Does Josh Allen still work as hard in the offseason?

[Ga boy]

3 hours ago, Bob Jones said:

You seem to be implying that JA never makes a bad throw, or never makes a bad decision on where to go with his throws, which is nonsense. He certainly has *some room* for improvements.

Agree.  Better WRs would help him improve too.

[muppy]

fans expect perfection. Unrealized hopes and expectations must have  a scapegoat. Let's pick our BEST player and drag him. @-@

 

Blame Josh Allen for not  working hard enough.  As if anyone here knows or sees what he does do off-season beyond what is shown on social media feeds.

 

You show me a perfect athlete and I'll show you a NFL cyborg. They don't exist.

 

 

Edited March 21 by muppy

[Buffalo_Stampede]

3 minutes ago, muppy said:

fans expect perfection. Unrealized hopes and expectations must have  a scapegoat. Let's pick our BEST player and drag him. @-@

 

Blame Josh Allen for not  working hard enough.  As if anyone here knows or sees what he does do off-season beyond what is shown on social media feeds.

 

You show me a perfect athlete and I'll show you a NFL cyborg. They don't exist.

 

 

I should’ve posted it in the original post. Allen said he’s changed the last couple offseasons to doing mostly nothing and getting into shape when he comes back. His own words. He believes this new process works well for him. 

[muppy]

3 hours ago, Low Positive said:

We all want something so badly, and to get it we depend on other people's work ethic and decisions. It's that frustration that drives threads like these.

100%

[Coldfronts]

16 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

They just won the Super Bowl last month.

 

 

This is all photo op staged BS.  Their shirts are in perfect just out of the wash condition with no sweat or sweat rings.  Not even a drop of sweat on their faces. Glam shots.

 

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, Success said:

 

I'll always disagree w/ the bolded.

 

That play was designed for the shot to Shakir, and he was open.  It's not undisciplined or even a mistake to throw to a wide open receiver in the endzone.

 

You may not get that again on that drive.  Defenses tighten up once you get into the red zone, and having an easy opportunity for a TD is never a guarantee.  Any good or great QB goes for Shakir there.

 

 

I think Kurt Warner did a dissection of that play where he would disagree with you there.  He's just in the HOF so I guess, what does he know?

 

I don't think it's a clear cut "undisciplined mistake that got him beat", either, though.  I think the decision is more nuanced.  And Josh's response to questions indicated that he saw his failure on the play as not getting "good pocket movement" in the pocket he had, to be able to set up and throw accurately to Shakir for a TD.

 

Kurt Warner has on multiple occasions acknowledged that Josh Allen can physically do things he couldn't do, so the decision making is different.  Warner (and Brady, TBH) made his bag and earned his gold jacket by being able to read defenses instantly and choose the throw with the greatest chance of success (this isn't the same as taking the throw with the highest completion percentage, which might not have the highest success percentage of getting the first down).  

 

Josh Allen can create a throw with a higher success probability by going "off schedule" and extending a play.  It's a blessing.  And he's steeped in that killer instinct: "Brett Favre said Touchdowns First, Coach!".

 

But it's also a curse.  Sometimes it's a better decision to take that crosser to Diggs for the first, move the chains, keep the ball, and gain more chances to score.  And Warner has openly said that he doesn't know how you coach or channel someone like Josh, who has those capabilities to create and extend that very few other QB have, into seeing the field differently and making different decisions.

 

The reason I can't get all "fluffed up" about whether Josh Allen is hitting the weight room and throwing with his receivers on March 4th and March 20th or April 1st or whenever, is because that's not where I see him as needing to take the biggest steps.  McDermott has said it: where Josh needs to improve, is in Decision Making.  And not just decision making in shorts and a red t-shirt, whether on a practice field or watching film: decision making in the heat of it on the field with 315 lb behemoths looking to flatten him like a buuuuug and his adrenaline kicked up 100x.  I don't know how you simulate that in practice.

 

I'm not sure that Jordan Palmer is the right guy to help Allen here.  It's not like his other notable QB pupils, like Sam Darnold, are lighting the world on fire with their brilliant field vision and decision making.  I do think Brian Daboll had the right combination of "carrots and sticks" to get into Allen's head and motivate him to watch film and push his decision making.  I think whatever approach Dorsey was trying as OC, which may have involved treating Allen like the tablet in his Miami Meltdown, kind of backfired.  But what approach Allen is taking in the off season, that's where he needs to go.

