PSL Pricing/Seat Selection Discussion

[scuba guy]

8 hours ago, Virgil said:

The family got the call today about our appointment for the stadium presentation.  Surprisingly, they told my father the price of the tickets and PSL over the phone.  We've had seniority since the stadium opened and sit visitors site, 40 yard line, 25 rows back.  We currently pay about $240 a ticket.

 

We are being offered to sit in section 136 (Visitor side 50 yard line).

 

PSL - 10k per ticket

Tickets - $400 per

 

Are they out of their minds with this crap?  It sucks, but we will not be buying tickets and our 60 year ownership will come to an end.  We kind of knew this was coming, but were hoping to be wrong.  Pegula is absolutely tone deaf to the Buffalo economy and made his first mistake hiring the Jerry Jones people for the stadium.  

 

We most likely won't renew next season either, so this will be our last year as season ticket holders.  

 

@K-No

Sorry to here that Virgil 😔 that is alot of time to be giving up

[ScotSHO]

6 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

 

I realize you might not want to do this and i'm completely out of the loop on how this works, but could you not accept tickets in a cheaper PSL area to retain your tickets? I'm legit curious as you said you were offered those seats but could you accept lesser seats?

If you refuse your equivalent seats in the new stadium (by section) you go to the back of the season ticket holder line.  So maybe you'll get a shot at cheaper PSLs/tickets, but the seats will probably be junk or all gone.

[Virgil]

21 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

 

I realize you might not want to do this and i'm completely out of the loop on how this works, but could you not accept tickets in a cheaper PSL area to retain your tickets? I'm legit curious as you said you were offered those seats but could you accept lesser seats?

I plan to find out during the call next week

[mrags]

3 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:

 

I realize you might not want to do this and i'm completely out of the loop on how this works, but could you not accept tickets in a cheaper PSL area to retain your tickets? I'm legit curious as you said you were offered those seats but could you accept lesser seats?

Yes. I had my visit. Turned down the high psl and ticket price and asked to be called back later when other options are open. I received a call back about a month later. The prices didn’t really change that much, just to give me some info but they did make note of what I was looking for as far as tickets in the future. 

[BuffaloBaumer]

Just locked down 4 aisle seats between 45-50 yard line visitor side. Best part is that we got our whole crew in there for the stadium experience today and now have 5 aisle seat rows all back to back sitting together. 

[SectionC3]

On 9/10/2024 at 10:56 AM, Virgil said:

The family got the call today about our appointment for the stadium presentation.  Surprisingly, they told my father the price of the tickets and PSL over the phone.  We've had seniority since the stadium opened and sit visitors site, 40 yard line, 25 rows back.  We currently pay about $240 a ticket.

 

We are being offered to sit in section 136 (Visitor side 50 yard line).

 

PSL - 10k per ticket

Tickets - $400 per

 

Are they out of their minds with this crap?  It sucks, but we will not be buying tickets and our 60 year ownership will come to an end.  We kind of knew this was coming, but were hoping to be wrong.  Pegula is absolutely tone deaf to the Buffalo economy and made his first mistake hiring the Jerry Jones people for the stadium.  

 

We most likely won't renew next season either, so this will be our last year as season ticket holders.  

 

@K-No

Thank you very much for your post. I’m sorry that you’re not going to retain those tickets. I’m very grateful for please because the numbers provide clarity as to what other season-ticket holders can expect with respect to pricing. It also may provide opportunity for negotiation. it looks like the bills are adding 65% to the price of tickets and asking for a PSL of 2.5x the annual season ticket price.  

[Mr Info]

31 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

…it looks like the bills are adding 65% to the price of tickets and asking for a PSL of 2.5x the annual season ticket price.  

I signed for my East Club PSL seats back in March and just looked at my agreement when I read your numbers. Neither of the values you stated above are correct and not really even close to that. Whoever is supplying the figures to you is not true for my seats. I am not going to state my values but just informing you those are not valid.

[SectionC3]

47 minutes ago, Mr Info said:

I signed for my East Club PSL seats back in March and just looked at my agreement when I read your numbers. Neither of the values you stated above are correct and not really even close to that. Whoever is supplying the figures to you is not true for my seats. I am not going to state my values but just informing you those are not valid.

They hit Virgil’s numbers.  Maybe your price point was different. 

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

On 9/10/2024 at 10:56 AM, Virgil said:

The family got the call today about our appointment for the stadium presentation.  Surprisingly, they told my father the price of the tickets and PSL over the phone.  We've had seniority since the stadium opened and sit visitors site, 40 yard line, 25 rows back.  We currently pay about $240 a ticket.

 

We are being offered to sit in section 136 (Visitor side 50 yard line).

 

PSL - 10k per ticket

Tickets - $400 per

 

Are they out of their minds with this crap?  It sucks, but we will not be buying tickets and our 60 year ownership will come to an end.  We kind of knew this was coming, but were hoping to be wrong.  Pegula is absolutely tone deaf to the Buffalo economy and made his first mistake hiring the Jerry Jones people for the stadium.  

 

We most likely won't renew next season either, so this will be our last year as season ticket holders.  

 

@K-No

Wow, I totally understand. That’s a lot of money for many (would be myself) to invest in a sport. I Appreciate those who are able too and those who choose not too and have been lifers over the years. 
 

I am also worried that it will price my Family coming  out of town for a game going through resale. I am sure those who are selling will want a pretty decent return .

 

I do appreciate your Family giving my Family an opportunity to attend a game this year. We are super pumped to experience what you have for so long, so Thankyou to your Father. 

