PSL Pricing/Seat Selection Discussion

[K-9]

5 hours ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

the PSL's were part of the business plan everyone knew that, they are not a way cover Pegula's overages smh

I think the selling minority stakes in the team will defray any cost overruns for the new stadium. 

[Billsatlastin2018]

The other thing too is to have knowledge of your existing status based on your seniority years and where they want to shove you. I was once a Bills Season Tix holder (331 if memory serves me), but also a lower 1st base pair for the Toronto Blue Jays.

 

The Sky Dome was completed mid Season in 1989 and little Season Tix holder me, expected a good seat. But the Jays tried one on, by offering me tix in the 5th level. 
 

I could count. 🙄

 

And I knew from what they had provided to the public in terms of allocation and availability that they were attempting to stiff me- thinking I wouldn’t know.

 

I immediately wrote the Director of Operations (the long time guy I had been sending Season Tix applications to), pointing out the availability v.s. my seniority position.

 

Yes, I was re-offered tix behind first base, lower level.

 

Don’t know if that happened here, but something to ponder.

[Chicharito]

I have my stadium experience meeting this morning. I don’t have high hopes in terms of them being able to sell me but we will see.

[SectionC3]

Get ready for 6k and 2300-ish. 

[Bills fan since 87]

I am hoping to maintain my single season ticket in the new stadium, I prefer to sit up high, currently in row 28 of 339.  Any guess as to what a PSL might be for a comparable seat?  I am thinking 1,500, but have no idea really as I am having a hard time getting in contact with the rep assigned to me for the stadium transition.

[TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th]

1 hour ago, Chicharito said:

I have my stadium experience meeting this morning. I don’t have high hopes in terms of them being able to sell me but we will see.

My experience is in a couple weeks.  I'm not planning on buying,  doubt they can convince me otherwise if the psl cost $6k

[GottaRun]

24 minutes ago, Bills fan since 87 said:

I am hoping to maintain my single season ticket in the new stadium, I prefer to sit up high, currently in row 28 of 339.  Any guess as to what a PSL might be for a comparable seat?  I am thinking 1,500, but have no idea really as I am having a hard time getting in contact with the rep assigned to me for the stadium transition.

I've been called twice, turned down my offer, then they called back to make the same offer in case I'd changed my mind (I had not). 

 

Anyway, both times my rep said they are looking around $2k for end zone lower and $1k to $1,500 for upper level all around.  I suspect they will have some higher priced areas like first row upper level, but my agent insisted they are going with one price for PSL in the upper level.  We will see.

[LabattBlue]

I continue to wonder once the stadium opens that ticket prices will be jacked up year after year. After all, who is going to walk away after paying thousands in PSL costs.  

[BillsPride12]

3 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

I continue to wonder once the stadium opens that ticket prices will be jacked up year after year. After all, who is going to walk away after paying thousands in PSL costs.  

I wouldn't expect anything else lol

[Chicharito]

4 hours ago, TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th said:

My experience is in a couple weeks.  I'm not planning on buying,  doubt they can convince me otherwise if the psl cost $6k

PSL is 6k per seat. They have different payment options . All payment options were $2,400 do right then and there. Season ticket price is $2350 for the 26’ season. Everything looks cool it’s just not for me. Trust me I almost pulled the trigger but it’s Christmas time and putting $2,400 up now just wasn’t in the cards.University of Tampa tuition and a st joes tuition isn’t cheap. 

[K-9]

The Pegulas don’t need a cent from PSLs to defray overrun costs for the new stadium. According to one team source, the private equity shares were sold on a valuation basis of $5.8b while another team source said the valuation was $4.5b, so selling 20% of the team means that the Pegulas realized a cash infusion of anywhere from $900m to $1.1b. Must be nice.

[SectionC3]

7 hours ago, Bills fan since 87 said:

I am hoping to maintain my single season ticket in the new stadium, I prefer to sit up high, currently in row 28 of 339.  Any guess as to what a PSL might be for a comparable seat?  I am thinking 1,500, but have no idea really as I am having a hard time getting in contact with the rep assigned to me for the stadium transition.

My guess is 5x your current STH cost.  Tickets will be a little less than double on an annual basis. 

[BillsPride12]

Had my stadium experience today.  Was about what I expected.  It was pretty cool to see what some things are going to look like.  We pretty much knew going into it we were going to drop out, we are in the $6,000 PSL seats range.  She said they don't know what the PSL fees are going to be for the endzones and upper decks but we would be contacted when those open up.

[WotAGuy]

8 minutes ago, BillsPride12 said:

Had my stadium experience today.  Was about what I expected.  It was pretty cool to see what some things are going to look like.  We pretty much knew going into it we were going to drop out, we are in the $6,000 PSL seats range.  She said they don't know what the PSL fees are going to be for the endzones and upper decks but we would be contacted when those open up.

Curious about your decision, if you are inclined to share. Was it simply out of your financial comfort range, or has attending games reached the point where the value for the money just isn’t there?  
 

If I still had season tickets, I would not be putting that much money into it, especially with the open-ended escalating ticket cost each year after I’ve cemented myself with a PSL. 
 

As it is, coming into town to attend games is no longer as enjoyable now that I’m in my 60s and standing all game long is a killer on my aching back, knees, and basically every joint in my body. 
 

