gonzo1105 Posted March 23 Posted March 23 Usually I try to put out a couple of mocks and now seems like a good time to post one with Free Agency slowing down and before the draft. I usually don't project trades but I did here with the Vikings moving up to 5 and the Chargers moving out. Enjoy and try to be nice haha. 1. Chicago Bears- Caleb Williams QB USC 2. Washington Commanders- Jayden Daniels QB LSU 3. New England Patriots- Drake Maye QB UNC 4. Arizona Cardinals- Marvin Harrison Jr WR OSU 5. Minnesota(from LAC)- J.J. McCarthy QB Michigan 6. New York Giants- Malik Nabers WR LSU 7. Tennessee Titans- Joe Alt OT Notre Dame 8. Atlanta Falcons- Jared Verse DE Florida State 9. Chicago Bears- Dallas Turner DE Alabama 10. New York Jets- Brock Bowers TE Georgia 11. Los Angeles Chargers(f/Minn)- Olu Fashanu OT Penn State 12. Denver Broncos- Bo Nix QB Oregon 13. Las Vegas Raiders- Terrion Arnold CB Alabama 14. New Orleans Saints- J.C. Latham OT Alabama 15. Indianapolis Colts- Rome Odunze WR Washington 16. Seattle Seahawks- Jackson Powers Johnson OC Oregon 17. Jacksonville Jaguars- Brian Thomas Jr. WR LSU 18. Cincinnati Bengals- Quinyon Mitchell CB Toledo 19. LA Rams- Nate Wiggins CB Clemson 20. Pittsburgh Steelers- Taliese Fuaga OT/OG Oregon State 21. Miami Dolphins- Byron Murphy DT Texas 22. Philadelphia Eagles- Cooper DeJean CB/S Iowa 23. LA Chargers(f/Minn)- Adonai Mitchell WR Texas 24. Dallas Cowboys- Graham Barton OT Duke 25. Green Bay Packers- Jerzahn Newton DT Illinois 26. Tampa Bay Buccaneers- Laiatu Latu DE UCLA 27. Arizona Cardinals- Chop Robinson DE Penn State 28. Buffalo Bills- Xavier Worthy WR Texas - Alright for all you WR guys this one is for you. Worthy obviously is a high level speed prospect and even though he doesn't fit the specific need for a bigger X receiver or even possibly a natural replacement for Diggs, he is what the Bills are looking for as someone who can provide explosive plays in the pass game which is something that both Beane and McDermott have mentioned this offseason. Besides his world class speed, Worthy was a highly productive prospect. He will have to work on his blocking ability as well as his route running as well as his effort at times. 29. Detroit Lions- Zach Frazier OG/OC West Virginia 30. Baltimore Ravens- Amarius Mims OT Georgia 31. San Francisco 49ers- Troy Fautanu OT/OG Washington 32. Kansas City Chiefs- Kool Aid McKinstry CB Alabama 2nd Round 33. Carolina Panthers- Ladd McConkey WR Georgia 34. New England Patriots- Troy Franklin WR Oregon 35. Arizona Cardinals- Tyler Guyton OT Oklahoma 36. Washington Commanders- Darius Robinson DE Missouri 37. LA Chargers- Ennis Rackstraw CB Missouri 38. Tennessee Titans- Roman Wilson WR Michigan 39. Carolina Panthers- Kamari Lassiter CB Georgia 40. Washington Commanders- Keon Coleman WR FSU 41. Green Bay Packers- Jordan Morgan OT Arizona 42. Houston Texans- T.J. Tampa CB Iowa State 43. Atlanta Falcons- Xavier Legette WR South Carolina 44. Las Vegas Raiders- Michael Penix Jr. QB Washington 45. New Orleans Saints- Braden Fiske DT FSU 46. Indianapolis Colts- Mike Sainristil CB/S Michigan 47. New York Giants- Tyler Nubin SAF Minnesota 48. Jacksonville Jaguars- Kris Jenkins DT Michigan 49. Cincinnati Bengals- T'Vondre Sweat DT Texas 50. Philadelphia Eagles- Chris Braswell DE Alabama 51. Pittsburgh Steelers- Ricky Pearsall WR Florida 52. LA Rams- Edgerrin Cooper LB Texas A&M 53. Philadelphia Eagles- Payton Wilson LB NC State 54. Cleveland Browns- Jonathon Brooks RB Texas 55. Miami Dolphins- Javon Bullard SAF Georgia 56. Dallas Cowboys- Trey Benson RB FSU 57. Tampa Bay Bucs- Cooper Beebe OG Kansas State 58. Green Bay Packers- Calen Bullock SAF USC 59. Houston Texans- Sedrick Van Pran OG/OC Georgia 60. Buffalo Bills- Kiran Amegadjie OT/OG Yale - Before you dogwalk me on this pick, this came down to Amegadjie and Adisa Isaac. In this iteration I do not see a DT prospect that is worth their salt at this pick with Fiske, Sweat, and Jenkins all gone. Amegadjie is a super raw prospect who obviously plays in the Ivy League. This might be a slight reach but the potential of Amegadjie to become a high level offensive tackle in this league is right up there with the top OT's in this draft. The Bills did meet with him formally at the combine and while tackle doesn't seem like a need at the moment, Spencer Brown is on his last year of his contract and Amedgadjie did start 10 games at Yale at Guard so he could possibly slot into the Left Guard Spot before taking over for Brown next year. He also possesses rare traits that you dont see in an offensive Tackle. Amegadjie is 6'5 323 pounds and possesses incredibly quick feet, 36 inch arm length and over an 85 inch wingspan. Just watch the kids highlights. 61. Detroit Lions- Max Melton CB Rutgers 62. Baltimore Ravens-Jeremiah Trotter Jr. LB Clemson 63. San Francisco 49ers- Adisa Isaac DE Penn State 64. Kansas City Chiefs- Malachi Corley WR Western Kentucky 5 2 1 2 1 2 4 Quote