 

9 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I should’ve posted it in the original post. Allen said he’s changed the last couple offseasons to doing mostly nothing and getting into shape when he comes back. His own words. He believes this new process works well for him. 

 

He didn't say "training camp" though.  OTAs start mid to late April.

Edited March 21 by Beck Water

[Brand J]

7 minutes ago, muppy said:

fans expect perfection. Unrealized hopes and expectations must have  a scapegoat. Let's pick our BEST player and drag him. @-@

 

Blame Josh Allen for not  working hard enough.  As if anyone here knows or sees what he does do off-season beyond what is shown on social media feeds.

 

You show me a perfect athlete and I'll show you a NFL cyborg. They don't exist.

 

 

Tom Brady wasn't the most gifted athlete, but he’s probably the closest to perfection at the QB position the NFL has had. From his diet, to his training regiment, to his obsessive studying of film… even he made mistakes.
 

Mahomes has physical abilities that Brady never had, but isn’t as obsessed with his diet. Given that his average time to release the ball hovers closer to 3 seconds, he’s probably more like Josh when it comes to film study than Brady who almost always knew where he was going with the ball.
 

No athlete is perfect, or will ever be, but the question is “what is he doing during the offseason to chase perfection?” None of us here can definitively answer how Josh spends his time, but he’s told us his preferred approach. And it’s not an obsessive one, nor does it have to be for the Bills to beat KC in the playoffs and win a championship. They’ve gotta get better around him. 

[Ga boy]

40 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Sure.   Because the lasting image of Tom Brady in big games isn't taking what the defense gives him in crunch time.   It's not setting up game winning field goals or red zone TD's....... it's those deep TD passes to prevent defense's from tightening up on him in the red zone. 

 

How have Mahomes last two SB wins ended?   With a PI call and a short TD pass........both in deep in opponents territory.   Not with hoping to complete the longest air yards pass of the season to a particular receiver(as would have been the case with Shakir).  

 

You can disagree with it all you want but the play wasn't there to be had.    The coverage was good and the pressure from Jones should have told Allen to take the first down.   But he threw it anyway.

 

I love having Josh Allen as my QB.  And if he just provides tons of fun moments over the next 8-10 years that's fine with me.   I'm not a finish-line fan trying to get one SB win before I die.   This is entertainment.  Jim Kelly had greater flaws and I loved having him as QB too.   But if the question is if Josh Allen is doing everything he can to secure a SB win..........I know that answer has been no.  

Good points Bdb.  Who’s more like the Goat with prep, study, dedication, execution and situational decision making — Mahomey or JA17? 

[Prospector]

16 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

I mean, none of us knows exactly how hard Josh works in the off season, right?

 

Anyone here his neighbor on Dana Point?  Walk Jordan Palmer's dog?  Stake out the parking lot outside Chris Hess' business?  Got motion activated cameras on all the HS and college fields within reasonable driving distance?  

 

Don't forget to put some kind of high tech bit logger on his internet so you can tell if he's breaking down football film, or gaming.

 

So let me get this straight - you want to start with a topic where no one here knows ***** about how Josh works now vs. how he used to work.

 

Then you want to have us all wildly speculate, and call it a conversation?   That's it?  That's what's going on here?

 

 

 

 

Yes, but only if you talk about it with authority... you must be adamant in your convictions! 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Watch the bussin with the boys interview. It’s all right there. Starts about 1:06:45 in. He’s asked about how he prepares in the offseason. It goes on for a while as they talk other things in between.

 

 

For those too lazy, Josh talks about how he used to train like he was in OTAs year round. He said that given how he plays the QB position, he’s found given his body time to rest before actual OTAs start has worked for him. In his opinion, going into year 6, he believes the rest actually helps his body stay healthier. He still would work out and throw enough to maintain, and would keep his weight between 238-244. 
 

He said his strength coaches won’t be happy, but the last 2 years he did minimal prior to OTAs, and actually did better in the conditioning tests than when he was younger. 

Edited March 21 by TheyCallMeAndy

[H2o]

40 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Yeah there is this idea out there that the throw to Shakir was the first read so it was right to just hurl that no-chance worm burner into the end zone.   Whether Brady is to blame for dangling that nonsensical HR shot there or not doesn't take away from the reality that the throw wasn't open and the pressure prevented Allen from stepping into a throw.   That's when an elite QB has to be able to take the easy win.   

The one safety had his back to where Allen was throwing the ball and Shakir was walking into a wide open space crossing his face. The throw was open, wide open. If he has another half second to throw the ball, the score is 31-27 with under 2 minutes to play. 

