seasons only going to increase by 18%.  In lower bowl, 2 rows from field.

 

I'd say pricing is about as fair as you can get.

 

And yes, if you're complaining about costs without buying Season Tix, then you're just being annoying.  If you can't afford them, don't buy them.

 

PSLs are re sellable as well.  It's an investment for most folks, to either pass down generations in their family OR make the most of selling off a couple games here or there.

 

Throw your math out the window.  If that same family sells 2 games a season for $100 profit per ticket, that's 4×2×$100 (and $100 is probably low profit for a new stadium)= $800.  Sell 4 games for next 5 seasons and that recoups 8k of 10k PSL, while having ability to sell PSL in a future season.   Again, an investment but even people who aren't "wealthy" can easily work this out financially.

If any actual investment advisor tells you this is an "investment" fire them immediately. If any of you believe this is an investment opportunity DM me because I have some amazing opportunities for you.

[DrPJax]

On 3/28/2025 at 6:34 PM, davefan66 said:

My intention was to share what my seats cost.  And I only have TWO seats. I guess you’d really have an issue with fans who have spent 5k or 8k for seats. My friend spent 8k a seat…for 10 seats and paying it off in 20 months because she set aside money for this.

 

I had no intention to “show off” what I’m spending.  Worked EXTREMELY hard to get where I am in life. Not going to excuse that in any way.  
 

Funny thing is, these are the cheapest seats in the house so far…

 

Oh…it’s only $200 for BOTH PSL’s a month.  5k for both seats…1K down and owe 4k. $200 x 20 months is…and I swear, I’ve checked this twice…is $4k.

 

Pretty sure your math ain’t mathing.

 

 

Happy for you in all honesty. You had to work hard , and everyone deserves a hobby they are passionate about.  Congrats. I did that when jax came into the league, I wanted to support the community , team, and the main original  financial group , before Wayne weaver came in with the very deep pockets.  They were a. Group  of cardiologists who I rented space just below them in their office building as I got my first practice going there. Had to show political good will, which really wasn’t optional in the good ol boy med network in the south.   In Ohio , I had never ran into that type of thing where certain groups of docs controlled your privileges to do things in hospitals even with proven credentials to do certain procedures. . But glad I did it for a long time. 
 

Finally tho the cons outweighed the pros.  The jags were good under weaver, Coughlin, Brunel, Fred Taylor , boselli , great wr groups , hardy was a great lb. They were just good and unfortunately , good enough to end Kelly’s run and the bills home playoff win streak in the 90’s .  I had club seats , 32 yard line , 8 th row behind the visitors bench. It was club seats so great food and drinks were always there.  But it was on side of field where there was no shade for most 1 pm starts and that also interfered with me watching the bills play live via satellite tv ( no direct tv or Sunday ticket then).  Eventually the talent grew old and my last year of owning the two club seats was 1999 , when bills lost in music city miracle and had they won , they would have been here playing the jags instead of me enduring watching the titans run all over the jags.  It was my last year owning the club seats and wades last year as well !  lol! 
 

The seats were expensive for the time and because of my work schedule , I gave Half the game tickets away.  Also , those club seats and psl’s don’t usually include gas , parking , food , beverages.  Even having access as east club member , you still had to pay full price for food ( buffets were nicer than other parts of stadium food but priced more as well.  Drinks were also overpriced and merch was just higher end, more expensive stuff.  Let’s face it, you only need so much team merch, I mean you have to wear other clothes to work , right?  And places like fanatics were cheaper than buying stuff at the stadium where they hope impulse buying occurs). In addition , I was surprised at how Many red necks Jax really has and even in the club seats , there were lots of overly obnoxious ( a guy next to me would always be intoxicated to the point of being arrested several times for fighting ,  probably a hard working , but hard drinking guy , who was ok sober , but also was missing his two front teeth from fighting or poor hygiene) .  I’m ok either way cheering but yelling f you and you suck to the visiting team for the entire game got old.  So the talent was aging, fan base could be out of control, you literally could get heat exhaustion in the sun early in the season , and you  still had to pay for all amenities. It was becoming a bad financial deal. 
 

I did love it in the beginning , but at heart I was a bills fan , causual jag fan , and the cost and cons began too change things. Also direct tv was invented along w Sunday ticket and watching all games from my living room just made more sense.  If I was young tho and the team was in its prime , and there was great tailgating like in Buffalo , I would go for it.  It’s once in a lifetime opportunity.  Earning money is great but what good is it if you can’t enjoy what comes along with all that hard work that allows you to enjoy life.  Never let anyone make you feel guilty over getting seats. You are creating memories that will sustain you when you get as old as I am at 67.  I remember every moment and it was fantastic. Plus I wasn’t married and and the seats were a nice draw for some great dates!    Do it now while we have ALLEN.  Eventually things will flip back when we are the old drought bills once again.  I hope not but it just seems likely. This is a historic time in BILLS HISTORY, EMBRACE IT as much as possible. 
 