Dr. Who Posted March 23 Posted March 23 Well, I'm not scrutinizing, but on a quick read through, I guess it's a plausible scenario. McCarthy seems to be rising. I'm not sure I agree with it, but QBs usually do. Latu falling that far isn't something I expected, but with the injury history, there could be doubts about him. Sure was glad to see Chop go before #28 to stop us from maybe making a foolish mistake. I wouldn't hate Worthy, but I'd be tempted to try and trade back and pick up Legette later. I'd rather have traded up and gotten Mitchell. 15, 18, and 19, that would be a brutal run if you're hoping for WR to fall. I like Amegadjie in the second, given what's left. I'd certainly take him over Adisa Isaac. OT with an aging big man in Dawkins and Brown looking at a big pay day next year is not a foolish pick. Hope Beane finds a way back into the third. It's a long wait after #60. 1 Quote
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 23 Posted March 23 I've come around on Worthy. I'd be happy with that. Though I'd prefer a more Outside WR, his all time speed and the addition of Samuel has made me more open to it. The OT pick? That's a rough one. I get the value. I just don't think the brass is willing to give up on Spencer Brown after last year. Which to me, this pick would be. It's either that or you're Drafting a Swing Tackle in Round 2. There's too many needs right now to take a Swing Tackle that high. I understand you're playing the Draft as it falls game without moving and that the value for DT didn't fall right. But in reality, if we had stood pat in Round 1 and taken a WR - I don't see a way Beane doesn't make a move up to somewhere between 46 and 55 to make sure he lands one of Tyler Nubin, T'Vondre Sweat, Kris Jenkins, or Javon Bullard. 1 1 Quote
Dr. Who Posted March 23 Posted March 23 (edited) 2 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: I've come around on Worthy. I'd be happy with that. Though I'd prefer a more Outside WR, his all time speed and the addition of Samuel has made me more open to it. The OT pick? That's a rough one. I get the value. I just don't think the brass is willing to give up on Spencer Brown after last year. Which to me, this pick would be. It's either that or you're Drafting a Swing Tackle in Round 2. There's too many needs right now to take a Swing Tackle that high. I understand you're playing the Draft as it falls game without moving and that the value for DT didn't fall right. But in reality, if we had stood pat in Round 1 and taken a WR - I don't see a way Beane doesn't make a move up to somewhere between 46 and 55 to make sure he lands one of Tyler Nubin, T'Vondre Sweat, Kris Jenkins, or Javon Bullard. It's not a give up on Brown. It's a worry that he'll get a huge offer in free agency we can't match. I like all the names you selected for a second round move up. I guess Sweat and Bullard would be my preferences, but they are all good. Edited March 23 by Dr. Who 1 1 Quote
gonzo1105 Posted March 23 Author Posted March 23 9 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: Well, I'm not scrutinizing, but on a quick read through, I guess it's a plausible scenario. McCarthy seems to be rising. I'm not sure I agree with it, but QBs usually do. Latu falling that far isn't something I expected, but with the injury history, there could be doubts about him. Sure was glad to see Chop go before #28 to stop us from maybe making a foolish mistake. I wouldn't hate Worthy, but I'd be tempted to try and trade back and pick up Legette later. I'd rather have traded up and gotten Mitchell. 15, 18, and 19, that would be a brutal run if you're hoping for WR to fall. I like Amegadjie in the second, given what's left. I'd certainly take him over Adisa Isaac. OT with an aging big man in Dawkins and Brown looking at a big pay day next year is not a foolish pick. Hope Beane finds a way back into the third. It's a long wait after #60. I agree and I do think that Beane will try to move down and recoup a 3rd rounder and probably take a WR in the early parts of round 2. I believe he will move around quite a bit in the early rounds both up and down if he can. That was the exact thought was that Amegadjie can start as a backup while he develops his body in year 1 possibly playing at Guard before pushing out to RT if Spencer Brown leaves and then eventually taking over for Dawkins at LT. Plus people want reallocation of resources to the offense and this goes that route. 1 1 Quote
