PSL Pricing/Seat Selection Discussion

[papazoid]

4 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

It could be part of it, but unless the Bills are run by incredibly inept executives (I don't think they are), then they would have surely had overruns calculated in. This is an internal figure and is typically only surprising to the public (not the company). At no point do you go into a $1.4B project not expecting at least a 20% variance (I believe McKinsey reported a few years back that the average overrun is 25%), which would be nearly $300M budgeted for overruns alone.

PSL money is State money with the Bills acting as agents thereof. Its also not taxed. Every dollar the Bills can produce as agents of PSL's reduces their burden toward the stadium by about $1.087.

 

"who gave the order?"

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/the-bills-needed-new-york-states-approval-for-their-psl-rollout-but-who-actually-approved-it/ar-BB1lyBtk

[WotAGuy]

55 minutes ago, Einstein said:

….my hypothesis is that this 25% number is actually a bit higher, and that the Bills are using corporate buys to bump that number (with the goal of creating scarcity). We have seen in other stadiums (Jets and Atlanta for example), that the teams have had to lower prices to sell all of the PSL's.

 

 

I also have an hypothesis: @Einstein is the guy that bathed in the portapotty and fell into the pit.  He now has a vendetta against the new stadium and the Bills. 

[LabattBlue]

2 hours ago, eball said:

 

Certainly not in your case. 😉

 

 

 

It really is a shame that you have to explain something that is so plainly obvious…but thanks.

 

Ouch.  Got me there.  You win superfan.  

[DieHardFan]

3 hours ago, SDS said:

Is there any evidence that the PSL‘s are selling poorly?

Heresay (which seems to pass as 'evidence' in this topic) posted in a FB group discussion on the subject a day ago:

[BillsPride12]

2 minutes ago, DieHardFan said:

Heresay (which seems to pass as 'evidence' in this topic) posted in a FB group discussion on the subject a day ago:

I'm sure they just offered her different seats, and they didn't knock off 10K from their original East Club seats.  But that's not how she wrote her post and that's what creates confusion and chaos in the social media world 

[yall]

Anyone else looking at the field level club? I have an opportunity to split a pair of seats with a friend. I didn't get to do the stadium experience and the 15k PSL is a little much but it looks pretty sweet and I'm pretty sure I'm going to pull the trigger.  

 

Just curious if anyone else saw them and had an opinion one way or the other.  

[Bob Lamb]

18 hours ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

I don't think anyone has proof if PSL's are selling poorly.

The Bills would not announce anything anyway.

[Kirby Jackson]

27 minutes ago, yall said:

Anyone else looking at the field level club? I have an opportunity to split a pair of seats with a friend. I didn't get to do the stadium experience and the 15k PSL is a little much but it looks pretty sweet and I'm pretty sure I'm going to pull the trigger.  

 

Just curious if anyone else saw them and had an opinion one way or the other.  

I saw them. They looked pretty sweet. Food and Pepsi products are included so that’s a nice bonus. You can’t see the field from inside of the club which is different from the other 2 club areas but still looks like a great area. The team (not sure if it’s one or both) come out from the locker room right in front of the club. That’s a nice touch too. It’s like that in Vegas (I think) too. 

[Bob Lamb]

On 4/17/2024 at 6:25 PM, SDS said:

I have the possibility of splitting a pair of club seats with a family member who currently has a pair of clubs. In their meeting they were quoted 15 K per seat. Is there any advice you guys may have?

 

Just in case you and your partner are not going to use all the tickets yourself - see what the Sabres are doing to ticket resellers. Just looking down the road.

https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Articles/2024/03/11/buffalo-sabres-season-ticket-reselling-crack-down#:~:text=have notified season tic

[Mike in Horseheads]

9 minutes ago, Bob Lamb said:

The Bills would not announce anything anyway.

Always good to see you Bob!

[Kirby Jackson]

18 hours ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

I don't think anyone has proof if PSL's are selling poorly.

 

11 minutes ago, Bob Lamb said:

The Bills would not announce anything anyway.

The only thing that we know definitively is that they sold out of the $50K PSLs. There were 450 of them. I think that they were calling it the Legend’s Club. Everything else is speculation. 

