Pass rusher. A huge need not being talked about enough

[oldmanfan]

  On 3/24/2024 at 1:09 AM, mrags said:

Don’t worry 808. Some people will never get it and will defend their beloved coach through everything no matter what. 

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And some will trash the coach no matter what he does and act childish while doing so

[GunnerBill]

  On 3/24/2024 at 1:09 AM, mrags said:

Don’t worry 808. Some people will never get it and will defend their beloved coach through everything no matter what. 

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Some people have no idea what they are watching too.

  On 3/24/2024 at 1:10 AM, FireChans said:

No no @GunnerBill is on the record, a green check doesn't mean he agrees with you about EVERYTHING in your post. He is probably still much higher on Eddy than me.

 

I think Ed Oliver had the greatest season of his career last year. I thought, at points, he was utterly dominant. Unfortunately, none of those points came in the postseason, so here we are again. Maybe he will show up someday.

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He didn't play well vs KC in these playoffs. But he was by far our best defender in 13 seconds. And he was for most of last year. If guys wanna judge him off that one gake go ahead. He was below par. No disagreement. But he is in the second tier of DTs in the league

 

[GoBills808]

  On 3/24/2024 at 1:10 AM, FireChans said:

No no @GunnerBill is on the record, a green check doesn't mean he agrees with you about EVERYTHING in your post. He is probably still much higher on Eddy than me.

 

I think Ed Oliver had the greatest season of his career last year. I thought, at points, he was utterly dominant. Unfortunately, none of those points came in the postseason, so here we are again. Maybe he will show up someday.

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Ok so the defense, bereft of dline talent, ends up 4th in regular season sacks due to schematic brilliance vs bad teams...largely thanks to McDermott's schematic aptitude...which unfortunately only works vs bad teams as shown by their postseason implosions...

 

This really what you're going with lol

[FireChans]

  On 3/24/2024 at 1:05 AM, GoBills808 said:

Well you've got @GunnerBillagreeing w you that Oliver is mid after recently saying he was 'a tick below Chris Jones and Aaron Donald'😂😂😂

No

Legit don't understand your point

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DL was above average last year. Plays well against bad teams with bad OL/bad QB/a team that can't beat our coverages, sometimes very well (9 sacks vs Sam Howell). Gets routinely beat against teams with good OL. Gets whipped by team with great OL.

 

The Bills haven't had an SB caliber DL since 2014, and I firmly believe that.

[mrags]

  On 3/24/2024 at 1:11 AM, oldmanfan said:

And some will trash the coach no matter what he does and act childish while doing so

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  On 3/24/2024 at 1:12 AM, GunnerBill said:

 

Some people have no idea what they are watching too.

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Yup. I guess I must have missed his team getting destroyed in the AFC championship game. And then completely botching a simple kickoff and mismanaging a defense with .13 seconds. Oh, and then I must have missed the shellacking by the Bengals at home. And then again a loss against the Chiefs this past year. So if we have such a great coach you would think we’d have won even a few games against good teams. After all, we can beat the chiefs and create a pass rush against Mahomes in the regular season, but can’t seem to do it in the playoffs. 

[GunnerBill]

  On 3/24/2024 at 1:16 AM, FireChans said:

 

The Bills haven't had an SB caliber DL since 2014, and I firmly believe that.

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I firmly agree with this.

[GoBills808]

😂😂oh you really are going w that 

 

Ok then

[GunnerBill]

  On 3/24/2024 at 1:18 AM, mrags said:

 

Yup. I guess I must have missed his team getting destroyed in the AFC championship game. And then completely botching a simple kickoff and mismanaging a defense with .13 seconds. Oh, and then I must have missed the shellacking by the Bengals at home. And then again a loss against the Chiefs this past year. So if we have such a great coach you would think we’d have won even a few games against good teams. After all, we can beat the chiefs and create a pass rush against Mahomes in the regular season, but can’t seem to do it in the playoffs. 

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The coaching botched 13 seconds. No argument.

[mrags]

  On 3/24/2024 at 1:16 AM, GoBills808 said:

Ok so the defense, bereft of dline talent, ends up 4th in regular season sacks due to schematic brilliance vs bad teams...largely thanks to McDermott's schematic aptitude...which unfortunately only works vs bad teams as shown by their postseason implosions...

 

This really what you're going with lol

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Like I said, they’ll defend their lovable coach over everything. Can’t take criticism even though it’s warranted. But hey, we’re no longer the bottom of the basement and a playoffs team every year. So let’s be happy. YAY!!!!  🤮

[oldmanfan]

  On 3/24/2024 at 1:18 AM, mrags said:

 

Yup. I guess I must have missed his team getting destroyed in the AFC championship game. And then completely botching a simple kickoff and mismanaging a defense with .13 seconds. Oh, and then I must have missed the shellacking by the Bengals at home. And then again a loss against the Chiefs this past year. So if we have such a great coach you would think we’d have won even a few games against good teams. After all, we can beat the chiefs and create a pass rush against Mahomes in the regular season, but can’t seem to do it in the playoffs. 

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All these happened.  As did you talking about fans and their beloved and/or lovable coach as if you were back in 3rd grade.

 

McD needs to get them over the hump.  All are in agreement.

 

 

Edited March 24, 2024 by oldmanfan

[FireChans]

  On 3/24/2024 at 1:12 AM, GunnerBill said:

 

Some people have no idea what they are watching too.