julian Posted March 23 Posted March 23 I think the Bills are ok with a Spencer Brown pay increase and are expecting it, moving Morse’s money off the books makes room for an upcoming Brown deal. Im more than happy with Worthy at 28, but I’d be very surprised at OT in the 2nd. 1 Quote
Dr. Who Posted March 23 Posted March 23 1 minute ago, julian said: I think the Bills are ok with a Spencer Brown pay increase and are expecting it, moving Morse’s money off the books makes room for an upcoming Brown deal. Im more than happy with Worthy at 28, but I’d be very surprised at OT in the 2nd. I think if they don't move back from #28, a move up from #60 to secure DT or a S they like is a fair bet to happen. 1 2 Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 23 Posted March 23 This is really well done. All the picks seem quite possible for the specific team I like Worthy a lot. He isn’t my 1st choice among those we’d target..but as you mentioned Beane and Sean spoke of explosive plays multiple times. I think Worthy plays bigger than his size. He’s not afraid of contact and sometimes will initiate it to fight for extra yards. Worthy and Samuel being in motion on any given play is a world of trouble for defenses. I love the speed. If Worthy can get himself up to around 180 lbs, and stay under 4.3 speed that would be ideal 1 Quote
NeverOutNick Posted March 23 Posted March 23 If Odunze fell past 13 Beane better be on the phone selling his kidney to move up 1 1 1 Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 23 Posted March 23 Seattle at 16 is the trade up sweet spot. Thomas Jr is fairly likely still on the board Odunze could even be there as well 1 Quote
mannc Posted March 23 Posted March 23 1 hour ago, gonzo1105 said: Usually I try to put out a couple of mocks and now seems like a good time to post one with Free Agency slowing down and before the draft. I usually don't project trades but I did here with the Vikings moving up to 5 and the Chargers moving out. Enjoy and try to be nice haha. 1. Chicago Bears- Caleb Williams QB USC 2. Washington Commanders- Jayden Daniels QB LSU 3. New England Patriots- Drake Maye QB UNC 4. Arizona Cardinals- Marvin Harrison Jr WR OSU 5. Minnesota(from LAC)- J.J. McCarthy QB Michigan 6. New York Giants- Malik Nabers WR LSU 7. Tennessee Titans- Joe Alt OT Notre Dame 8. Atlanta Falcons- Jared Verse DE Florida State 9. Chicago Bears- Dallas Turner DE Alabama 10. New York Jets- Brock Bowers TE Georgia 11. Los Angeles Chargers(f/Minn)- Olu Fashanu OT Penn State 12. Denver Broncos- Bo Nix QB Oregon 13. Las Vegas Raiders- Terrion Arnold CB Alabama 14. New Orleans Saints- J.C. Latham OT Alabama 15. Indianapolis Colts- Rome Odunze WR Washington 16. Seattle Seahawks- Jackson Powers Johnson OC Oregon 17. Jacksonville Jaguars- Brian Thomas Jr. WR LSU 18. Cincinnati Bengals- Quinyon Mitchell CB Toledo 19. LA Rams- Nate Wiggins CB Clemson 20. Pittsburgh Steelers- Taliese Fuaga OT/OG Oregon State 21. Miami Dolphins- Byron Murphy DT Texas 22. Philadelphia Eagles- Cooper DeJean CB/S Iowa 23. LA Chargers(f/Minn)- Adonai Mitchell WR Texas 24. Dallas Cowboys- Graham Barton OT Duke 25. Green Bay Packers- Jerzahn Newton DT Illinois 26. Tampa Bay Buccaneers- Laiatu Latu DE UCLA 27. Arizona Cardinals- Chop Robinson DE Penn State 28. Buffalo Bills- Xavier Worthy WR Texas - Alright for all you WR guys this one is for you. Worthy obviously is a high level speed prospect and even though he doesn't fit the specific need for a bigger X receiver or even possibly a natural replacement for Diggs, he is what the Bills are looking for as someone who can provide explosive plays in the pass game which is something that both Beane and McDermott have mentioned this offseason. Besides his world class speed, Worthy was a highly productive prospect. He will have to work on his blocking ability as well as his route running as well as his effort at times. 