CONGRATS on working successfully to be able to enjoy this time in bills football.  The 90’s were my hey day and I loved every game. That’s the stuff money is for, right, that’s “ why you lift all those weights” , or do all that lonely studying to assure your success! I would just watch the product on the field , make sure they keep putting a good product out there , and then watch those other costs they don’t talk about like travel , food, alcohol , merch , etc.     PSL  costs are the big thing but there are lots of incidentals I didn’t take into account until after 10 years of owning club seats , two of them , while being a single guy.  I really hope you enjoy the experience and the BILLS DO FINALLY WIN ONE CUZ  THATS PRICELESS!   Go BILLS!  ( ps: sorry about all prior typo , punctuation errors.  I use an iPad and unfortunately it’s prone to errors no matter how careful I try to type.   If I post prior to going back and editing , sometimes it’s just been typed as jibberish .   The iPad puts in things it supposedly predicts and is corrected.   It just doesn’t work well.  Guess I Need to start using grok or chat gpt!  Sorry for prior errors). 

Edited Sunday at 12:55 AM by DrPJax

[RiotAct]

39 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

$2.5k for a PSL is dirt cheap in today's NFL atmosphere.

 

My seasons only going to increase by 18%.  In lower bowl, 2 rows from field.

 

I'd say pricing is about as fair as you can get.

 

And yes, if you're complaining about costs without buying Season Tix, then you're just being annoying.  If you can't afford them, don't buy them.

 

PSLs are re sellable as well.  It's an investment for most folks, to either pass down generations in their family OR make the most of selling off a couple games here or there.

 

Throw your math out the window.  If that same family sells 2 games a season for $100 profit per ticket, that's 4×2×$100 (and $100 is probably low profit for a new stadium)= $800.  Sell 4 games for next 5 seasons and that recoups 8k of 10k PSL, while having ability to sell PSL in a future season.   Again, an investment but even people who aren't "wealthy" can easily work this out financially.

This math only really maths while the Bills are still good.

[MasterStrategist]

1 hour ago, RiotAct said:

This math only really maths while the Bills are still good.

Which should hit that 5 yr mark I discussed, right?  At a minimum.  Again, it's not all about $... I was simply saying in the next 5 years you could easily recoup most of the PSL expense...With Josh for next 5, I'm not concerned with the math lol.

1 hour ago, That's No Moon said:

If any actual investment advisor tells you this is an "investment" fire them immediately. If any of you believe this is an investment opportunity DM me because I have some amazing opportunities for you.

An investment not from a $ perspective and you know that.

 

An investment from you're not buying into a Season ticket holder, with a PSL, for a short term benefit.

 

Most are thinking of buying these with the intention of keeping tickets for a while---hence my comment.

 

At least I'm not buying tickets to "make $", I was simply stating it's possible to go enjoy half or over half the games and not be financially impacted from the PSL.

[PromoTheRobot]

3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I don’t know what you pay now but mine are roughly double I think. I also upgraded locations. Maybe plan on like a 50% increase? They’ve been giving out increases to start to prepare everyone so that it shouldn’t be a huge increase. Hopefully like 20%.

 

Sec 203 is $85 now.

[Chicharito]

I went from section 108 row 30 to section 148 row 30 endzone new stadium .my season ticket is actually going down 200 per seat.

[Kirby Jackson]

41 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Sec 203 is $85 now.

Just spitballing here but maybe they go to $125 each? I have no idea but that would be $400 per ticket more for the year. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[That's No Moon]

1 hour ago, MasterStrategist said:

Which should hit that 5 yr mark I discussed, right?  At a minimum.  Again, it's not all about $... I was simply saying in the next 5 years you could easily recoup most of the PSL expense...With Josh for next 5, I'm not concerned with the math lol.

An investment not from a $ perspective and you know that.

 

An investment from you're not buying into a Season ticket holder, with a PSL, for a short term benefit.

This isn't an investment then. It's a purchase. Those are different things and we shouldn't conflate those words. I'm glad you understand the difference but there are people who buy things like timeshares every day who don't.

[jayg]

On 3/28/2025 at 2:50 PM, Mike in Horseheads said:

What if the partial roof leaks?

Or the wind confusion gets confused... or just wind

[That's No Moon]

49 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Just spitballing here but maybe they go to $125 each? I have no idea but that would be $400 per ticket more for the year. 🤷🏻‍♂️

How long are your tickets prices good for? Lord Terrance's hockey team has been a disaster for a very long time but they've been very punctual with their ticket price increases. You'd be pretty foolish not to expect a similar trajectory or worse with a product that people actually want.

On 3/28/2025 at 2:50 PM, Mike in Horseheads said:

What if the partial roof leaks?

Don't think of it as a leak, think of it as being blessed by the Lord's urine that Lord Terrance has graciously directed towards you. Expect to pay a premium for that.

[Kirby Jackson]

2 hours ago, That's No Moon said:

How long are your tickets prices good for? Lord Terrance's hockey team has been a disaster for a very long time but they've been very punctual with their ticket price increases. You'd be pretty foolish not to expect a similar trajectory or worse with a product that people actually want.

The PSL lasts 30 years. I haven’t read through my contract so I don’t know if it caps price increases within there? Either way, that’s what I like to do. I’m about a year in on my PSL payments. It does suck because I have that monthly payment along with the monthly payment for the tickets this year. It’s a lot for my 2 seats but knew that going in. By the time the stadium opens, it’ll go back to just the ticket payment price because the PSL will be paid off by then.