 

He didn't play well vs KC in these playoffs. But he was by far our best defender in 13 seconds. And he was for most of last year. If guys wanna judge him off that one gake go ahead. He was below par. No disagreement. But he is in the second tier of DTs in the league

 

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I do because that's when he's paid to show up.

 

I would annihilate Allen if he was having no-show efforts in playoff losses. You can nitpick tiny things about him, you cannot deny he earns that gigantic paycheck (and cap hit) in the last game of the season every season. Unfortunately, he's basically the only one.

 

  On 3/24/2024 at 1:16 AM, GoBills808 said:

Ok so the defense, bereft of dline talent, ends up 4th in regular season sacks due to schematic brilliance vs bad teams...largely thanks to McDermott's schematic aptitude...which unfortunately only works vs bad teams as shown by their postseason implosions...

 

This really what you're going with lol

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Yeah, they are basically bullies. It's why when we had 3 AllPros on the backend in 2020, we still got smoked by KC.

 

McD can coach up dudes like Levi Wallce to hang in the NFL and not be terrible vs the Nick Sirianni's of the world. But Levi Wallace is gonna lose to Travis Kelce/Tyreek Hill and Andy every time, even if he got possessed by the Night Train.

[GoBills808]

  On 3/24/2024 at 1:19 AM, mrags said:

Like I said, they’ll defend their lovable coach over everything. Can’t take criticism even though it’s warranted. But hey, we’re no longer the bottom of the basement and a playoffs team every year. So let’s be happy. YAY!!!!  🤮

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At some point eyerolls are all they have l ft😂😂

 

I guess the question in relation to the thread then becomes- how many first round defensive picks do we need on the defensive line to make it work for McDermott, and if Beane can't identify them properly anyway what's the point of wasting it?

[FireChans]

  On 3/24/2024 at 1:19 AM, mrags said:

Like I said, they’ll defend their lovable coach over everything. Can’t take criticism even though it’s warranted. But hey, we’re no longer the bottom of the basement and a playoffs team every year. So let’s be happy. YAY!!!!  🤮

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If you aren't happy to be a top 3-4 team every year with a top 2 QB, you can watch the Panthers next year to scratch that itch of how fun it was to be in the bottom of the basement.

[GunnerBill]

  On 3/24/2024 at 1:22 AM, GoBills808 said:

At some point eyerolls are all they have l ft😂😂

 

I guess the question in relation to the thread then becomes- how many first round defensive picks do we need on the defensive line to make it work for McDermott, and if Beane can't identify them properly anyway what's the point of wasting it?

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I am not arguing for more 1st round resources spent on the DL. They have shot their shots. They have to make it work.

[mrags]

  On 3/24/2024 at 1:21 AM, oldmanfan said:

All these happened.  As did you talking about fans and their beloved coach as if you were back in 3rd grade.

 

 

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lol. You’re funny. Last I checked

were on a message board not a debate 

[oldmanfan]

  On 3/24/2024 at 1:24 AM, mrags said:

lol. You’re funny. Last I checked

were on a message board not a debate 

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Were on a message board?  Ok…

 

Message boards exist to discuss and debate issues.

Edited March 24, 2024 by oldmanfan

[mrags]

  On 3/24/2024 at 1:22 AM, GoBills808 said:

At some point eyerolls are all they have l ft😂😂

 

I guess the question in relation to the thread then becomes- how many first round defensive picks do we need on the defensive line to make it work for McDermott, and if Beane can't identify them properly anyway what's the point of wasting it?

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100% if a defensive guru (and that’s what many want to call him) is so good, then he shouldn’t need early pick after early pick. And free agent after free agent to bolster his line to get his job done. But again, you make a point, if they are this bad at identifying talent on the DL then maybe they need to rethink their strategy 

[FireChans]

  On 3/24/2024 at 1:22 AM, GoBills808 said:

how many first round defensive picks do we need on the defensive line to make it work for McDermott, and if Beane can't identify them properly anyway what's the point of wasting it?

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No more. They wasted enough capital as it is. Pray Rousseau is more than potential and Epenesa takes steroids. Offense x 1000 going forward.

 

Let's try to win 38-35 over trying to win 21-17. We may still lose, but I'm 100% on board with pivoting strategy. We don't have the horses and beating our heads into the wall trying to get them picking #28 and later every year ain't gonna work.

  On 3/24/2024 at 1:26 AM, mrags said:

100% if a defensive guru (and that’s what many want to call him) is so good, then he shouldn’t need early pick after early pick. And free agent after free agent to bolster his line to get his job done. But again, you make a point, if they are this bad at identifying talent on the DL then maybe they need to rethink their strategy 

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Serious question, what are you gonna do if @GoBills808 isn't around to make cogent points for you?

[GunnerBill]

  On 3/24/2024 at 1:24 AM, mrags said:

lol. You’re funny. Last I checked

were on a message board not a debate 

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Good job. Cos you would be useless in a debate that requires more than feels.

[GoBills808]

  On 3/24/2024 at 1:26 AM, mrags said:

100% if a defensive guru (and that’s what many want to call him) is so good, then he shouldn’t need early pick after early pick. And free agent after free agent to bolster his line to get his job done. But again, you make a point, if they are this bad at identifying talent on the DL then maybe they need to rethink their strategy 

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😂😂👍That's all I wanted to say at first

 

But this idea that there's no talent on the defensive line was too tempting to ignore lol