[BillsPride12]

2 hours ago, WotAGuy said:

Curious about your decision, if you are inclined to share. Was it simply out of your financial comfort range, or has attending games reached the point where the value for the money just isn’t there?  
 

If I still had season tickets, I would not be putting that much money into it, especially with the open-ended escalating ticket cost each year after I’ve cemented myself with a PSL. 
 

As it is, coming into town to attend games is no longer as enjoyable now that I’m in my 60s and standing all game long is a killer on my aching back, knees, and basically every joint in my body. 
 

I think it was a little bit of both for me.  I feel like it would be paying a lot more money for what is going to feel like a more watered down experience at the new stadium.  I mean the stadium is going to look beautiful but I'm old school and I go more for the gameday atmosphere.  

 

Which also leads me to my next point.  I am also slowing down on partying etc these days and the gamedays at the stadium are starting to take a toll and it's such a long day from the time you get on the road to the time you are back home.

 

Once the announcement was made I had a pretty good feeling this was going to be the end of my run as a season ticket holder.  I still wanted to go to the experience to get a chance to preview what the new place is going to look like.  All in all it is a pretty nice presentation they have put together and I liked our sales rep.  She was very nice, although once she realized we were not going to sign on the dotted line today she threw a bunch of sales techniques and cliches out there that tried to make it sound like if we didn't sign up by the end of this week there was a good chance our seats would be gone by then lol

[Richard Noggin]

On 12/13/2024 at 1:49 AM, Mike in Horseheads said:

the PSL's were part of the business plan everyone knew that, they are not a way cover Pegula's overages smh

 

Obviously. Doesn't make them NOT gross. We have 24 months to pay ours off without interest. All costs are kindly passed along to us. Even though our tax dollars were already on the hook for the majority. 

[Richard Noggin]

On 11/26/2024 at 9:01 PM, Buffalo716 said:

I think by regulations they have to leave a small percentage of tickets available to the rest of the public and away fans

 

We were told it would be 95% season tickets, with the remaining 5% not for public (away team) purchase but for partnership perks. In the new stadium the sometimes robust visiting side away team fan attendance will be 100% the fault of Bills STH selling their seats. 

 

(Will PSLs contribute to higher secondary market prices? Will visiting fans feel MORE welcome in new stadium (as more local fans are forced to reconcile the cold, corporate reality of GameDay attendance)?

 

3-6k standing room only tickets will be the only single game tickets commercially available starting in 2026 season. Could lead to big boost in resale values of actual seats.

[Richard Noggin]

7 hours ago, BillsPride12 said:

Had my stadium experience today.  Was about what I expected.  It was pretty cool to see what some things are going to look like.  We pretty much knew going into it we were going to drop out, we are in the $6,000 PSL seats range.  She said they don't know what the PSL fees are going to be for the endzones and upper decks but we would be contacted when those open up.

 

That's odd, because we had a chance to explore all kinds of available seats. Pretty much everyone is in the $6k PSL slot, sounded like, unless you want 50 yard line or premium private bar/bathroom seating, or clubs/heated seats. 

 

The price increase for the actual seats was more reasonable than I had anticipated, and the PSLs of 6k/seat were also less evil than expected.  Pretty sure I could have asked my rep to show us prices for basically ANY available seats...but he did a great job of zeroing in on similar but slightly better seats in the same pricing tier. We went from goal-line to 20 yard line (lower bowl, Bills side) for same price. 

[Buffalo716]

16 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

We were told it would be 95% season tickets, with the remaining 5% not for public (away team) purchase but for partnership perks. In the new stadium the sometimes robust visiting side away team fan attendance will be 100% the fault of Bills STH selling their seats. 

 

(Will PSLs contribute to higher secondary market prices? Will visiting fans feel MORE welcome in new stadium (as more local fans are forced to reconcile the cold, corporate reality of GameDay attendance)?

 

3-6k standing room only tickets will be the only single game tickets commercially available starting in 2026 season. Could lead to big boost in resale values of actual seats.

5% of 60,000 is essentially three or 4,000 held tickets by the league

 

Which is basically what the stadium is now 

 

They sold 64,000 season tickets and the stadium holds 69,000 in the bowls

 

The stadium is still essentially season ticket holders rn

 

I don't think there will ever be a time where there's consistently 10,000 plus away fans

Edited December 15 by Buffalo716

[BillsPride12]

7 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

That's odd, because we had a chance to explore all kinds of available seats. Pretty much everyone is in the $6k PSL slot, sounded like, unless you want 50 yard line or premium private bar/bathroom seating, or clubs/heated seats. 

 

The price increase for the actual seats was more reasonable than I had anticipated, and the PSLs of 6k/seat were also less evil than expected.  Pretty sure I could have asked my rep to show us prices for basically ANY available seats...but he did a great job of zeroing in on similar but slightly better seats in the same pricing tier. We went from goal-line to 20 yard line (lower bowl, Bills side) for same price. 

We both felt like once our rep realized we weren't going to be signing up on the spot she started using some sales tactics on us to create urgency so maybe that was her strategy.  She asked us what we would feel comfortable with paying for a PSL and she would contact us when other sections were opened up