[Just Jack]

4 hours ago, BuffaloBaumer said:

Just locked down 4 aisle seats between 45-50 yard line visitor side. Best part is that we got our whole crew in there for the stadium experience today and now have 5 aisle seat rows all back to back sitting together. 

 

I'm confused.  You have all seats on the aisle, not next to each other?  So like Row 1, seat 1, Row 2, seat 1, row 3, seat 1, etc? 

[Saxum]

1 hour ago, Just Jack said:

 

I'm confused.  You have all seats on the aisle, not next to each other?  So like Row 1, seat 1, Row 2, seat 1, row 3, seat 1, etc? 

 

Makes it easier when you want person in front of you to sit down.

[mrags]

9 hours ago, BuffaloBaumer said:

Just locked down 4 aisle seats between 45-50 yard line visitor side. Best part is that we got our whole crew in there for the stadium experience today and now have 5 aisle seat rows all back to back sitting together. 

Please tell us what the cost of the PSL and tickets were. 

[junior]

11 hours ago, mrags said:

Please tell us what the cost of the PSL and tickets were. 

Section 136 (away side, 50 yard line) cost:
$10,000 per PSL
$3,200 per seat per season

 

On 9/10/2024 at 11:36 AM, RiotAct said:

dang that’s steep for non-clubs. Thanks for the data point.  (Pretty sure the Field Level Clubs on the Bills’ sideline are around the same price per game, aren’t they?)

Field Level Clubs cost:
$15,000 per PSL
$4,200 per seat per season

 

On 9/10/2024 at 7:26 PM, gonzo1105 said:

 

I realize you might not want to do this and i'm completely out of the loop on how this works, but could you not accept tickets in a cheaper PSL area to retain your tickets? I'm legit curious as you said you were offered those seats but could you accept lesser seats?

Yes, you can accept "lesser" seats. I've declined seats twice now - club and Section 136 (50yd line, away side). As they work their way through the stadium, they'll contact me and ask if I want to commit to seats in those sections.

Edited September 19 by junior

[blitzboy54]

20 hours ago, Mr Info said:

I signed for my East Club PSL seats back in March and just looked at my agreement when I read your numbers. Neither of the values you stated above are correct and not really even close to that. Whoever is supplying the figures to you is not true for my seats. I am not going to state my values but just informing you those are not valid.

 

Why keep it a secret. Weird flex to say you're wrong, I know you're wrong because I have proof but I will share no other information.  

[junior]

20 hours ago, Mr Info said:

I signed for my East Club PSL seats back in March and just looked at my agreement when I read your numbers. Neither of the values you stated above are correct and not really even close to that. Whoever is supplying the figures to you is not true for my seats. I am not going to state my values but just informing you those are not valid.

For anyone who wants factual numbers:

 

My current seasons in Section 133 cost $1,918.

 

The Field Club Seats cost $4,200, representing a 119% increase over my current seats.

The PSL costs $15,000, which is 2.57x the cost of the annual seat price.

The equivalent non-club seats on the 50 away side cost $3,200, representing a 67% increase over my current seats.

The PSL costs $10,000, which is 2.12x the cost of the annual seat price

[BuffaloBaumer]

17 hours ago, Just Jack said:

 

I'm confused.  You have all seats on the aisle, not next to each other?  So like Row 1, seat 1, Row 2, seat 1, row 3, seat 1, etc? 

I have 4 seats on the aisle and then my friends each have aisle seats in the 3 ros below me.

[mrags]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBaumer said:

I have 4 seats on the aisle and then my friends each have aisle seats in the 3 ros below me.

I think there was confusion that you only had aisle seats. I think it was the way it was worded. This makes more sense. 
 

Mind me asking how much you paid? As far as PSL and as far as ticket prices? 

[Savage]

On 9/10/2024 at 7:33 PM, scuba guy said:

Sorry to here that Virgil 😔 that is alot of time to be giving up

I went with my wife and kids to the home opener against TN on MNF, two years ago I think it was.

 

was $750 per ticket.

 

looking at tickets now for the only October game, or first November game.

 

tickets from $1550 to 2500.

 

five tickets, two hotel rooms for 2-3 nights, looking at 10K for the weekend.

 

ROI is minimal at best.

 

even if just once per year.

 

F-it

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[SoMAn]

On the plus side, I’ll be able to afford to take my family again from cheap resale tix after the Bills have a 3-15 record the previous year. 
High draft picks and cheap tickets…ahhh the good old days of yesteryear when Navy blue was the home uniform color. 

[Virgil]

We had our meeting yesterday and can now confirm the numbers.

 

2023 Ticket Invoice: $7,641

2026 Ticket Invoice: $12,260

59.8% price increase.

 

10k PSL per seat:

Pay up front 8k, then 1.2k per month for 36 months

or

10% interest on a 30 year loan

 

PSL's are good for the 30 years, not the life of the stadium.

 

We turned them down.  Due to our seniority from the 1960's, they will reach out to us as each section opens up to see if we are interested at a lower price point. 

 

Couple of Notes:

• The presentation is 90% about the stadium, then 10% pricing
• It was not a pushy sales experience.  We said no and that was all.  They did ask what we were willing to pay so that they could circle back
• We are offered lower bowl on the 50 yard line.  These are not club seats
• There will be a middle deck on the visitors side called the 300's that are regular seats as well.  I could see those being popular.  They are below the upper deck of 400
• They said all club seats have sold.  That goes against everything I've read online

 

Fun Fact: I posted about this on Facebook and the WIBV reached out to do a zoom call with me.  My interview will be on the news tonight

Edited September 19 by Virgil