 

 

 

[Success]

21 minutes ago, muppy said:

fans expect perfection. Unrealized hopes and expectations must have  a scapegoat. Let's pick our BEST player and drag him. @-@

 

Blame Josh Allen for not  working hard enough.  As if anyone here knows or sees what he does do off-season beyond what is shown on social media feeds.

 

You show me a perfect athlete and I'll show you a NFL cyborg. They don't exist.

 

 

 

Brady was pretty close to that.  I remember thinking that watching him at times.  A lot of these guys at the top are super-competitive, but Brady was obsessed.  There was a chip on his shoulder from being picked in the 6th round that stayed there no matter how many rings he got.

 

I don't see Mahomes or any other athlete that way.  There have been a lot of comments that Mahomes works harder, processes better, and is just generally better than Allen, but I don't see any significant gap between the 2.  Mahomes has better coaching, and has achieved more as a result.

 

[stevestojan]

If he worked on not playing soft zone defense while up by one score in the 4th quarter, he’d have one, and maybe two, rings. 
 

Watch the guy. WTF else could he work on? If McD and the defense didn’t reward him with steamy hot ***** sandwiches in the most crucial of times, there’s zero discussion of this. Instead it’s “oh cool to see the GOAT is also good at golf.” 
 

 

[H2o]

The throw to Diggs on the other hand was just 2-3 yards beyond the LOS. And Bolton was already crashing down because he saw him. Diggs either falls on his own around the 20 or Bolton lights him up around the 20. 

[Success]

1 minute ago, H2o said:

The throw to Diggs on the other hand was just 2-3 yards beyond the LOS. And Bolton was already crashing down because he saw him. Diggs either falls on his own around the 20 or Bolton lights him up around the 20. 

 

The microscopic dissection of that play has gone to absurd levels.

 

I had to tune out the national pundits after this game.  Throwing a 25 yard pass to a wide open guy in the endzone on 2nd down is not "hero ball."

 

[joemac1114]

17 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

No, all he does is have sex with Hollywood elite actresses, I thought everyone knew this…, 

That can be a pretty good aerobic  workout. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 minutes ago, joemac1114 said:

That can be a pretty good aerobic  workout. 

She’s in pretty good shape too. Definitely gets the old ticker ticking.

[BADOLBILZ]

3 minutes ago, H2o said:

The one safety had his back to where Allen was throwing the ball and Shakir was walking into a wide open space crossing his face. The throw was open, wide open. If he has another half second to throw the ball, the score is 31-27 with under 2 minutes to play. 

 

 

 

 

 

Cool picture........where's the ball?    

 

You see the ball needed to be hitting him about a step later.   Like a bang nine.   On the numbers or shoulder, dead in the middle of the end zone so he has time to decelerate and get his feet down.   That's not a back of the end zone route.    By the time Allen got the ball there the play was dead.    At this point in his career Allen needs that clock in his head to tell him when to move on.

[BADOLBILZ]

11 minutes ago, H2o said:

The throw to Diggs on the other hand was just 2-3 yards beyond the LOS. And Bolton was already crashing down because he saw him. Diggs either falls on his own around the 20 or Bolton lights him up around the 20. 

 

 

So Shakir 2 yards away and having to slow down is open while Diggs being pursued from 5 yards away is.........covered?     

 

What's the argument?   That *maybe* it's still 3rd and 3 instead of 1st and 10?   They had literally stayed in the game by playing that style of football all day.  

 

And as for the ASININE argument that Diggs might've dropped the ball.........Shakir might have dropped the ball then too.   Like I said, it was the longest air yards attempt to him all season and when he had the dropsies in 2022 it was on longer throws.

 

The level of excuse making for the Bills decision makers in that situation is just comical.   

 

 

[H2o]

33 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Cool picture........where's the ball?    

 

You see the ball needed to be hitting him about a step later.   Like a bang nine.   On the numbers or shoulder, dead in the middle of the end zone so he has time to decelerate and get his feet down.   That's not a back of the end zone route.    By the time Allen got the ball there the play was dead.    At this point in his career Allen needs that clock in his head to tell him when to move on.

Isn't it a cool picture? The ball hit the ground because he had to rush the throw due to the pressure, like I said before, and getting his plant leg clipped by Dawkins. Like Another half second and the score is 31-27 Bills with under 2 minutes to go because Allen rips a strike to a wide open Shakir in the end zone, also like I said before.