29. Detroit Lions- Zach Frazier OG/OC West Virginia 30. Baltimore Ravens- Amarius Mims OT Georgia 31. San Francisco 49ers- Troy Fautanu OT/OG Washington 32. Kansas City Chiefs- Kool Aid McKinstry CB Alabama 2nd Round 33. Carolina Panthers- Ladd McConkey WR Georgia 34. New England Patriots- Troy Franklin WR Oregon 35. Arizona Cardinals- Tyler Guyton OT Oklahoma 36. Washington Commanders- Darius Robinson DE Missouri 37. LA Chargers- Ennis Rackstraw CB Missouri 38. Tennessee Titans- Roman Wilson WR Michigan 39. Carolina Panthers- Kamari Lassiter CB Georgia 40. Washington Commanders- Keon Coleman WR FSU 41. Green Bay Packers- Jordan Morgan OT Arizona 42. Houston Texans- T.J. Tampa CB Iowa State 43. Atlanta Falcons- Xavier Legette WR South Carolina 44. Las Vegas Raiders- Michael Penix Jr. QB Washington 45. New Orleans Saints- Braden Fiske DT FSU 46. Indianapolis Colts- Mike Sainristil CB/S Michigan 47. New York Giants- Tyler Nubin SAF Minnesota 48. Jacksonville Jaguars- Kris Jenkins DT Michigan 49. Cincinnati Bengals- T'Vondre Sweat DT Texas 50. Philadelphia Eagles- Chris Braswell DE Alabama 51. Pittsburgh Steelers- Ricky Pearsall WR Florida 52. LA Rams- Edgerrin Cooper LB Texas A&M 53. Philadelphia Eagles- Payton Wilson LB NC State 54. Cleveland Browns- Jonathon Brooks RB Texas 55. Miami Dolphins- Javon Bullard SAF Georgia 56. Dallas Cowboys- Trey Benson RB FSU 57. Tampa Bay Bucs- Cooper Beebe OG Kansas State 58. Green Bay Packers- Calen Bullock SAF USC 59. Houston Texans- Sedrick Van Pran OG/OC Georgia 60. Buffalo Bills- Kiran Amegadjie OT/OG Yale - Before you dogwalk me on this pick, this came down to Amegadjie and Adisa Isaac. In this iteration I do not see a DT prospect that is worth their salt at this pick with Fiske, Sweat, and Jenkins all gone. Amegadjie is a super raw prospect who obviously plays in the Ivy League. This might be a slight reach but the potential of Amegadjie to become a high level offensive tackle in this league is right up there with the top OT's in this draft. The Bills did meet with him formally at the combine and while tackle doesn't seem like a need at the moment, Spencer Brown is on his last year of his contract and Amedgadjie did start 10 games at Yale at Guard so he could possibly slot into the Left Guard Spot before taking over for Brown next year. He also possesses rare traits that you dont see in an offensive Tackle. Amegadjie is 6'5 323 pounds and possesses incredibly quick feet, 36 inch arm length and over an 85 inch wingspan. Just watch the kids highlights. 61. Detroit Lions- Max Melton CB Rutgers 62. Baltimore Ravens-Jeremiah Trotter Jr. LB Clemson 63. San Francisco 49ers- Adisa Isaac DE Penn State 64. Kansas City Chiefs- Malachi Corley WR Western Kentucky I like what you’ve done here…not just regurgitating the same picks as everyone else, but putting a lot of thought into it. I think your projected Bills picks are zero possibility, but overall, it’s a very interesting mock. Quote
SteveP Posted March 23 Posted March 23 What it would cost to get one of the top three wrs in the 2024 nfl draft https://buffalowdown.com/posts/cost-trade-stefon-diggs-top-wrs-2024-nfl-draft-01hshwr4wsp3https://buffalowdown.com/posts/cost-trade-stefon-diggs-top-wrs-2024-nfl-draft-01hshwr4wsp3 Quote
BigDingus Posted March 23 Posted March 23 Speed isn't everything, but don't undersell it either. We've seen how WRs with that kind of speed can make their own separation, and Tyreek has made a career off of it. Not saying he's like that, but I no longer shrug off those guys like I did when people hyped up Marquise Goodwin's potential & 4.27 40 time. Worthy's 4.21 combine 40 time is elite speed, paired with production, so I'd be happy. Quote
MasterStrategist Posted March 23 Posted March 23 Worthy is my favorite WR in this draft, that we could possibly get at 28. Speed/YAC/Explosion. He's a Zay Flowers type impact on our offense. I think if the draft plays out, as this mock, we try moving up for Latu. Quote
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 23 Posted March 23 (edited) 4 hours ago, Dr. Who said: It's not a give up on Brown. It's a worry that he'll get a huge offer in free agency we can't match. I like all the names you selected for a second round move up. I guess Sweat and Bullard would be my preferences, but they are all good. Yeah, but where are we if Brown re-signs? You've spent our 2nd in a year where we need help elsewhere on an Offensive Tackle that, long term, isn't going to see the field unless there's an injury because Dawkins and Brown are under contract. Unless you plan on moving on from Brown, you don't take an OT in Round 1 or Round 2. I don't agree with spending high picks on Free Agent Insurance a year ahead of time. If we lose Brown next year - you sign a Free Agent or Draft a player high to replace them next year. If you want to take an OT in Round 3 or later that you like as development and insurance, that's fine. But this season we need players that we know are going to see the field in the first 2 Rounds. Especially since we don't have another pick until the end of Round 4. Edited March 23 by BillsFanForever19 Quote