[yall]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

 

The only thing that we know definitively is that they sold out of the $50K PSLs. There were 450 of them. I think that they were calling it the Legend’s Club. Everything else is speculation. 

I heard this as well. As of Thursday evening there were 2 left in the legends club. I'm guessing they didn't last long.

6 minutes ago, Bob Lamb said:

 

Just in case you and your partner are not going to use all the tickets yourself - see what the Sabres are doing to ticket resellers. Just looking down the road.

https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Articles/2024/03/11/buffalo-sabres-season-ticket-reselling-crack-down#:~:text=have notified season tic

I really wouldn't worry too much about that. 

 

This is the Sabres using a state law to their advantage to crack down on people who buy tickets for the sole purpose of reselling them.

[Just Jack]

On 4/18/2024 at 10:16 PM, mrags said:

Another way to look at it was a new tech that nobody has really really tried yet. If it worked we wouldn’t be complaining about it. From what I hear from people is they preferred those to what we have now. But I’m guessing that’s all opinion. 

 

There was another company when it came time to replace the field in the early 2000's, that was either new to the business, or it was their first NFL field, that the Bills got it cheaper than other established companies, and now they also are out of business. 

 

 

12 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I saw them. They looked pretty sweet. Food and Pepsi products are included so that’s a nice bonus. You can’t see the field from inside of the club which is different from the other 2 club areas but still looks like a great area. The team (not sure if it’s one or both) come out from the locker room right in front of the club. That’s a nice touch too. It’s like that in Vegas (I think) too. 

 

Dallas is another stadium that does this.  

 

 

 

[Bob Lamb]

On 4/18/2024 at 8:55 AM, PromoTheRobot said:

 

I want heat so badly. I wonder if any will be left by the time they get to me.

 

I seem to recall the previous attempt at heated seats did not end up so well

 

In 1999 crews completed a seven-month stadium overhaul that included constructing 76 brand-new dugout suites and two new enclosed club sections each containing 500 seats. Fans in the dugout suites watch the action just 40 rows from the field. In addition, the Bills replaced 6,800 seats in the sideline club sections with revolutionary contoured heated seats, the first of their kind in North America. 

 

After a couple of seasons - the system faltered due to global warming (Ooops - I meant weather)

[PromoTheRobot]

6 minutes ago, Bob Lamb said:

 

I seem to recall the previous attempt at heated seats did not end up so well

 

In 1999 crews completed a seven-month stadium overhaul that included constructing 76 brand-new dugout suites and two new enclosed club sections each containing 500 seats. Fans in the dugout suites watch the action just 40 rows from the field. In addition, the Bills replaced 6,800 seats in the sideline club sections with revolutionary contoured heated seats, the first of their kind in North America. 

 

After a couple of seasons - the system faltered due to global warming (Ooops - I meant weather)

 

I'm fine with fry lamps overhead.

Edited April 20 by PromoTheRobot

[Bob Lamb]

8 minutes ago, yall said:

I heard this as well. As of Thursday evening there were 2 left in the legends club. I'm guessing they didn't last long.

I really wouldn't worry too much about that. 

 

This is the Sabres using a state law to their advantage to crack down on people who buy tickets for the sole purpose of reselling them.

 

Camel's nose under the tent - there is no end to the NFL's greed

[LabattBlue]

1 hour ago, Bob Lamb said:

The Bills would not announce anything anyway.

^^^ This! 👍

[Boatdrinks]

46 minutes ago, Bob Lamb said:

 

Camel's nose under the tent - there is no end to the NFL's greed

They’re in business to make money. Lots of it. 

[mrags]

1 hour ago, Just Jack said:

 

There was another company when it came time to replace the field in the early 2000's, that was either new to the business, or it was their first NFL field, that the Bills got it cheaper than other established companies, and now they also are out of business. 

 

 

 

Dallas is another stadium that does this.  

 

 

 

Pretty sure it was a local company and they were related to a friend of mine. Or maybe they were the ones that were hired to replace it. I don’t remember. But I know I’ve got some of that turf and my buddies entire barn is full of it. 

[RiotAct]

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

 You can’t see the field from inside of the club which is different from the other 2 club areas but still looks like a great area. 

a small detail!!!