Aussie Joe Posted March 23 Posted March 23 (edited) 35 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Yeah, but where are we if Brown re-signs? You've spent our 2nd in a year where we need help elsewhere on an Offensive Tackle that, long term, isn't going to see the field unless there's an injury because Dawkins and Brown are under contract. Unless you plan on moving on from Brown, you don't take an OT in Round 1 or Round 2. I don't agree with spending high picks on Free Agent Insurance a year ahead of time. If we lose Brown next year - you sign a Free Agent or Draft a player high to replace them next year. If you want to take an OT in Round 3 or later that you like as development and insurance, that's fine. But this season we need players that we know are going to see the field in the first 2 Rounds. Especially since we don't have another pick until the end of Round 4. If a Tackle is BPA at 60 then go for it ..although I think this is unlikely and I don’t particularly like this guy at that spot . I think 60 is a real awkward spot in this draft actually … i don’t like anyone that is left in this scenario presented here … I would even entertain Kam Kinchens who is falling like a stone … I hate trading up normally .. but I’m thinking it might be better to trade up from 60 rather than the first round … alternatively they get lucky in the second round like last year ..but hope isn’t a plan … Edited March 23 by Aussie Joe 1 Quote
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 23 Posted March 23 (edited) 2 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: If a Tackle is BPA at 60 then go for it ..although I think this is unlikely and I don’t particularly like this guy at that spot . I think 60 is a real awkward spot in this draft actually … i don’t like anyone that is left in this scenario presented here … I would even entertain Kam Kinchens who is falling like a stone … I hate trading up normally .. but I’m thinking it might be better to trade up from 60 rather than the first round … alternatively they get lucky in the second round like last year ..but hope isn’t a plan … Yeah, it seems to me that we should either stay put at 28 or trade down 2-3 spots. Because Round 2 seems the best time for us to move up. As you said, 60 is kind of no man's land for our needs. If you can get up 10-15 picks in Round 2, you can probably still land a top ranked player at WR, DL, or S. 60 is dicey. 60, 128 (1 of our 2 4th's) and 144 (1 of our 3 5th's) can get you up to 48. And in this Draft scenario, that would land us Kris Jenkins or T'Vondre Sweat. Where we are at DT with just Oliver and Jones and nothing else, the landscape of what's left in FA at DT, and the heavy rotation we use at the position - we simply cannot afford to wait until the end of Round 4 to address that position. Edited March 23 by BillsFanForever19 3 Quote
gjv Posted March 23 Posted March 23 If Laiatu Latu DE UCLA falls that far, I would hope Beane moves up for him. 1 Quote
OldTimer1960 Posted March 23 Posted March 23 (edited) I am really not crazy about Worthy in the first. He IS super fast, but he is terribly thin and he has OK hands. I get the idea that he is a deep threat for a big armed QB, but I fear he won’t stay healthy and that NFL DBs may man-handle him. I know he is quick and will avoid jams and hits sometimes, but he won’t avoid all of them. I don’t think that any other WR that might be available there is free of concern either, so I would understand the pick. I would not criticize a high upside OT. By pick 60, the options at DT, DE and S will be pretty limited. While they need each of those positions, it’s better not to reach for the position and take a better prospect at a position of lesser perceived need. I think there will be a step-back on defense no matter what they do in the draft, so get the best prospects you can regardless of need this year. Edited March 23 by OldTimer1960 2 Quote
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